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Taking Sides: Kinsey (Warning, graphic content)
BreakPoint with Chuck Colson ^ | 2 Dec 04 | Chuck Colson

Posted on 12/02/2004 11:39:14 AM PST by Mr. Silverback

“Never make judgments.” That’s what scientist Alfred Kinsey tells his research assistant very early in the new film about his life. Kinsey, as you know, was all about nonjudgmentalism. Throughout his career researching the sexual habits of Americans, his goal was to free society from the constraints of what the movie calls “morality disguised as fact.” And like its subject, the film attempts to be nonjudgmental—or, at least, that’s the ploy.

Three scenes exemplify the supposed nonjudgmentalism. In the first, Kinsey tells his wife, nicknamed “Mac,” that he’s had sex with one of his male researchers. Though she’s devastated, he explains that it’s only “social restraints” that prevent people from acting on their attractions. She retorts that maybe social restraints are necessary to keep people from getting hurt. It’s a moment of rare honesty and insight—which doesn’t last long. The next thing we know, Kinsey is giving the same researcher permission to have sex with Mac, and this, apparently, makes everything okay.

In the second scene, Kinsey and a colleague interview a man, Kenneth Braun, who has had sex with an astonishing number of partners of various genders, ages, and species. When he starts to discuss his pedophilic experiences, Kinsey’s fellow researcher storms out. Braun says that he thought Kinsey’s researchers would be impartial, to which Kinsey enigmatically replies, “Sometimes it’s difficult.” But he adds that “no one should ever be hurt” by sex, leading Braun to call him a “square.”

In the third scene, Kinsey is so distraught over a loss of research funding that he ends up in the bathroom mutilating himself. When Mac discovers him, he shows her letters from people who have written to beg him for help and laments that now he can’t help them. For such a hard-boiled movie, the scene is surprisingly maudlin. And its message is clear: Kinsey is a martyr to the cause of truth and compassion.

Now the facts: Kinsey, as his biographers report, had been mutilating himself for years as a result of a sexual appetite so voracious and uncontrollable that it led him into ever more bizarre practices.

And the real Kinsey didn’t seem to care who got hurt by his own activities or those of others. The prototype for Braun was a pedophile named Rex King, one of several pedophiles whose “research” Kinsey used. Kinsey’s defenders rationalize that just because Kinsey used such data, it does not mean he condoned the activity. None of them that I know of have ever explained why Kinsey wrote to King, “I congratulate you on the research spirit which has led you to collect data over these many years.”

From this repulsive data was born the pervasive myth that children are sexual beings from infancy. (It’s worth noting, as well, that Kinsey’s research methods were flawed in many other ways, another fact that his supporters gloss over as much as possible.)

This is the man that Hollywood has chosen to honor? And make no mistake, the film honors Kinsey. Now, I doubt many of you will be seeing the film—good. But your neighbors and friends are seeing it and are discussing it. And you need to help set them straight. Kinsey does not deserve to be anyone’s hero.


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The prototype for Braun was a pedophile named Rex King, one of several pedophiles whose “research” Kinsey used.

According to a recent John Leo column, this "research" includes the detailed notes of a pedophile who sexualy manipulated a child for 24 hours.

At the core of the sexual revolution, Hell speaks.

1 posted on 12/02/2004 11:39:14 AM PST by Mr. Silverback
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2 posted on 12/02/2004 11:40:29 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (A Freelance Business Writer looking for business.)
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3 posted on 12/02/2004 11:40:56 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (A Freelance Business Writer looking for business.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Kinsey was a pervert masquerading as a scientist. Given Hollywood's values, you can bet that this picture is nominated for Best Picture and Liam Neeson's portrayal of the misunderstood-by-the-ignorant-masses-pioneer Kinsey is nominated for Best Actor.


