Skip to comments.Taking Sides: Kinsey (Warning, graphic content)
Posted on 12/02/2004 11:39:14 AM PST by Mr. Silverback
Never make judgments. Thats what scientist Alfred Kinsey tells his research assistant very early in the new film about his life. Kinsey, as you know, was all about nonjudgmentalism. Throughout his career researching the sexual habits of Americans, his goal was to free society from the constraints of what the movie calls morality disguised as fact. And like its subject, the film attempts to be nonjudgmentalor, at least, thats the ploy.
Three scenes exemplify the supposed nonjudgmentalism. In the first, Kinsey tells his wife, nicknamed Mac, that hes had sex with one of his male researchers. Though shes devastated, he explains that its only social restraints that prevent people from acting on their attractions. She retorts that maybe social restraints are necessary to keep people from getting hurt. Its a moment of rare honesty and insightwhich doesnt last long. The next thing we know, Kinsey is giving the same researcher permission to have sex with Mac, and this, apparently, makes everything okay.
In the second scene, Kinsey and a colleague interview a man, Kenneth Braun, who has had sex with an astonishing number of partners of various genders, ages, and species. When he starts to discuss his pedophilic experiences, Kinseys fellow researcher storms out. Braun says that he thought Kinseys researchers would be impartial, to which Kinsey enigmatically replies, Sometimes its difficult. But he adds that no one should ever be hurt by sex, leading Braun to call him a square.
In the third scene, Kinsey is so distraught over a loss of research funding that he ends up in the bathroom mutilating himself. When Mac discovers him, he shows her letters from people who have written to beg him for help and laments that now he cant help them. For such a hard-boiled movie, the scene is surprisingly maudlin. And its message is clear: Kinsey is a martyr to the cause of truth and compassion.
Now the facts: Kinsey, as his biographers report, had been mutilating himself for years as a result of a sexual appetite so voracious and uncontrollable that it led him into ever more bizarre practices.
And the real Kinsey didnt seem to care who got hurt by his own activities or those of others. The prototype for Braun was a pedophile named Rex King, one of several pedophiles whose research Kinsey used. Kinseys defenders rationalize that just because Kinsey used such data, it does not mean he condoned the activity. None of them that I know of have ever explained why Kinsey wrote to King, I congratulate you on the research spirit which has led you to collect data over these many years.
From this repulsive data was born the pervasive myth that children are sexual beings from infancy. (Its worth noting, as well, that Kinseys research methods were flawed in many other ways, another fact that his supporters gloss over as much as possible.)
This is the man that Hollywood has chosen to honor? And make no mistake, the film honors Kinsey. Now, I doubt many of you will be seeing the filmgood. But your neighbors and friends are seeing it and are discussing it. And you need to help set them straight. Kinsey does not deserve to be anyones hero.
According to a recent John Leo column, this "research" includes the detailed notes of a pedophile who sexualy manipulated a child for 24 hours.
At the core of the sexual revolution, Hell speaks.
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Kinsey was a pervert masquerading as a scientist. Given Hollywood's values, you can bet that this picture is nominated for Best Picture and Liam Neeson's portrayal of the misunderstood-by-the-ignorant-masses-pioneer Kinsey is nominated for Best Actor.
Kinsey, Sanger - All of the heros of the Left are Evil.
Only Hollywood would make such trash
So many of todays social sexual "ills" can be traced directly to this man's work used to justify sexual perversion.
It's mind boggling.
I hope they spent a boat load of money making this film, because it will bomb.
Kinsey was a total phoney. I though that had been established years ago.
The official cause of his death was pneumonia brought on by overwork and an enlarged heart. However, other evidence points to complications from what Kinsey called a "pelvic infection," but was actually diagnosed as orchitis.
Orchitis is marked by pain and swelling of the genitals usually caused by gonorrhea, syphilis, filarial disease or tuberculosis. The condition usually follows some kind of trauma, which Kinsey regularly inflicted upon himself by his compulsive genital self-mutilation and other sado-masochistic behaviors.
"No one should ever be hurt" except the children. < /sarcasm >.
The same could be said of Mengele's attitude toward Jews of all ages.
There's talk of Oscar nominations for Kinsey. There should also be talk of boycotts of the Oscar broadcast and sponsors.
Add "Uncle Joe" Stalin to their list of heroes.
And don't forget Leni Riefenstahl and Michael Moore. Two peas in a pod.
"...but he engaged in sexual contact with 2-month old babies!"
Better said, "he raped and ripped apart two month old infants".
Disgusting and tragic.
Chris Rock is going to be the host this year. Too bad for him that America won't be watching.
The Movie Alexander shows he was a fag, This Movie Kinsey shows he was a pervertand a fag, What is Hollywood trying to prove, they just aint making movies like the "Bells of St. Marys" or Miracle on 24th street anymore. its all about pewrverts and faggots.
I can't read this article, because it will give me nightmares. Is this horrible evil man still alive?
Sorry thats Miracle on 34th Street.
They've got an agenda, and it is anti-religion. Remember the character assaults that Mel Gibson faced when he was trying to complete his film last year?
The director and quite a few others are homosexuals who make films to market their fetish to America. "Awards" don't always equal "quality". Sometimes they are presented to offer "political support". Just ask Michael Moore.
Dead but his work is still enshrined at Indiana University and subsidized by taxpayers.
I could be wrong, but I thought that Leni Riefenstahl actually did "good" work prior to 1933. Again I could be wrong, but I recall reading, seeing on TV(?) something to that effect.
