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S.C. man gets 30 years in jail for dog fighting
Index-Journal via SC Attorney General's web site ^ | Dec 3, 2004 | WALLACE McBRIDE

Posted on 12/03/2004 11:22:35 AM PST by upchuck

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To: uncleshag

What a horrible experience and so sad to see your pets killed that way.

I bought a Yorky puppy last year. A neighbor came by and said he has a pit bull and how friendly it is.

I flat out told him that his pit bull would NOT be friendly to my Yorky and he needed to keep it fenced. Thankfully I have not seen it run loose in the neighborhood.


61 posted on 12/03/2004 8:34:20 PM PST by potlatch (Under Construction.......)
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To: NavVet

What is the Gamecock defense?


62 posted on 12/03/2004 8:37:22 PM PST by southland (Send the UN to Israel so they can understand terrorism!!)
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To: potlatch

Thank you for the sentiments.

Some pets are like family members after so many years.

I have lots of good memories about them. Sugar, the Collie 'taught' my son to swim when the tyke was three. Sugar would allow him to hang on to her fur as she swam, toting him back and forth across the two acre farm pond. Circling my son at all times, keeping the eye out.

Or, the time Sugar kept the local volunteer fire truck from commencing into the yard - sirens blaring - while we were toasting hot dogs and marshmallows at a small backyard get together. The firefighters ate free that evening. And Sugar and my boy toured the truck and handled the tools.

She was a great dog.

Keep an eye on yours, potlatch.


63 posted on 12/03/2004 9:03:26 PM PST by uncleshag (Send the Light !)
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To: NonLinear
Exactly! This is the trait that dooms most of the breed because it is exactly why cruel people want them to fight other dogs with.

My Lord, the very same people who accuse the media of being biased and untruthful are the ones to fall hook line and sinker for the lies and misrepresentations about told to them by the same hated media.

Pits are working dogs. The breed was originally used for that purpose. Because of their stability, loyalty, strength and tenacity, stupid cruel men decided to use them to fight each other for sport.

64 posted on 12/03/2004 9:10:32 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: uncleshag

When I lost my last little dog, who was named Potlatch, I didn't get another one for almost 10 years because it hurt so bad!

Now, my husband and I love this little Yorky [Piper] and stay with him every minute when he's outside.

Believe it or not, we also have a huge Owl living in our Oak trees and have to watch out for it!


65 posted on 12/03/2004 9:13:12 PM PST by potlatch (Under Construction.......)
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To: potlatch

Owls, that's for sure.

We also have many red-tailed hawks that swoop and catch squirrels and kittens unaware.


66 posted on 12/03/2004 9:22:58 PM PST by uncleshag (Send the Light !)
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To: uncleshag

LOL, sounds silly but we had an instance of an Owl carrying off a small dog in the city a few months ago!!

The dog got away at some point and showed up back at its home a couple of days later with minor injuries.

You never know!


67 posted on 12/03/2004 9:27:06 PM PST by potlatch (Always remember you're unique. Just like everyone else.)
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To: Johnnyboy2000
They often falsely report other dog attacks as Pit bull attacks

A paperboy was bit in my area recently. Of course it received front page coverage in the local rag. The owner said it was an Amstaff. I was immediately suspicious. The Amstaff community in Canada is very small, around 300 owners and I was pretty sure I knew all the Amstaff owners in the area. I got on the phone to the Humane Society, to the reporter that wrote the story and the city editor, to the local TV station asking if the dog had papers to prove it was an Amstaff. Turns out it didn't. They sent a reporter to my house to do an interview that made the first page of the local section and a Toronto TV station did a good follow up on the story....

http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20041126-014/page.asp

"But it now appears the dog, named Lyric, wasn’t a pit bull or an American Staffordshire Terrier after all. “It is a mutt,” confirms Bonnie Beekon of the Cambridge Humane Society. “I suspect, between 3 and 5 different crossbreeds of something.”

The animal was sold through a newspaper as an American Staffordshire Terrier but it was never microchipped or tattooed. After the attack, the Humane Society determined it was actually a mix of a Whippet, Great Dane and even some Dalmation."

If it wasn't for myself and others that fought for the truth this never would have become known. Of course after the front page treatment the orginal story received, how many saw the retraction?

68 posted on 12/04/2004 4:59:40 AM PST by kanawa (Only losers look for exit strategies. Winners figure out how to win.)
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To: zoyd
Like many others you can not seem to distinguish between dog-aggression and human-aggression.