4 posted on 12/02/2004 11:43:59 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Mr. Silverback
This guy was not only a pedophile, but he engaged in sexual contact with 2-month old babies! That is beyond repulsion - he should've been executed.
5 posted on 12/02/2004 11:45:46 AM PST by GianniV
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To: Rummyfan
Yes - there will be standing ovations as the movie/Kinsey/Neesam are honored. Just like when they gave an ovation to that fine statutory rapist, Roman Palanski.

And then Billy Crystal will quip how the prudes in the Red States probably aren't clapping. Fu-k you, Billy, and your stupid Yankees hat.
6 posted on 12/02/2004 11:48:38 AM PST by GianniV
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To: Mr. Silverback

Kinsey, Sanger - All of the heros of the Left are Evil.


7 posted on 12/02/2004 11:49:21 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks ('Hate' is just a special kind of Love we give to people who suck.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
I was astonished when I first saw the trailer for the movie "Kinsey" advertised on the T.V.

Only Hollywood would make such trash

So many of todays social sexual "ills" can be traced directly to this man's work used to justify sexual perversion.

It's mind boggling.

I hope they spent a boat load of money making this film, because it will bomb.

8 posted on 12/02/2004 11:50:07 AM PST by Popman
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To: Mr. Silverback
Now the facts: Kinsey, as his biographers report, had been mutilating himself for years as a result of a sexual appetite so voracious and uncontrollable that it led him into ever more bizarre practices.

Kinsey was a total phoney. I though that had been established years ago.

9 posted on 12/02/2004 11:50:53 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: GianniV
In life as in death.... Speculation being that Kinsey died due to infections in the genitals brought on by self-mutilation:

The official cause of his death was pneumonia brought on by overwork and an enlarged heart. However, other evidence points to complications from what Kinsey called a "pelvic infection," but was actually diagnosed as orchitis.

Orchitis is marked by pain and swelling of the genitals usually caused by gonorrhea, syphilis, filarial disease or tuberculosis. The condition usually follows some kind of trauma, which Kinsey regularly inflicted upon himself by his compulsive genital self-mutilation and other sado-masochistic behaviors.

http://www.drjudithreisman.com/7of7.htm

10 posted on 12/02/2004 11:54:00 AM PST by dnmore
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To: Mr. Silverback
When he starts to discuss his pedophilic experiences, Kinsey’s fellow researcher storms out. Braun says that he thought Kinsey’s researchers would be impartial, to which Kinsey enigmatically replies, “Sometimes it’s difficult.” But he adds that “no one should ever be hurt” by sex, leading Braun to call him a “square.”

"No one should ever be hurt" except the children. < /sarcasm >.

The same could be said of Mengele's attitude toward Jews of all ages.

11 posted on 12/02/2004 11:54:51 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: Popman

There's talk of Oscar nominations for Kinsey. There should also be talk of boycotts of the Oscar broadcast and sponsors.


12 posted on 12/02/2004 11:56:11 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Add "Uncle Joe" Stalin to their list of heroes.


13 posted on 12/02/2004 11:56:59 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

And don't forget Leni Riefenstahl and Michael Moore. Two peas in a pod.


14 posted on 12/02/2004 11:57:41 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: GianniV

"...but he engaged in sexual contact with 2-month old babies!"

Better said, "he raped and ripped apart two month old infants".

Disgusting and tragic.


15 posted on 12/02/2004 11:58:09 AM PST by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: GianniV

Chris Rock is going to be the host this year. Too bad for him that America won't be watching.


16 posted on 12/02/2004 11:58:50 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: dnmore

The Movie Alexander shows he was a fag, This Movie Kinsey shows he was a pervertand a fag, What is Hollywood trying to prove, they just aint making movies like the "Bells of St. Marys" or Miracle on 24th street anymore. its all about pewrverts and faggots.


17 posted on 12/02/2004 11:58:55 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (If God doesnt destroy Hollywood he owes Sodom and Gomorrah an apology.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

I can't read this article, because it will give me nightmares. Is this horrible evil man still alive?


18 posted on 12/02/2004 11:59:39 AM PST by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: sgtbono2002

Sorry thats Miracle on 34th Street.


