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The Arab Mind ^ | 1983 | Raphael Patai

Posted on 12/01/2004 10:51:40 PM PST by aphrodite74

I am now reading 'The Arab Mind' a book by Raphael Patai. It was published in 1983. The author gives an unvarnished look at norms in Arab culture. I am learning SO much that I wanted to share it with more FREEPERS. Its an essential topic for us to know about given current events in our post-911 times. If anyone knows of more books on this or related topics, please share! Is there a recommended books list for FREEPERS anywhere on this site?


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Details about THE ARAB MIND

Publishers Weekly [A]n impressive spread of scholarship...a major contribution in an important field.

About the Author Raphael Patai was the author of over 600 articles and more than twenty books. A native of Hungary, he taught at Princeton, Columbia, and the University of Pennsylvania. A prolific cultural anthropologist, Dr. Patai died in 1996.

Product Description: The classic study of Arab culture and society is now more relevant than ever. Since its original publication in 1983, the revised edition of Raphael Patai's The Arab Mind has been recognized as one of the seminal works in the field of Middle Eastern studies. This penetrating analysis unlocks the mysteries of Arab society to help us better understand a complex, proud and ancient culture. The Arab Mind discusses the upbringing of a typical Arab boy or girl, the intense concern with honor and courage, the Arabs' tendency toward extremes of behavior, and their ambivalent attitudes toward the West. Chapters are devoted to the influence of Islam, sexual mores, Arab language and Arab art, Bedouin values, Arab nationalism, and the pervasive influence of Westernization. With a new foreword by Norvell B. DeAtkine, Director of Middle East Studies at the JFK Special Warfare Center and School, Fort Bragg, N.C., this book unravels the complexities of Arab traditions and provides authentic revelations of Arab mind and character.

1 posted on 12/01/2004 10:51:40 PM PST by aphrodite74
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To: aphrodite74

"Is there a recommended books list for FREEPERS anywhere on this site?"

Not that I know of, but that's a great idea. Especially with Christmas coming up. Maybe someone will do a vanity gift suggestion thread. An on-going one for books would be great! Mini-reviews and all.


2 posted on 12/01/2004 10:54:11 PM PST by jocon307 (Jihad is world wide. Jihad is serious business. We ignore global jihad at our peril.)
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To: aphrodite74

Soldiers in OIF remarked at how a father could calmly pick up the mangled body of his child and walk home.
The soldiers were told by their interpreter that Arabs do not mourn the way Westerners do, having something to do with and unshakeable faith in the afterlife. Also explains why Muslims are so eager to fight to the death.


3 posted on 12/01/2004 10:56:47 PM PST by kiwi_hawk (Religion of Peace)
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To: aphrodite74
A friend of mine has that book and is insisting i read it.

( And i will, too. when I get a moment! )

He's an old SF Vet, and his specialty was terrorists.
4 posted on 12/01/2004 10:58:37 PM PST by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: aphrodite74

Well don't believe everything you read in it.
Here is a review:
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2004/05/30/misreading_the_arab_mind?mode=PF


5 posted on 12/01/2004 10:58:55 PM PST by konaice
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To: aphrodite74

I read an old book (published in the 1930's or so) titled "The Gentle Infidel".

It's an account of a family's experiences during the expansion of the Ottoman Empire, focussed on the fall of Constantinople.

The thing that struck me about this book is how little has changed in the muslim world, and our understanding of it since the book was written, or even from the time of the Ottomans.

It's another book for the list, if ever it gets compiled.


6 posted on 12/01/2004 11:02:34 PM PST by Don W (You can tell a lot about a person by how they treat someone that can't help them.)
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To: kiwi_hawk
Soldiers in OIF remarked at how a father could calmly pick up the mangled body of his child and walk home.

I have yet to understand how Palestinian parents could send their children out to bomb a few miles away while they stayed home. If I felt so strongly about a situation, I would have given my own life before sending my child a few miles away to kill for me, and then collect Saddam's check afterwards.

The soldiers were told by their interpreter that Arabs do not mourn the way Westerners do, having something to do with and unshakeable faith in the afterlife. Also explains why Muslims are so eager to fight to the death.

For starters, Arabic armies can't and don't fight. Even with state-of-the-art equipment, they bail out and run. And what kind of a god cheers when school children on buses, babies in strollers, etc., rejoices because some brain-dead follower thinks that a one-way ticket to allah's whorehouse in the sky? And just look at a description of their 'Paradise' if you think 'whorehous' is too strong a term.

And why do any female Muslims blow themselves up, because their status in paradise is highly questionable?

7 posted on 12/01/2004 11:10:00 PM PST by xJones
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To: aphrodite74
I read the book a few years ago, and it is a very good introduction to how Arabic culture is different from Western culture...

However, it's worth noting that Dr. Patai throws every Arab into one large cultural bucket (he notes this early, but it's easy to forgot through the course of the book). As such, it's not the "be all, end all" book on Arabs.

(While I'm on the subject, Dr. Patai's other book: "The Jewish Mind" is not a good book. It may contain a lot of information, but it's as boring as "The Arab Mind" is interesting.)

