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There Is NO Man-Made Global Warming
CNSNews ^ | 12/02/04 | Tom DeWeese

Posted on 12/02/2004 10:33:15 AM PST by Marine_Uncle

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This is a general article that contains arguments found elsewhere for the past few years. Please draw your on conclusions as to the "honesty level" on this issue. I am sure we shall continue to see much said on this subject.
1 posted on 12/02/2004 10:33:15 AM PST by Marine_Uncle
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To: Marine_Uncle

Its all true. All anyone has to do is watch "The day after tomorrow" to know whats coming. Were all doomed. Yeah right!


2 posted on 12/02/2004 10:55:51 AM PST by wingsof liberty (Marines - the few, the proud, the best!!)
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To: Marine_Uncle

I'm sure we have some level of impact on the environment, I just think it's far from what the enviro-freaks would like us all to believe.


3 posted on 12/02/2004 10:56:24 AM PST by kx9088
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To: Marine_Uncle
1. "[N]one of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can attribute the observed climate changes to increases in greenhouse gases." 2. "[N]o study to date has positively attributed all or part of the climate change to ... man-made causes." While I do not agree with the gloom and doomsayers regarding anthropogenic warming trends these statements seem particularily inappropriate to prove the point of the article. It is nearly impossible to 'positively' attribute global warming to man-made cause/greenhouse gases. There are just to many factors involved further reiterated by the author pointing out the weaknesses in our models. While we not be able to attribute a direct correlation between warming trends and our activities, the indirect effects are immeasurable. The synergistic effect goes unnoticed. It's is impossible to attribute a causal relationship when multiple variables like this are involved in an open system. I think, both the people who think we are killing the planet and those that think we are doing no harm, are both missing the boat. Right now the burden of proof is on the scientists and we currently cannot cannot prove we are contributing to the warming trend, though that does not mean we aren't. Regardles of the hype we still need to carefully look at our activities and eliminate unnecessary potential factors.
4 posted on 12/02/2004 10:56:27 AM PST by GreenFreeper
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To: GreenFreeper

"Regardles of the hype we still need to carefully look at our activities and eliminate unnecessary potential factors."

Such as?

Even though you say you 'think' there may be human activities that 'could' influence our climate, you also admit that there isn't any real 'proof' of this.

Speculation is exactly what these 'scientist' base their 'assumptions' on.

So. The question remains.




5 posted on 12/02/2004 11:01:12 AM PST by Bigh4u2
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To: GreenFreeper; freestyle; Jaysun; Outland

ping!


6 posted on 12/02/2004 11:01:55 AM PST by GreenFreeper
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To: Marine_Uncle
I am a trained engineer. I have read much on Global Warming. Part of being an engineer is developing computer models. I agree with the author 100% Global Warming is NOT caused by humans. These fools who parade these computer models are trying to do great damage to our Republic. I pray Bush announces Kyoto is based on Junk science. I pray he tells the world to shove Kyoto where the sun doesn't shine. McCain is an absolute IDIOT for evening hinting any support for Kyoto or this Global Warming scare. It is amazing that it has gotten this far. Kyoto is a direct assault on capitalism and the US. It is push by evil people. Bush would be wise to take an radical anti-Kyoto stand. The world would be better for it.
7 posted on 12/02/2004 11:03:57 AM PST by liberty2004
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To: biblewonk; RightWhale; farmfriend

ping


8 posted on 12/02/2004 11:04:10 AM PST by Willie Green
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To: Marine_Uncle

Since the late 19th century (certainly the mid-1800's), the northern hemisphere has gotten warmer. The Thames used to freeze solid. Snow would get dozens of feet deep regularly in some places.

This warming trend is a result of finally breaking out fo the Little Ice Age.


9 posted on 12/02/2004 11:06:22 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: GreenFreeper
Regardles of the hype we still need to carefully look at our activities and eliminate unnecessary potential factors.

The only factors the politicos see is capitalism and the US economy. There is NOTHING man can do to alter in any meaningful way, what mother nature will. If this enviro-freaks really cared about the environment they would be rapidly promoting capitalism and property rights to species in the oceans and elsewhere. They enviro nuts only care about one thing -- destroying capitalism.

10 posted on 12/02/2004 11:08:44 AM PST by liberty2004
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To: Marine_Uncle
I am sure we shall continue to see much said on this subject.

Yes, but nothing new, as with all political issues.