19 posted on 12/02/2004 11:59:41 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (If God doesnt destroy Hollywood he owes Sodom and Gomorrah an apology.)
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To: sgtbono2002

They've got an agenda, and it is anti-religion. Remember the character assaults that Mel Gibson faced when he was trying to complete his film last year?

The director and quite a few others are homosexuals who make films to market their fetish to America. "Awards" don't always equal "quality". Sometimes they are presented to offer "political support". Just ask Michael Moore.


20 posted on 12/02/2004 12:03:57 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: diamond6

Dead but his work is still enshrined at Indiana University and subsidized by taxpayers.


21 posted on 12/02/2004 12:04:51 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: weegee
And don't forget Leni Riefenstahl and Michael Moore. Two peas in a pod.

I could be wrong, but I thought that Leni Riefenstahl actually did "good" work prior to 1933. Again I could be wrong, but I recall reading, seeing on TV(?) something to that effect.

In any case, Michael Moore couldn't hold her purse. Regardless of her product during Adolph's reign, she was at least talented and a 'true artist'.

Wait I just found this, I was right; Leni Riefenstahl . She was an artist long before her involvement with the Nazis.

22 posted on 12/02/2004 12:13:46 PM PST by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Gen G Patton)
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To: weegee
There's talk of Oscar nominations for Kinsey

Oh' you can bet your last dollar on that. Hollyweird will have to find some nomination for it.

How about "Most absurd fictional nonfiction movie"

No, wait F- 9/11 would win that hands down

23 posted on 12/02/2004 12:16:36 PM PST by Popman
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To: Condor51
I imagine that a number of Nazis did "good" works before their used their talents to mechanize and sell an evil regime.

Leni remained unwilling to apologize for her past. She just claimed that she was misunderstood and distant during those years.

Fritz Lang could have had her job. He fled to America instead. Everyone has choices.

Leni Riefenstahl was honored by the Academy at the Oscars when they showed her picture among those who had died in the previous year.

24 posted on 12/02/2004 12:19:16 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: dnmore
"Kinsey regularly inflicted upon himself by his compulsive genital self-mutilation and other sado-masochistic behaviors."

This is always the kind of thing that Church workers/missionaries find when they go into 3rd world places, worship of strange gods are always followed by this sexual mutilation. The atheist can/should almost look at these things as evidence of the existence of God and Evil.

Is this actor, Liam, very left? Why would he do this part? Who in their right mind would do this part?
25 posted on 12/02/2004 12:28:14 PM PST by Esther Ruth
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Satan's Children at "Play"

Kinsey was a Pedophile.

The pedophiles helped the Gays get power, now the Gays will help the Pedophiles.


26 posted on 12/02/2004 12:31:55 PM PST by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: Mr. Silverback
The Deadbeat Dad of the Sexual Revolution, a speech by Judith A. Reisman

Kinsey Crimes & Consequences, by Judith A. Reisman

27 posted on 12/02/2004 12:35:41 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: weegee

Refenstahl is extremely influential on the way movies look. You can't avoid her. To not consider her an important film artist is to put one's head in the sand. Same with Eisenstein.


28 posted on 12/02/2004 12:40:10 PM PST by Borges
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To: Esther Ruth

"Is this actor, Liam, very left? Why would he do this part? Who in their right mind would do this part?"

Liam is married to one of Vanessa Redgrave's daughters. Vanessa has been a screaming lib all her adult life:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1289656/posts


29 posted on 12/02/2004 12:41:46 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (A Freep a day keeps the liberals away.)
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To: Esther Ruth

Should actors only play virtuous characters? There have been films about Hitler and Stalin too.


30 posted on 12/02/2004 12:42:47 PM PST by Borges
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To: Mr. Silverback

Although I've known who Kensey was for decades, I had never known about some of the information in this Colsen commentary. When seeing some of the trailers for this film, I surmised that information the likes of what Colsen revealed here was probably involved. I'm glad to see that confirmed.