8 posted on 12/01/2004 11:14:07 PM PST by jz638
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To: konaice
"Well don't believe everything you read in it.
Here is a review:"

Don't believe every review you read,particularly when they quote "multicultural" academics.
9 posted on 12/01/2004 11:20:38 PM PST by Reaganez
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To: konaice
Rather than plumbing some mythical "Arab mind," we should affirm the shared humanity that transcends our differences and binds us all together.

Someone's bu!!$hi++ing, Lord, kum-bay-ya...

10 posted on 12/01/2004 11:25:45 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: aphrodite74
The Arab Mind ~ Now there's an oxymoron. No, No, not Nazi moron. I said, "oxymoron."
11 posted on 12/01/2004 11:34:36 PM PST by FredZarguna (Free markets. Free Speech. Free Minds. But no Free Lunch.)
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To: aphrodite74

There is a book titled "Arabs at War" which I think explains Arab military incompetence from a cultural perspective.


12 posted on 12/01/2004 11:44:55 PM PST by Constantine XI Palaeologus (visit www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: Reaganez

Look, just google up that book and you will find
that its completely discredited.

Arabs are bad enough, but the stuff in this book
just goes over the line. Its been out there fore
years, and has been universally debunked.


13 posted on 12/01/2004 11:55:28 PM PST by konaice
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To: aphrodite74

This book has often been recommended at Free Republic. "The Haj" by Leon Uris is also good to understand the Arab mind.


14 posted on 12/02/2004 12:00:40 AM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations)
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To: Constantine XI Palaeologus
There is a book titled "Arabs at War" which I think explains Arab military incompetence from a cultural perspective.

No, it explains arab performance based on how they run their army, with very little cultural emphasys, other than the total distrust by higher ranks of any underlings having any power. http://www.strategypage.com/bookreviews/196.asp

Pollack finds a number of problems that have consistently bedeviled the Arabs in every war they have fought in modern times. These are tactical leadership, information management, weapon handling, and logistics and maintenance.

Googleing around abit will find virtually the whole book on line.

15 posted on 12/02/2004 12:01:14 AM PST by konaice
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To: konaice

A review by the BoGlo?

Why not the NYT, or LA times, as well? :^)


16 posted on 12/02/2004 12:01:57 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: xJones
I have yet to understand how Palestinian parents could send their children out to bomb a few miles away while they stayed home. If I felt so strongly about a situation, I would have given my own life before sending my child a few miles away to kill for me, and then collect Saddam's check afterwards.

In that kind of environment (which is their own damn fault), one does not expect their children to survive to adulthood.

Same in almost any war torn land. If they really had any idea of a future for their children, they would get the hell out of there - even if it meant sneaking across the border to Egypt. But all they know is hatered, and the death of a child just feeds the hatred, and the hatred just causes the death of more children.

17 posted on 12/02/2004 12:05:49 AM PST by konaice
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To: konaice
other than the total distrust by higher ranks of any underlings having any power

Other than? Other than??

That has to be job one, and is the recipe for building a group of fellows sharing common dress and then pretending that this group is an army.

however I'm now intrigued, and I'll have to read it.
18 posted on 12/02/2004 12:10:00 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: bill1952

I've read it, and it is a GREAT book. Disregard the static from those who claim "stereotyping," etc. Of COURSE there can't be a description that applies to every single person in a culture. But there CAN be, and are, descriptions that accurately apply to large majorities or supermajorities. This book is one of those.


19 posted on 12/02/2004 12:37:20 AM PST by ReadyNow
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To: aphrodite74; All
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20 posted on 12/02/2004 12:42:21 AM PST by backhoe
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To: aphrodite74; Arjun
If you guys want to know about the Muslime mind -- go to the site http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/ -- it is incredibly well-researched.

Aso, I would warn against the generalisations in the book you recommend -- Arabs are not all one kind -- in fact your true ARabs would be found only in the Saudi, Kuwaiti and Jordan regions. Yemenis are different na dhave a longer history as civilised people (part of the Kingdom of Sheba and also part of various Ethiopian Empires), Lebanon and Syria are strongly Phoenician, Algeria and Morocco have a substantial Berber population and Iran is not Arab. So, you have a number of Arabs who are Christians (as in Palestine, Egypt, Syria, Iraq) and a number of muslimes who are not Arab.
21 posted on 12/02/2004 12:50:49 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: backhoe

Thanks for the link!
Just added it to my favorites!


22 posted on 12/02/2004 12:52:28 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: jz638
"The Jewish Mind" is not a good book. It may contain a lot of information, but it's as boring as "The Arab Mind" is interesting.)

Thanks. I thought it was just me. (There were a few interesting parts IIRC.)

23 posted on 12/02/2004 12:56:23 AM PST by wideminded
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To: Cronos
Wait a minute.
I hear this all of the time.

Arab, schmarab. I understand that most people use the term "Arab" interchangeably with Muslim, but making a point about the historical & cultural differences between different groups of peoples involved within the Islamic religion begs the real point; that despite their differences, they mostly all believe the same damn thing, and they act on it.