11 posted on 12/02/2004 11:09:41 AM PST by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: Bigh4u2

yes the question does remain.

NOx, SOx, other VOCs, Carbon dioxide, methane, particulate matter (especially black carbon or soot), fluorinated compounds, and ozone to name a few. Not saying they need to be eliminated but at least used cautiously. Personally I believe the particlate matter to be the biggest issue.

A good scientist doesn't speculate or publish assumptions. It is largely the media and activist groups that have interpreted the results of research to suit their agenda. Your correct we don't have an answer to the question but I still think its rather ignorant to rule out the damage we may be doing. Much like any debate, you cannot prove something does not exist by failing to prove that it does.


12 posted on 12/02/2004 11:12:33 AM PST by GreenFreeper
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To: GreenFreeper

"While I do not agree with the gloom and doomsayers regarding anthropogenic warming trends these statements seem particularily inappropriate to prove the point of the article."

I think the point of the article is that any actions to restrict human activity to "curb" glbal warming, especially dire actions, are unwarranted.

"It is nearly impossible to 'positively' attribute global warming to man-made cause/greenhouse gases. There are just to many factors involved further reiterated by the author pointing out the weaknesses in our models."

That's what THEY said.

"While we not be able to attribute a direct correlation between warming trends and our activities, the indirect effects are immeasurable."

It is irresponsible to advocate taking action to curtail that which is "immeasurable".


"The synergistic effect goes unnoticed."

Synergistic effect? Where I went to engineering school, they taught us that "synergy" was pretty much like alchemy. In real science, you get out what you put in, period.

"It's is impossible to attribute a causal relationship when multiple variables like this are involved in an open system."

Again, without causation, there's no basis for action.


"I think, both the people who think we are killing the planet and those that think we are doing no harm, are both missing the boat. Right now the burden of proof is on the scientists and we currently cannot cannot prove we are contributing to the warming trend, though that does not mean we aren't. Regardles of the hype we still need to carefully look at our activities and eliminate unnecessary potential factors."

I cannot prove you are breaking into my house at night and hassling my pets, though that doesn't mean you aren't. Does that give me carte blanche to come over to your house and shoot you to "eliminate unnecessary potential factors"? I think not.

It doesn't make any sense to wreck our surroundings for no reason whatsoever, any more than it makes sense to take unnecessary measures in a misguided effort to "save" something that doesn't need saving. There is no current, scientifically credible evidence to establish that human activity has any significant impact on global climate. The only motivation to believe "global warming" at this stage is either to grab political power or to make ourselves feel better.


13 posted on 12/02/2004 11:15:08 AM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("If you accumulate enough layers of superficiality, that's pretty much the same as having depth")
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To: liberty2004

>"I agree with the author 100% Global Warming is NOT caused by humans."

Ditto, I'd have to agree with you also.


14 posted on 12/02/2004 11:19:17 AM PST by Brian328i
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To: GreenFreeper

"Your correct we don't have an answer to the question but I still think its rather ignorant to rule out the damage we may be doing. "

And there you go again.

'Rule out the damage we MAY be doing'.

You make this statement based on what?

"We might be causing problems, even tho there is no proof, so we should be careful."

I might have chicken for lunch, but, then again, I might not!

You can't base your assumptions on a possible 'negative' influence that has yet to be proved!


15 posted on 12/02/2004 11:19:50 AM PST by Bigh4u2
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To: orionblamblam
There's interesting evidence for the sun being linked to the Little Ice Age: there were no sunspots for 70 years in the 17th century (the Maunder Minimum). The sun puts out more energy when it has more sunspots.

The climate is changing, though, regardless of the cause. Temperatures at high latitudes have increased by several degrees; glaciers world-wide are in retreat. Glacier National Park is going to be poorly-named in several decades if this continues. Mt. Kilimanjaro is losing its glacier as well: by 2020 if trends continue, it will be gone. This glacier is 12,000 years old. (However, a drop in precipitation rather than an increase in temperature seems to be the reason for this.)

16 posted on 12/02/2004 11:21:02 AM PST by megatherium
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To: liberty2004

Agreed.

'Global warming' is an agenda.


17 posted on 12/02/2004 11:23:40 AM PST by BluSky (Liberalism - destroying the world, one failure at a time.)
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To: Marine_Uncle
Overall a decent article. But this line is terrible:

A little research into modern-day temperature trends bears this out. For example, in 1936, the Midwest of the United States experienced 49 consecutive days of temperatures over 90 degrees. There were another 49 consecutive days in 1955. But in 1992, there was only one day over 90 degrees and, in 1997, only five days."