The moral relativist overtones of this movie are unmistakable. IMO, this movie is going to advance a lot more than male/female relations. I doubt any of us thinks this had any impact on Hollywierd's decision to herald the life of Kensey. Nah, not a chance...


31 posted on 12/02/2004 12:43:22 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: Esther Ruth
Is this actor, Liam, very left? Why would he do this part? Who in their right mind would do this part?

Several years ago, around the time of Bill Clinton's impeachment, Liam Neeson told an interviewer that he regarded Clinton as a hero. Portraying Kinsey as a great man isn't much of a stretch for a guy like that.

32 posted on 12/02/2004 12:44:09 PM PST by Garth Rockett (You're a Herman Mu-un-ster!)
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To: Mr. Silverback

"According to a recent John Leo column, this "research" includes the detailed notes of a pedophile who sexualy manipulated a child for 24 hours."

Many children were molested, referred to by some as "The Children of Table 34":

http://www.rsvpamerica.org/TABLE34.htm


33 posted on 12/02/2004 12:49:38 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (A Freep a day keeps the liberals away.)
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To: GianniV
Please don't call Polanski a "statutory rapist" because it gives people the impression that he had sex with a willing minor. No, Polanski was the old fasioned kind of rapist. He drugged the girl up and didn't take "No" for an answer. If she'd been 50, it still would have been rape.
34 posted on 12/02/2004 12:53:32 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Rummyfan

If Kinsey had only had AIDS and a male lover, Neeson would be a lock.


35 posted on 12/02/2004 1:00:08 PM PST by steve8714 (Urban sprawl and citizens' guns will save this country.)
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To: Borges
I don't know. If a good person involves himself in a movie about Hitler, plays the part, I would not judge his motives if the movie portrayed him as the evil person he was. This just sounds like this film has set out to make a sympathetic intimate up close biography of someone who was sexually abusing infants and children. That's what I question in Liam, that he wants to be so much a part in portraying all Kinsey did so sympathetically instead of so lowly evil and horrific. Some line has been crossed there and that an actor would desire this part with this seeming nasty agenda is..weird.
36 posted on 12/02/2004 1:01:14 PM PST by Esther Ruth
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To: Esther Ruth

I think I'm the only one here who has seen the film and Kinsey is not portrayed as an angel by any means. The child molestor he interviews is portrayed exactly as such...a very loathsome character who repels Kinsey's assistant into leaving the room. Kinsey remains and interviews him through gritted teeth 'in the interest of science'.


37 posted on 12/02/2004 1:05:31 PM PST by Borges
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Ping.


38 posted on 12/02/2004 1:06:49 PM PST by narses (Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: Mr. Silverback
It seems this movie is actually full of revelations. Just the scenes in the movie demionstrate something was deeply wrong with Kinsey. I had always assumed he was just a guy who put together a lot of statistics about sex.

Mutilating yourself is a pretty over the top mental illness, and common sense tells us that a legitimate researcher into sex is not busy sharing research assistants with his wife.

I would support Kinsey collecting information on child molestors because such information could be useful to society. But one gets the strong impression that Kinsey was a pervert first and a serious researcher second. I think this movie will have the opposite effect to the one intended.

40 posted on 12/02/2004 1:11:04 PM PST by Williams
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To: Williams

His self mutilation is indeed reffered to in the film.


41 posted on 12/02/2004 1:13:28 PM PST by Borges
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To: Mr. Silverback

bump for later


42 posted on 12/02/2004 1:25:51 PM PST by sandbar
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To: Rummyfan
Given Hollywood's values, you can bet that this picture is nominated for Best Picture and Liam Neeson's portrayal of the misunderstood-by-the-ignorant-masses-pioneer Kinsey is nominated for Best Actor.

Liam will get Best Actor, but it's Fahrenheit 9/11 that will get Best Pic.

I'm not kidding, by the way. My prediction is that F9/11 will be nominated for Best Pic, Best Director, Best Original Screenplay and a host of minor categories (editing and such) and will win a bunch of them. If the Hollywood types realized how stupid they look to the rest of the country, they wouldn't be the way they are.