These dogs, unlike other breeds, were never bred to be human-aggressive. Yes, these dogs have been historically bred to be dog-aggressive and bastards like the criminal in this article continue to do this, but responsible breeders do not breed for dog aggression. They breed for stable temperament and enhancement of the qualities that make these breeds extremely people-friendly.
Responsible owners are knowledgeable owners. They properly train, maintain and contain their dogs. They know the individual dog may be dog-aggressive and take appropriate precautions.

Ban the deed, not the breed.

69 posted on 12/04/2004 5:34:02 AM PST by kanawa (Only losers look for exit strategies. Winners figure out how to win.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
The test group is what is skewed. AKC show people are the ones who take those tests, they are pushing the pit bull agenda, and push for dogs to take these tests at shows to improve their image. They don't represent the average pit bull, the aggressive ones don't make it to the show ring.

The same test is given to all breeds.

If aggressive 'pit bulls' do not make it to the show ring then neither do aggressive dogs of any breed. Although I'm sure there are judges with bite scars from 'nice' breeds that would disagree.

Just what is the 'pit bull agenda' ?
Is it some illuminati plot to fool everyone into thinking that pit bulls are actually people-friendly? For what purpose? So you can wake up someday to find the world ruled by the AKC and pit bull owners and the streets awash with vicious demons of mythical proportions.

Thank goodness there are still some like you that can see through this diabolical plot and warn an unsuspecting public.

I'll preemptively apologize for my sarcasm but when ignorance threatens the breed I love and a member of my family I tend to lose my patience. I'm sure if it was your dog's breed being misused and maligned you would feel the same.

Ban the Deed not the Breed.

70 posted on 12/04/2004 6:05:55 AM PST by kanawa (Only losers look for exit strategies. Winners figure out how to win.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

... and OJ is a free man.


71 posted on 12/04/2004 6:18:20 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: uncleshag

What some folks don't know is that people who train dogs to fight will use small dogs and cats for the dogs to tear up as practice before they are ready to fight. PLEASE, if you have a litter of kittens or puppies that you need to get rid of, DON'T advertise that you have FREE kittens/puppies. That is where some of these people get them. They also take dogs and cats out of your yard.

We have suspected breeders/trainers of fighting dogs that live in our area. There have been many in-depth news stories about them and their tactics. A couple of years ago, a pit-bull mix wandered onto our property. He had scars all over him, but was very gentle. When our dogs came up to him he immediately rolled over on his back. We figured he was used to train other dogs to fight, but had somehow gotten away. We found a good home for him through the SPCA.

I'm sorry about your Sugar. I can only imagine how painful it is for you to have lost her in such a brutal manner.


72 posted on 12/04/2004 6:39:28 AM PST by toomanygrasshoppers (Merry CHRISTMAS.)
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To: RepoGirl
Being bird dogs, Goldens have been bread for the 'soft mouth'. I read somewhere that pit bulls, and rotts, have a bite strength four times that of even a German Shepherd.

My Amstaff, sometimes when showing me affection, will nibble my earlobes in the most delicate manner. It amazes me that a dog with such powerful jaws can be so gentle.

73 posted on 12/04/2004 7:21:14 AM PST by kanawa (Only losers look for exit strategies. Winners figure out how to win.)
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To: kanawa
My Amstaff, sometimes when showing me affection, will nibble my earlobes in the most delicate manner. It amazes me that a dog with such powerful jaws can be so gentle.

When I first read your post, I puzzled: What's an Amstaff? Is that some exotic breed like a Saluki? Then I figured it out... I first saw a Staffordshire a few years ago at a vets office. I was stunned by how incredibly gorgeous it was--they have such magnificent head lines. They are really cool dogs, and from what I hear, really smart, feisty and loyal.

Talk about gentle? Just watch my toddler playing catch with my rott. This is a dog that accidentally tore the medial meniscus in my knee JUST by bumping into me while walking through a doorway, but my daughter can reach into her mouth and withdraw a tennis ball or knobbly chew bone with no fear. Even funnier, she feeds my dog (hence the recent addition of 15 lbs on her) the smallest bits of food with out getting a single scratch. Ursa's as precise as a surgeon when she just tilts her head up and picks the food from her hand, as delicate as you please.

She saves the mean mouth for squirrels or raccoons or when she's trying to steal Mommy's ultra expensive Nike running socks (right off Mommy's feet...). And her pigs ears.

74 posted on 12/04/2004 7:35:15 AM PST by RepoGirl (Rottweilers are republican; all cats vote nader.)
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To: RepoGirl
LOL Amstaff is less of a mouthful to say.

they have such magnificent head lines

We too have to watch out for those knee bumps as well as unintentional uppercut head butts.
It'll rattled your teeth and I got a minor fat lip or two before I wised up.