It just proves that 100 years of data (in some cases less) is not sufficient to show a trend in 4.5 billion years of earth's climate history.

18 posted on 12/02/2004 11:27:50 AM PST by Oblongata
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
I don't know why everyone likes to pick at me when I am essentially agreeing with most of you. When did I ever say we need to take radical steps to change our ways based on something we cannot prove? I haven't. That's what THEY said. I know thats what they said and I was agreeing with them however being unable to prove something does not mean it doesn't exist. Synergistic effect? Where I went to engineering school, they taught us that "synergy" was pretty much like alchemy. In real science, you get out what you put in, period. well in engineering and laboratory science your working in a controled system in ideal situations. The fact is we have multiple compunds coming into the system from multiple sources, and their synergistic effect is relatively unknown. Does that give me carte blanche to come over to your house and shoot you to "eliminate unnecessary potential factors"? I think not. it seems a big part of the arguements come from a capitalist perspective. Isn't one of the goals of capitalism (though often indirect) efficiency? All I am saying is that we should strive to do things in the most efficent manner possible. After all the vast majority of these compounds are byproducts. Why not strive to reduce the wanton discharge of such compounds?
19 posted on 12/02/2004 11:27:57 AM PST by GreenFreeper
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To: Oblongata

"It just proves that 100 years of data (in some cases less) is not sufficient to show a trend in 4.5 billion years of earth's climate history."

I think that is what the author was trying to point out.

But, I could be wrong!



20 posted on 12/02/2004 11:31:55 AM PST by Bigh4u2
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To: megatherium
"Mt. Kilimanjaro is losing its glacier as well: by 2020 if trends continue, it will be gone. This glacier is 12,000 years old. (However, a drop in precipitation rather than an increase in temperature seems to be the reason for this.)"

Kilimanjaro is a volcano that is beleived to be about one million years old. That means the current glacier covered Kilimanjaro for 12,000 years, or about 0.012% of its lifetime. Kilimanjaro has been without a glacier before, and chances are it will be without a glacier again.

21 posted on 12/02/2004 11:33:31 AM PST by Oblongata
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To: GreenFreeper

"I don't know why everyone likes to pick at me when I am essentially agreeing with most of you."

Not picking at you, just your arguments. You agree that there's no science to support action, yet you advocate action. That's a logical inconsistency, which doesn't sit well.

"When did I ever say we need to take radical steps to change our ways based on something we cannot prove? I haven't."

Not to start a "who struck John first", but I didn't say anything about "radical steps", either.


"The fact is we have multiple compunds coming into the system from multiple sources, and their synergistic effect is relatively unknown."

No no no no no no no. There is no such thing as a "synergistic" effect. If what you mean is that there may be unpredictable reactions in certain combinations of compounds, fine. If you suspect such a combination contributes to climate change, toss it out there and test it. Basing action on the mere possibility of the existence of such an effect is silly.

" it seems a big part of the arguements come from a capitalist perspective. Isn't one of the goals of capitalism (though often indirect) efficiency? All I am saying is that we should strive to do things in the most efficent manner possible. After all the vast majority of these compounds are byproducts. Why not strive to reduce the wanton discharge of such compounds?"

Efficiency is not a goal of capitalism unless efficiency is economically desirable. We can design an internal combustion-powered automobile that attains in excess of 100 MPG. It would unquestionably be the most "efficient" vehicle on the market. However, the cost of manufacture, safety, and comfort of such a vehicle make it economically undesirable. The reduction of the "byproducts" you reference costs money. If I gain little or no demonstrable economic or environmental benefit from such reduction, what is the incentive to spend the money?


22 posted on 12/02/2004 11:45:28 AM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("If you accumulate enough layers of superficiality, that's pretty much the same as having depth")
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To: Marine_Uncle

Atlas Shrugged.


23 posted on 12/02/2004 11:50:09 AM PST by IncredibleHulk (Courage is the Price that Life extracts for granting Peace. ľAnne Morrow Lindberg)
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To: megatherium

I was talking to a person about how much my family enjoys Glacier National Park, and she expressed how much she was alarmed that the glaciers are melting, and how we have to do something about it RIGHT NOW! She absolutely would not believe me when I pointed out that they've been melting for over 10,000 years. You can't argue with people who refuse to recognize facts.