43 posted on 12/02/2004 1:41:51 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (A Freelance Business Writer looking for business.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Perverted, sick hero of the left!


44 posted on 12/02/2004 1:44:06 PM PST by JesseHousman
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To: Esther Ruth

I like Liam Neeson, However, I'll not go out of my way to see this movie. Mostly, because I have no interest in it.

Robert Carlyle is an excellent actor and one of my favorites. I hold nothing against him for playing Hitler on the TV miniseries. It's just a job.


45 posted on 12/02/2004 1:45:10 PM PST by highlandbreeze
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For those thinking boycott, here's the main movie info from Internet Movie Data Base. Kinsey is distibuted by Fox Searchlight, and was made by Qwerty Films, American Zoetrope, N1 European Film Produktions GmbH & Co. KG and Pretty Pictures


Kinsey (2004)

cover Directed by
Bill Condon

Writing credits (WGA)
Bill Condon (written by)

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Genre: Drama (more)

Tagline: Let's talk about sex.

Plot Outline: A look at the life of Alfred Kinsey (Neeson), a pioneer in the area of human sexuality research, whose 1948 publication "Sexual Behavior in the Human Male" was one of the first recorded works that saw science address sexual behavior. (more) (view trailer)

User Comments: Fascinating look at a complicated man (more)

User Rating: ********__ 7.5/10 (566 votes) Vote Here

Cast overview, first billed only:
Liam Neeson .... Alfred Kinsey
Laura Linney .... Clara McMillen
Chris O'Donnell .... Wardell Pomeroy
Peter Sarsgaard .... Clyde Martin
Timothy Hutton .... Paul Gebhard
John Lithgow .... Alfred Seguine Kinsey
Tim Curry .... Thurman Rice
Oliver Platt .... Herman Wells
Dylan Baker .... Alan Gregg
Julianne Nicholson .... Alice Martin
William Sadler .... Kenneth Braun
John McMartin .... Huntington Hartford
Veronica Cartwright .... Sara Kinsey
Kathleen Chalfant .... Barbara Merkle
Heather Goldenhersh .... Martha Pomeroy
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46 posted on 12/02/2004 1:46:10 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (A Freelance Business Writer looking for business.)
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To: GianniV
This guy was not only a pedophile, but he engaged in sexual contact with 2-month old babies!

This may seem like a fine point, but John Leo addressed it in his column and I think it's important: Kinsey never staged, notr witnessed any pedophilic experiments, he simply used "research notes" and interviews with pedophiles.

Granted, that only takes one little pebble off his mountain of evil, but it's a distinction that needs to be made, because we need to detail the man's methods as they were. Accusing him of molesting children himself is the same as accusing those scientists who wanted to use Mengele's hypothermia data of drowning Jews themselves.

47 posted on 12/02/2004 1:50:02 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (A Freelance Business Writer looking for business.)
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To: Popman
I hope they spent a boat load of money making this film, because it will bomb.

<absolute glee>DIG THIS!!!!! As of last weekend, Kinsey has made a grand total of $2,545,366. Now, to be fair, it's only showing in 188 theaters, so we should break that down by theater...$13,539 per theater. Well, that doesn't sound like a total disaster...

Until you compare it with something like The Incredibles:

Total take: $214,294,035
No. of Theaters: 3453
Take per Theater: $62,060

And the red Counties said...
SNICKER!

48 posted on 12/02/2004 2:11:31 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (A Freelance Business Writer looking for business.)
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To: Fiddlstix
I though that had been established years ago.

Most folks don't know who he is, and most of them buy into his basic premises because they've become "truths" taught in the culture. we haven't finished the debunking job.

49 posted on 12/02/2004 2:13:38 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (A Freelance Business Writer looking for business.)
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To: diamond6
Is this horrible evil man still alive?

No. See post 10, apparently he was done in by his own evil.

50 posted on 12/02/2004 2:16:43 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (A Freelance Business Writer looking for business.)
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