75 posted on 12/04/2004 9:04:27 AM PST by kanawa (Only losers look for exit strategies. Winners figure out how to win.)
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To: toomanygrasshoppers
He had scars all over him, but was very gentle.

Pit Bull Brutalized ... Pixie Needs Your Love

Blackwood, New Jersey Oct. 25, 2004 — Officials from the shelter say they have never seen a case of abuse like this one.

Dr.Marvin Baynes/Staff Veterinarian: "We've seen a lot....but not this kind of cruelty."

Animal control officers Steve Bordi and Chris McGarry spotted "Pixie" wandering the streets of Camden after some one reported her as a stray. And as they approached her, the officers started realizing this dog had been brutally abused.

When the dog arrived at the shelter, care-takers counted between 50 and 60 cigarette burns all over her body.

Fortunately, veterinarians at the animal shelter say "Pixie" will fully recover but there will likely be some scarring. There were also some places where the burns went so deep it's possible she will have a few permanent bare spots. And despite the cruelty she's faced, "Pixie" shows no signs of aggression toward people. In fact, her care-takers say this puppy will likely be easy to train because she loves getting attention.

And, they say, it would be great if she finds a home... with space to run.

More importantly though, is finding a home where Pixie will get the love she's been neglected since the day she was born.

76 posted on 12/04/2004 9:13:56 AM PST by kanawa (Only losers look for exit strategies. Winners figure out how to win.)
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To: Johnnyboy2000
Sorry I didn't get back w/ you yesterday or be able to clarify the point I was attempting to make. I was at work and leave at 4pm. (shhh don't tell my boss.)

Now I know this may sound like I'm for dog fighting, but trust me I'm NOT.

It just seems to me there are some people out there that are starting to put the lives of animals above the lives of humans.

You could get in more trouble from the courts because of how you house your dog, opposed to if you went out and attempted murder. That is insane.

I don't think some people understand what kind of law are being passed against dog (pit) owners. It's unreal.

In the courts eyes if you own a treadmill that means you fight dogs (even though that's a great way to let a dog exercise, opposed to you go out and running w/ the dog, you getting tired in 30mins and the dog still wants to run for another hour.), if you own a cattle prod that must mean you make your dog run on the treadmill (even though the story leaves out that Tant owned hogs[pigs] at one time and that's what he used it on.), if you own a break stick that means you fight dogs (even though if you need for any reason to unclasp a pit's jaws that is what you need to use), if you own a "rape rack"(it's not called a "box") that must mean you have fighting dogs (even though breeders used this to breed many others kinds of dogs to make $$ because of their blood lines. Think about Bulls for a sec. and what people will pay for certain "Rank" bull bloodlines, same difference), if you have a spring pole that must mean you're training the dog to fight (even though most dogs like to play tug-of-war, it's instinct).


As for culling dogs I think if people want to cull their dog because it's to mean, to old, doesn't get along w/ other dogs. They should be able to with out the fear of having the ASPCA throwing the book at them.

What in the heck is the difference between you culling your dog and the "humane" society putting millions of "unwanted" dogs to sleep each year? The dogs end up the same way, dead.

77 posted on 12/04/2004 10:13:01 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: kanawa
That's one cute pup!

Head butts--oy! One day I noticed that my husbands jaw was swollen. It looked as if he'd been in a bar fight. What happened to you, I asked?

Ursa, was his reply. Of course--just the other day, actually on Thanksgiving, we were visiting my dad. Our daughter was sitting on my husband's lap. She was wriggling around, then WHACK! Her huge melon head smacked into my husband's chin. Later that night, I noticed, "Hey, honey--what happened to your tooth?" His bottom right eye tooth was cracked in half. He'd swallowed the other half, we assume, when it was knocked out.

Pet ownership and parenthood--it's dangerous!

78 posted on 12/04/2004 10:30:06 AM PST by RepoGirl (Rottweilers are republican; all cats vote nader.)
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To: Johnnyboy2000
Prosecutors vow to keep going after dogfightin

David Tant was brought to trial by a dogfighting task force created by the attorney general's office. But it won't be the last case, said task force member Sandy Senn, who said the group also wants to toughen animal fighting laws so authorities can seize property like in drug cases.

"People are going to have their dogfighting parties in another state. Our goal is to run them out of business, but if we can't, run them out of our state," Senn said.


This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. It won't matter a bit if you're a law abiding citizen. As long as you have a dog and they want your land, you're F%$*ed. They'll make their case on circumstantial evidence and there's nothing you can do about it.

79 posted on 12/04/2004 10:51:44 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: PleaseNoMore

I don't miss.


80 posted on 12/04/2004 11:41:54 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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