24 posted on 12/02/2004 11:51:20 AM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("If you accumulate enough layers of superficiality, that's pretty much the same as having depth")
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
You agree that there's no science to support action, yet you advocate action Im not advocating action, I'm advocating responsibility. If you suspect such a combination contributes to climate change, toss it out there and test it. well its not an easy thing to test as this would be impossible to properly conduct in the lab and not technologically feasible in the 'field'. Efficiency is not a goal of capitalism unless efficiency is economically desirable I think you misinterpreted my use of the term efficiency. I think of efficiency as maximizing the ratio of output to input. This term is all inclusive; Maximum profit:investment, maximum useful product:material input; etc. I do not see where you conclude that the reduction in byproducts cost money. Byproducts are often times profitable. Take sludge byproduct that is extracted from wastewater treatment plants that is sold for use as fertilizer. That has been extremely profitable. Rather than dumping it in a landfill we are putting it to use. That is maximum efficiency. Byproducts are wasteful and costly no matter how you look at it.
25 posted on 12/02/2004 11:58:39 AM PST by GreenFreeper
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To: Marine_Uncle
All you have to do is look at the climate records obtained by whatever means for the last 10,000 to 400,000 years, marvel at its complexity and variability and dare any statistitian, mathematician or climatologist to infer the next 50 years worth of climate.

The Kyoto protocol and every other chicken little proposal is 100% politically driven. It makes no more sense to assert that people affect world climate in any significant way than to say people affect tectonic movements and volcanc activity, or sunspots.

26 posted on 12/02/2004 11:59:06 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: GreenFreeper
correction: Unused byproducts are wasteful and costly no matter how you look at it
27 posted on 12/02/2004 12:00:46 PM PST by GreenFreeper
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To: Oblongata
It just proves that 100 years of data (in some cases less) is not sufficient to show a trend in 4.5 billion years of earth's climate history.

By my estimate, there are around 146,099,000 days in 400,000 years so... sure, we can make life miserable for 6 billion people based on one hot summer or two.
Makes sense to me!
< /sarcasm >

Now, if I wanted to be one of those ponderous scientific people, and "let on" to prove what had occurred in the remote past by what had occurred in a given time in the recent past, or what will occur in the far future by what has occurred in late years, what an opportunity is here! Geology never had such a chance, nor such exact data to argue from! Nor "development of species," either! Glacial epochs are great things, but they are vague--vague. Please observe:--

In the space of one hundred and seventy-six years the Lower Mississippi has shortened itself two hundred and forty-two miles. That is an average of a trifle over one mile and a third per year. Therefore, any calm person, who is not blind or idiotic, can see that in the Old Oölitic Silurian Period, just a million years ago next November, the Lower Mississippi River was upwards of one million three hundred thousand miles long, and stuck out over the Gulf of Mexico like a fishing rod. And by the same token any person can see that seven hundred and forty-two years from now the Lower Mississippi will be only a mile and three quarters long, and Cairo and New Orleans will have joined their streets together, and be plodding comfortably along under a single mayor and a mutual board of aldermen. There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi, Chapter XVII (Pg 209)

28 posted on 12/02/2004 12:11:59 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: GreenFreeper
correction: Unused byproducts are wasteful and costly no matter how you look at it

Not unless they are all rocketted into outer space.
Every single atom that was ever on earth (since it cooled, of course) is still here, and as I undestand it, we pick up a little additional mass each year.

So, "wasteful" in what way, exactly?

29 posted on 12/02/2004 12:17:09 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: GreenFreeper

I have three dogs, twice a week I pick up two gallons of dog hair and four pounds of particulate matter that has obediently settled on every surface within the confines of my abode.


30 posted on 12/02/2004 12:19:37 PM PST by Old Professer (The accidental trumps the purposeful in every endeavor attended by the incompetent.)
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To: Marine_Uncle

The article is correct based on the existing data.


http://www.iceagenow.com/


31 posted on 12/02/2004 12:20:28 PM PST by kabar
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To: Publius6961

Wasteful in that you are using compound 'ABC' combined with compound 'DEF' to get product ABDE. Compounds C and F are byproducts that are not used by said manufactuer. Essentially the company is paying for C and F as parts of each original compound. The discharge of those 'unused' compounds is wasteful in production efficiency sense and the economic sense. It's kinda like buying a whole pig and only 'using' the ribs. mmmm ribs! Would it not be in everyone's best interest to be able to use coumpounds C and F? I'm not infering that this can be done in every case but it is something we should strive for. A smart business model would at least explore the option.


