Posted on 12/02/2004 5:44:47 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
Do you support free speech licensing as well?
Interesting post, thanks.
I agree. Also I think US gun owners take our situation very personally, but they fail to realise that you cannot simply just introduce weapons freely to a society that has very little experience of them. If it were to come it would be gradual.
Britain has severe social disorder problems. Guns aren't gonna help the matter.
We on this side of the pond fully support your constitutional right to bear arms. However, no one can say that guns automatically equal a safer society, as there are countries with strict gun laws and low crime rates, just as there are countries with liberal gun laws and low crime rates. And vice versa. There is no constant.
Guns are just the tip of the iceberg. The real problems are how we have tolerated crime, vandalism and social disorder as a "fact of life".
If we were to import anything from the USA, I would rather it were the New York style zero-tolerance policing of the Giuliani era.
Sadly the liberals run our cities and howls of "civil rights abuses" deafen the cries for help from the real victims.
What liberals seem to forget is that crime is the biggest civil rights abuse there is.
Of course not, because you can't back up your claims and it's easier to NOT deal with the truth
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/810522.stm
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Answer this honestly...Would things have turned out better if German Jews were not disarmed in the 1930's? I have a feeling you are not aware of the original intent of our Second Amendment. It's not about hunting or self-defense.
Who's to say how things would have turned out? Hindsight offers us a number of other perspectives.
I get your point, but the issue here is crime, not 2nd Amendment style protection against federal government.
That is a very American issue, and one which I am unqualified to comment on.
The fact remains that you guys have had your share of crummy rulers over the years. Having an unarmed populace is a major-league gamble, regardless of what country they are in.
Oh, btw, you should tell the Home Office that CBS and Dan Rather are the LAST people they should get their information from. But....of course, you know that. :)
"The fact remains that you guys have had your share of crummy rulers over the years"
Winston Churchill
Margaret Thatcher
Harold McMillen
(I won't mention Blair in the same company)
But then you guys have had Clinton & Carter.
So I guess we've both had our fair share, eh.
I should say though that I regard Reagan and Bush (W) in the same class as Thatcher and Churchill (well, maybe not Churchill, he stands alone)
That's right, if you don't like the facts, rubbish the source.
Facts are facts my friend.
You've certainly had some fine leaders, but I was talking more along the lines of Henry VIII and whatnot.
Oh, and in answer to your question: Yes. Speech may and must be regulated as to time, place, and manner.
Facts are facts my friend.
I'm NOT "rubbishing" the source. In the case of CBS/Dan Rather, they did it to themselves.
Indeed, "facts are facts" unless the "facts" are NOT current. They are simply outdated. :)
That's what I was wondering, too. How much of this increase in "gun crimes" is otherwise law abiding citizens found in violation of gun prohibition laws?
According to a literal interperetation of the Second Amendment (which, if I recall correctly, you do not subscribe to, correct me if I'm mistaken), the government most certainly should not have any authority over firearms.
Do you believe the government ought to exist at all?
Sure, as long as they keep their dick-grabbers off of my guns.
Bull$hit laws such as campaign finance reform are passed due to such attitudes.
Somalia-style society is the result of anarchic attitudes such as yours.
Do you consider our Founding Fathers to be anarchists due to their opposition to any firearm regulation?
lol.....I knew that was BS.
"lol.....I knew that was BS."
;o)
If we did bail you out in the 1940s, you would be speaking German. Ever read the novel 'Battle of Britain'?
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