Anyone knows that Iran is Persian, and nobody's gives a flea-bite of concern as to whether it is a Persian muslim, a Pakistani muslim, or for that matter, a french muslim, that gives a terrorist group the bomb, or acts in a concerted and violent way against the US.

For that matter, I don't care one whit if they are followers of Fatima or not, I.e, Sunni vs Shiite.

I'll check your link, though. :)
24 posted on 12/02/2004 1:05:20 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: bill1952

Thanks for looking.


25 posted on 12/02/2004 1:20:39 AM PST by backhoe (-30-)
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To: bill1952; backhoe

That's my point -- the issue isISlam. I don't give a rat's behind about the ethnicity and seemingly, neither do you.


26 posted on 12/02/2004 2:00:25 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: aphrodite74

I'd love it if we had a book section on FR. When I read a book that has important information, I try to type notes in my Word file for reference.


27 posted on 12/02/2004 2:08:55 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed)
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To: xJones
And why do any female Muslims blow themselves up, because their status in paradise is highly questionable?

Islam is a works based religion. At judgment your deeds and misdeeds are placed on a scale. Whichever is greater determines where you spend eternity.

To the Muslim (with some exceptions) dying in a spiritual battle (jihad) tilts the scale in your favor.

Unlike Christianity, there is no grace.

28 posted on 12/02/2004 2:15:08 AM PST by Gamecock (I'm Good Enough, I'm Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like Me)
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To: konaice
I read Patai's The Arab Mind, having earlier read Lawrence's Seven Pillars of Wisdom, Lewis' What Went Wrong, some of Ba'at Yeor's work on Dhimmitude, the Koran and a couple of dozen other works on the Middle East going back to Sir Richard Francis Burton's travels. I thought the book was spot on, though clearly written from a western perspective.

To an extent, you can judge a book by its enemies, and the people who really hate Patai's work are the lefty Edward Said types who glorify the Palestinians and long for a return of Arab power. Of course they won't like it: Why Patai is even a jew! Imagine, a son of monkeys having the temerity to write about the glorious Arab mind! Why, he barely has a mind, how can he understand the greatest civilization man has ever known? < /sarcasm>.

29 posted on 12/02/2004 3:21:54 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: aphrodite74
I'm about halfway through this at the moment, it's quite good:

The Closed Circle: An Interpretation of the Arabs
by David Pryce-Jones

From Publishers Weekly
Following the end of colonial rule in the Middle East, the newly independent Arab nations did not become progressive and free: they are despotic; most persecute religious or ethnic minorities; all oppress women; none has participatory institutions. In a scathing and provocative critique, Pryce-Jones ( Paris in the Third Reich ; Cyril Connolly ) blames these dismal conditions on what he sees as a Muslim reversion to tribal and kinship structures as well as slavish obedience to complex codes of honor and shame that prevent concepts such as open debate, democracy and accountability from taking root. With Islamocentric shortsightedness, Arabs understood Nazism in terms of German revenge for humiliation suffered in World War I. Arab leaders admired both Hitler and Lenin as careerist conspirators who made good. Pryce-Jones sees the same tribal, king-of-the-hill mentality at work today in the Palestine Liberation Organization, a careerist group built around a few audacious personalities who arrogated the right to speak for a whole people.

30 posted on 12/02/2004 3:31:33 AM PST by angkor
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To: Gamecock

How do they make intelligent people (if they are) believe in all this bunk???????????????


31 posted on 12/02/2004 4:07:54 AM PST by DooDahhhh
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To: konaice
"In that kind of environment (which is their own damn fault), one does not expect their children to survive to adulthood."

They have the same fatalistic attitude that the ultra religious of any religion have. The belief that their fate rests with God and only God, coupled with the fact that they look forward to dying as a martyr for their religion, means that they don't take ordinary precautions most westerners take for granted.

When they shoot into the air at funerals, if someone dies from the falling bullets, they don't blame the shooters, they shrug and think his time was up and his death was inevitable. Their willingness to die and carelessness makes them more likely to die.

As a survival strategy, I wouldn't consider it the best, but they are reproducing faster than they are dying so far, so I guess it isn't hurting them.

It is working much better than the western strategy of not reproducing very much but regulating safety upon peoples lifestyles in order to extend individual lives.
32 posted on 12/02/2004 7:15:48 AM PST by monday
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To: xJones

"For starters, Arabic armies can't and don't fight. Even with state-of-the-art equipment, they bail out and run"

I know what you mean although quotes from soldiers in the battle for Fallujah remarked that " we have killed all the dumb ones that stood and fought and the smart ones are staying hidden and or snipe at us."
So the fanatical fighters can not be called cowards only because they are looking forward to death from the belief of a waiting paradise stocked with underage virginal boys and girls. I personally can't wait for them to get there. I believe Arabs on the whole who are not convinced about the whole Martyr business are prone towards cowardice in battle ( as seen in the Iraqi security forces) because they are brought up to follow instead of lead and subsequently panic easily.


33 posted on 12/02/2004 9:21:05 PM PST by kiwi_hawk (Religion of Peace)
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