In any case, Michael Moore couldn't hold her purse. Regardless of her product during Adolph's reign, she was at least talented and a 'true artist'.
Wait I just found this, I was right; Leni Riefenstahl . She was an artist long before her involvement with the Nazis.
Oh' you can bet your last dollar on that. Hollyweird will have to find some nomination for it.
How about "Most absurd fictional nonfiction movie"
No, wait F- 9/11 would win that hands down
Leni remained unwilling to apologize for her past. She just claimed that she was misunderstood and distant during those years.
Fritz Lang could have had her job. He fled to America instead. Everyone has choices.
Leni Riefenstahl was honored by the Academy at the Oscars when they showed her picture among those who had died in the previous year.
Satan's Children at "Play"
Kinsey was a Pedophile.
The pedophiles helped the Gays get power, now the Gays will help the Pedophiles.
Kinsey Crimes & Consequences, by Judith A. Reisman
Refenstahl is extremely influential on the way movies look. You can't avoid her. To not consider her an important film artist is to put one's head in the sand. Same with Eisenstein.
"Is this actor, Liam, very left? Why would he do this part? Who in their right mind would do this part?"
Liam is married to one of Vanessa Redgrave's daughters. Vanessa has been a screaming lib all her adult life:
Should actors only play virtuous characters? There have been films about Hitler and Stalin too.
Although I've known who Kensey was for decades, I had never known about some of the information in this Colsen commentary. When seeing some of the trailers for this film, I surmised that information the likes of what Colsen revealed here was probably involved. I'm glad to see that confirmed.
The moral relativist overtones of this movie are unmistakable. IMO, this movie is going to advance a lot more than male/female relations. I doubt any of us thinks this had any impact on Hollywierd's decision to herald the life of Kensey. Nah, not a chance...
Several years ago, around the time of Bill Clinton's impeachment, Liam Neeson told an interviewer that he regarded Clinton as a hero. Portraying Kinsey as a great man isn't much of a stretch for a guy like that.
"According to a recent John Leo column, this "research" includes the detailed notes of a pedophile who sexualy manipulated a child for 24 hours."
Many children were molested, referred to by some as "The Children of Table 34":
If Kinsey had only had AIDS and a male lover, Neeson would be a lock.
I think I'm the only one here who has seen the film and Kinsey is not portrayed as an angel by any means. The child molestor he interviews is portrayed exactly as such...a very loathsome character who repels Kinsey's assistant into leaving the room. Kinsey remains and interviews him through gritted teeth 'in the interest of science'.
Mutilating yourself is a pretty over the top mental illness, and common sense tells us that a legitimate researcher into sex is not busy sharing research assistants with his wife.
I would support Kinsey collecting information on child molestors because such information could be useful to society. But one gets the strong impression that Kinsey was a pervert first and a serious researcher second. I think this movie will have the opposite effect to the one intended.
His self mutilation is indeed reffered to in the film.
bump for later
Liam will get Best Actor, but it's Fahrenheit 9/11 that will get Best Pic.
I'm not kidding, by the way. My prediction is that F9/11 will be nominated for Best Pic, Best Director, Best Original Screenplay and a host of minor categories (editing and such) and will win a bunch of them. If the Hollywood types realized how stupid they look to the rest of the country, they wouldn't be the way they are.
Perverted, sick hero of the left!
I like Liam Neeson, However, I'll not go out of my way to see this movie. Mostly, because I have no interest in it.
Robert Carlyle is an excellent actor and one of my favorites. I hold nothing against him for playing Hitler on the TV miniseries. It's just a job.
|Cast overview, first billed only:|
|Liam Neeson||....||Alfred Kinsey|
|Laura Linney||....||Clara McMillen|
|Chris O'Donnell||....||Wardell Pomeroy|
|Peter Sarsgaard||....||Clyde Martin|
|Timothy Hutton||....||Paul Gebhard|
|John Lithgow||....||Alfred Seguine Kinsey|
|Tim Curry||....||Thurman Rice|
|Oliver Platt||....||Herman Wells|
|Dylan Baker||....||Alan Gregg|
|Julianne Nicholson||....||Alice Martin|
|William Sadler||....||Kenneth Braun|
|John McMartin||....||Huntington Hartford|
|Veronica Cartwright||....||Sara Kinsey|
|Kathleen Chalfant||....||Barbara Merkle|
|Heather Goldenhersh||....||Martha Pomeroy|
This may seem like a fine point, but John Leo addressed it in his column and I think it's important: Kinsey never staged, notr witnessed any pedophilic experiments, he simply used "research notes" and interviews with pedophiles.
Granted, that only takes one little pebble off his mountain of evil, but it's a distinction that needs to be made, because we need to detail the man's methods as they were. Accusing him of molesting children himself is the same as accusing those scientists who wanted to use Mengele's hypothermia data of drowning Jews themselves.
<absolute glee>DIG THIS!!!!! As of last weekend, Kinsey has made a grand total of $2,545,366. Now, to be fair, it's only showing in 188 theaters, so we should break that down by theater...$13,539 per theater. Well, that doesn't sound like a total disaster...
Until you compare it with something like The Incredibles:
Total take: $214,294,035
No. of Theaters: 3453
Take per Theater: $62,060
And the red Counties said...
Most folks don't know who he is, and most of them buy into his basic premises because they've become "truths" taught in the culture. we haven't finished the debunking job.
No. See post 10, apparently he was done in by his own evil.