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ACLU seeking FBI files on activist probes
Monterey Herald ^ | 12/1/04 | Curt Andersen - AP

Posted on 12/01/2004 10:27:54 PM PST by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - The American Civil Liberties Union is seeking information from the FBI on why bureau task forces set up to combat terrorism also looked into anti-war, animal rights and environmental groups.

Dozens of organizations have been subjected to scrutiny, according to the ACLU, which was filing Freedom of Information Act requests with the FBI on Thursday to try to find out why.

"We think it's clear that the public is interested in the possible return of FBI spying on political and religious groups," said Ann Beeson, the ACLU's associate legal counsel.

The FBI denies singling out individuals or groups for surveillance or investigation based solely on activities protected by the Constitution's guarantees of free speech.

Officials say agents adhere strictly to Justice Department guidelines requiring evidence of criminal activity or indications that a person may know something about a crime.

"Any investigation conducted by the FBI is done under the attorney general's guidelines and in full compliance with the guidelines," FBI spokesman Bill Carter said.

There are terrorism task forces in 100 cities and with more than 3,700 members, including at least 2,000 FBI agents, state and local police, and other federal law enforcement officials. More than half of the task forces were formed after the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

The ACLU was seeking FBI files on a broad range of individuals and groups that have been interviewed, investigated or subjected to searches by the task forces. The requests also seek information on how the task forces are funded, to determine if they are rewarded with government money by labeling high numbers of cases as related to terrorism, Beeson said.

"What we're afraid is happening is that these cities and towns can get federal anti-terrorism money by identifying local groups as threats in their areas," Beeson said.

The ACLU provided a list of examples, including the Quaker-affiliated American Friends Service Committee that had been monitored by Denver police and was listed as an "active case" by a local terrorism task force.

Others who contend they were improperly monitored or investigated include Rocky Mountain Animal Defense, the Washington-based Campaign for Labor Rights and a number of peace and environmental activists.

The information requests were being filed with FBI headquarters in Washington as well as field offices in Colorado, Iowa, Illinois, Michigan, Oregon, New York, Virginia and Massachusetts, Beeson said. ACLU affiliates in California and New Jersey have previously filed lawsuits seeking similar information.

If the FBI declines to turn over the information, the ACLU can sue in federal court.

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American Civil Liberties Union: http://www.aclu.org

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1 posted on 12/01/2004 10:27:54 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Read David Horowitz' "Unholy Alliance." The leftists are terorists. The FBI will be on the ACLU PDQ.


2 posted on 12/01/2004 10:31:34 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: NormsRevenge

Gee, I dunno, could it have something to do with the fact that the so-called environmental movement is filled to the brim with the violent and with those who advocate violence, and support groups like the (for now) anonymous cowards of the ELF?


3 posted on 12/01/2004 10:33:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: NormsRevenge
What the FBI scrutinizing communist Islamofascist collaborators and traitors?
The Outrage. :>)
4 posted on 12/01/2004 10:34:48 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: NormsRevenge

Birds of a feather, etc.; to coin the common phrase.


5 posted on 12/01/2004 10:35:29 PM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: NormsRevenge
The American Civil Liberties Union is seeking information from the FBI on why bureau task forces set up to combat terrorism also looked into anti-war, animal rights and environmental groups.

For the same reason that Hillary's FBI did (and will) look into all components of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. They did it because they could.

6 posted on 12/01/2004 10:37:18 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: REDWOOD99

The ACLU is a front for a well-organized attack against all institutions of Western Civilization.

While it may claim that it has done much good in protecting the rights of the down trodden and the disadvantaged, it has not been so quick to claim credit for all the despicable acts and orgs it has also gone to bat for in the name of fairness and human and civil rights, and in so doing, sought to erode the foundations of the very same society it says it is seeking to preserve said freedoms of.


7 posted on 12/01/2004 10:38:04 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I think ACLU lawyers should be shipped off to Gitmo. Or to a secret base in Jordan, for that matter.


8 posted on 12/01/2004 10:40:08 PM PST by SteveMcKing
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To: NormsRevenge

The ACLU is going to cause a backlash akin to that of SF mayor Gavi Newsome's gay marriages.


9 posted on 12/01/2004 10:43:45 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: NormsRevenge
The American Civil Liberties Union is seeking information from the FBI on why bureau task forces set up to combat terrorism also looked into anti-war, animal rights and environmental groups.

Because animal rights and environmental groups include terrorists and there is no reason to suppose that the anti-war movement, made up of much the same wackoes, doesn't.

I don't remember such whining when Clinton's goons were investigating the pro-life movement...
10 posted on 12/01/2004 10:44:16 PM PST by swilhelm73 (Dowd wrote that Kerry was defeated by a "jihad" of Christians...Finally a jihad liberals oppose!)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Some of those groups have either planned to, or have committed, acts of violence which probably fit the definition of terrorism.

That said, FBI is notorious for politicizing its responsibilities and overstepping its bounds. I submit Ruby Ridge as Exhibit A.

Then, they howl when their hands get tied. They're not going to get it both ways.


11 posted on 12/01/2004 10:46:11 PM PST by fire_eye (Socialism is the opiate of academia.)
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To: NormsRevenge

The ACLU should be probed with a hot poker..