32 posted on 12/02/2004 12:26:23 PM PST by GreenFreeper
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To: Old Professer
I have three dogs, twice a week I pick up two gallons of dog hair and four pounds of particulate matter that has obediently settled on every surface within the confines of my abode. well you should sell the dog hair to make sweaters and sell the particulate matter as a fertilizer to offset the cost of dog food. Now that would be maximizing efficiency, lol.
33 posted on 12/02/2004 12:29:55 PM PST by GreenFreeper
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To: IncredibleHulk

Absolutely - the only thing she did not foresee was that the politicos would hide behind environmentalism to accomplish their socialistic goals. But her premises were dead nuts on.


34 posted on 12/02/2004 12:39:42 PM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Marine_Uncle; abbi_normal_2; Ace2U; adam_az; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; amom; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.
35 posted on 12/02/2004 12:42:21 PM PST by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: GreenFreeper
I don't know why everyone likes to pick at me when I am essentially agreeing with most of you.

The reason is because the Global Warming crowd is out to destroy our very existence. Their goal is nothing short of brining down the U.S. You need to understand that their position is totally without scientific merit. Therefore, to show ANY position that can be twisted by "them" to indicate support cannot be promulgated. Their goals are as evil as the terrorists and socialist everywhere. I don't care one bit about climate change because any cursory reading on the topic shows the Earth goes through many such changes (long before man was around) At it's core the Global Warming crowd is totally political. Therefore, it would be wise to repudiate them at every turn. That is why you are seemingly attacked somewhat passionately. You just don't seem to understand how dangerous their positions are to our future.

36 posted on 12/02/2004 12:48:26 PM PST by liberty2004
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To: GreenFreeper; cogitator
"Regardles [sic] of the hype we still need to carefully look at our activities and eliminate unnecessary potential factors."

The "global warming" hoax is being used as a political device designed to stampede governments into making unwise, precipitous, and pernicious policy changes they would otherwise not make. The "principle of prudence" or whatever they're calling it these days says: "Don't do anything; something might happen." So you are paralyzed into zero progress--something the 'greens' have devotely wished for since the word was coined.

--Boris

37 posted on 12/02/2004 12:49:45 PM PST by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a Leftist with a word processor)
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To: Publius6961
"In the space of one hundred and seventy-six years the Lower Mississippi has shortened itself two hundred and forty-two miles. That is an average of a trifle over one mile and a third per year. Therefore, any calm person, who is not blind or idiotic, can see that in the Old Oölitic Silurian Period, just a million years ago next November, the Lower Mississippi River was upwards of one million three hundred thousand miles long, and stuck out over the Gulf of Mexico like a fishing rod. And by the same token any person can see that seven hundred and forty-two years from now the Lower Mississippi will be only a mile and three quarters long, and Cairo and New Orleans will have joined their streets together, and be plodding comfortably along under a single mayor and a mutual board of aldermen. There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi, Chapter XVII (Pg 209)"

Thanks for posting this gem. Even Twain was onto the environuts, back before they even existed.

38 posted on 12/02/2004 12:52:15 PM PST by Oblongata
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To: liberty2004
"The reason is because the Global Warming crowd is out to destroy our very existence. Their goal is nothing short of brining [sic] down the U.S."

Oh no. It is much more than that. They wish to return humanity to living in mud huts and scratching in the soil for grubs. Not only the U.S. Humanity.

As I like to put it: "They are not pro-nature; they are anti-human."

One of their spokespersons (I forget the name) actually said he wished for a global virus to wipe out humanity, for the sake of "Gaia".

--Boris

39 posted on 12/02/2004 12:54:30 PM PST by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a Leftist with a word processor)
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To: gibsosa

ping


40 posted on 12/02/2004 12:55:48 PM PST by lilmsdangrus
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To: liberty2004

Perhaps that is because I am forced to work with a lot of these nuts on a daily basis. I do see them (not necessarily my colleagues) as a serious threat, however I am still concerned with our environment. I do a lot of work with endangered species (which I am sure a lot of you would despise)and often run into the obstacle of trying to protect a particular species when the reason for its decline is multi-faceted. The global warming issue is similar to some degree, well possibly we just aren't sure but I am keeping an open mind.