12 posted on 12/01/2004 10:54:45 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: NormsRevenge

If a group of domestic "eco-terrorists" were planning to spike trees, I would want my law enforcement forces to infiltrate, investigate, and prosecute them.

If a suspect group was planning civil disobedience, it would help law enforcement to know the nature and extent of such activities.

Similarly, if an international operation was planning terror, the same would apply.

We have plenty of laws and restrictions on law enforcement, and I don't want their hands tied up in knots, as has been the case going back to Sen. Frank Church.


13 posted on 12/01/2004 11:05:46 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: NormsRevenge

I hope the Feds looked into the ACLU while they were at it.


14 posted on 12/01/2004 11:18:36 PM PST by Fedora
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To: NormsRevenge

98% of these "groups" are commie fronts. (Including the ACLU!) Clear?


15 posted on 12/02/2004 12:44:26 AM PST by Waco
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To: NormsRevenge

That's how it should be.

How else can be prosecute the terrorist in our midst.

This nut heads then will complain that the government did not do enough.


16 posted on 12/02/2004 12:48:00 AM PST by El Oviedo
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To: NormsRevenge
It's an outrage that US laws, apparently passed during the Watergate era, allows the ACLU to collect attorney's fees for makework----Christian-hatng lawsuits it itself launches.

That means "values voters" have been footing the bill for the ACLU's launching a juggernaut to remove Ten Commandments images, Christmas creches and Christmas carols, taking God out of the Pledge of Allegiance, and because they claim they have a civil right not to see the Ten Commandments, a civil right not to hear the word “God” in the Pledge of Allegiance, not to see a creche of the Baby Jesus, not to hear Christmas carols. The ACLU has collected a huge amount of our tax dollars in this left-handed fundraiser for the ACLU.

FReepers can silence the ACLU with a bit of activism. We need to insist our Congressmen repeal this abusive law that allows the ACLU to get rich on harassing Christian America. Congress must repeal laws enabling the ACLU's Christian-hating activities. Cut off the ACLU's funds and watch them disappear. Here's what we can do.

The IRS should determine whether the ACLU is properly accounting for all its tax-funded activities, whether it is inflating legal costs, and whether it is using tax dollars for the purposes stated. We need to know whether the ACLU is engaged in Enron-style accounting and spending practices.

REFERENCE SOURCE FOR ARGUING REPEAL TO CONGRESS

Apparently, when Congress contemplated the fee-shifting bill three decades ago, it never conceived that 42 U.S.C. §1988 would be used to secure fees in esoteric battles over the meaning of the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

The statute gives a court "discretion" to award attorneys' fees to the prevailing party in civil rights cases.

Study of the legislative history of the statute reveals that Congress intended this statute to apply to civil rights abuses, including certain race and sex discrimination cases, but not to arguments about whether Judge Roy Moore is allowed to display the Ten Commandments in the Alabama courthouse.

During the deliberations on the bill, the Senate penned that "in many cases arising under our civil rights laws, the citizen who must sue to enforce the law has little or no money with which to hire a lawyer."[6] In the recent First Amendment lawsuits filed by the ACLU, the tables are turned.

Small school districts and municipalities can either defend lawsuits and risk paying the ACLU's attorneys' fees if they lose, or they can voluntarily submit to the ACLU's view of the Constitution.

Even if lawsuits over the establishment clause somehow fall within 42 U.S.C. §1988, the statute empowers courts with nothing more than "discretion" to award fees.

In these cases, one would expect courts to withhold awarding fees. Since this is not happening, Congress must take immediate action to clarify 42 U.S.C. §1988 to explicitly exclude lawsuits related to the acknowledgement of God.

17 posted on 12/02/2004 12:48:52 AM PST by Liz
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To: NormsRevenge
Just a guess on my part

But IF the FBI is doing this .. could it be that these clients of the ACLU have terrorist ties and funding????

You know .. the terrorists that want to destroy America

18 posted on 12/02/2004 12:55:51 AM PST by Mo1 (Should be called Oil for Fraud and not Oil for Food)
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To: NormsRevenge
The American Civil Liberties Union is seeking information from the FBI on why bureau task forces set up to combat terrorism also looked into anti-war, animal rights and environmental groups.

Well for starters, spiking trees, torching SUVs, consorting with supporters of suicide bombers in Israel, trashing immigration offices, vandalizing banks...

19 posted on 12/02/2004 2:28:50 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
"We think it's clear that the public is interested in the possible return of FBI spying on political and religious groups," said Ann Beeson, the ACLU's associate legal counsel.
The "political groups" are anarchist-socialist types who have avowed that they will eventually overthrow our constitutional form of government (and parade with banners that say "I support our troops when they shoot their officers").

The "religious groups" that the ACLU refers to are muslims (the ACLU has scarcely met a Christian group they EVER liked). The ACLU needs to fess up that there ARE mosques operating in America that sponsor, recruit, and train terrorists.

20 posted on 12/02/2004 2:35:38 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: Mo1

The ACLU wants to destroy America. This is why they defend these groups from FBI investigation.


21 posted on 12/02/2004 2:36:32 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Leftist fishing expedition.


22 posted on 12/02/2004 2:36:54 AM PST by Beckwith (John Kerry is now a kept man . . .)
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To: NormsRevenge
Keyword ACLUMIA
23 posted on 12/02/2004 2:41:31 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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