For example I was working with an endangered rattlesnake. My research showed that the decline was due to habitat loss/degradation. In the park I work at, several wetlands (the hibernacula for this particular snake) were ditched prior to the park formation. While it would be irresponsible to say that the ditch itself is responsible for the decline, the subsequent loss of proper wetland habitat clearly is. The data shows the presence of the ditch is not related to this snakes presence or abundance, while the data does show that the presence or lack of ephemeral wetlands is related. The presence of ephemeral wetlands was shown not to be related to ditches, as some ditched areas still contain these wetlands due to other factor (mainly topography). That puts the researcher in a conundrum in that a simple logical extrapolation of my data makes it clear that the ditching of the wetland is a major cause of the decline, however I cannot attribute the actual ditch to it. As a scientist I can only report what I found, the interpretation of it is up to the reader. Hopefully that somewhat explains where I am coming from. It is very difficult to show direction causation in an open system, I think this holds true in the global warming issue as well as some of my work.


41 posted on 12/02/2004 1:07:13 PM PST by GreenFreeper
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To: Marine_Uncle
The Earth is going to get very hot in the future. Nothing to do with Global Warming, It's all documented in the "Book of Revelations".
42 posted on 12/02/2004 1:14:55 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: Willie Green

I fully believe there is no significant man-made global warming. There certainly is some but only on a butterfly effect scale. It's just not what the Godless liberals say. But, windpower is a good idea on it's own merrit.


43 posted on 12/02/2004 1:23:31 PM PST by biblewonk (Neither was the man created for woman but the woman for the man.)
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To: Brian328i

Global Warming is caused by the Sun, it happens every year in the spring. It escalates in the summer and it goes away every Fall.

Global warming is reversed in the Winter, when we have Global cooling.

It is called Seasons and weather.


44 posted on 12/02/2004 1:25:07 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Free the Fallujah one)
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To: kabar

YW: "The article is correct based on the existing data.
http://www.iceagenow.com/"

Thanks. I for one intend to check the contents of the site out in detail. I have grossly avoided reading about global warming issues for a number of years. Call it being lazy.
Perhaps others will find some interesting things at this site.

Growing Glaciers anyone? See the article at this site titled:
Glaciers are growing around the world, including the United States (Mount Rainier, Mount St. Helens, and Mount Shasta, among others)

You may find it rather interesting.

cheers all.


45 posted on 12/02/2004 1:27:41 PM PST by Marine_Uncle
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To: farmfriend

BTTT!!!!!!


46 posted on 12/02/2004 1:28:59 PM PST by E.G.C.
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To: GreenFreeper
well you should sell the dog hair to make sweaters and sell the particulate matter as a fertilizer to offset the cost of dog food.

You can only make sweaters out of long haired dog fur. The short haired varieties have to be used to stuff pillows. Of course they have to be labeled as an animal product and then Peta would be all over you. Then there is the hypoallergenic coalition.

47 posted on 12/02/2004 1:34:48 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Free the Fallujah one)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Thanks. I recommend you read the book, "Not by Fire, but by Ice." What we really are talking about is ocean warming, not global warming. It is part of the natural climate cycle of the Earth. Man has very little to do with it. We are due for another Ice Age, which occurs with almost clockwork reliability for millions of years. All the signs indicate that a new Ice Age is imminent.


48 posted on 12/02/2004 1:35:03 PM PST by kabar
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To: TASMANIANRED

I put lamb meat in my Peta.


49 posted on 12/02/2004 1:41:55 PM PST by GreenFreeper
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To: kabar

"All the signs indicate that a new Ice Age is imminent."

Thanks. I buy the idea about ocean warming, it fits in with ocean climatolical changes we have seen on the west coast in recent times etc.. Of course we cannot expect shows on PBS such as Nova, whatever, to show us documentaries on the expanding glacier systems, increase on pack ice in Antartica, recent trends of colder winters in north/south America etc..
Must keep the masses stupid, so they think GWB is against saving the planet! I keep wondering about where McCains's brains are. Perhaps it is time to send him some emails on this issue with associated reference sites.
Again thanks for the nice site, I am reading articles from it as I pop back the freepers site.


50 posted on 12/02/2004 1:47:02 PM PST by Marine_Uncle
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