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Saint James describes Colorado plane crash
cnn ^ | 12-3-04

Posted on 12/03/2004 2:35:47 PM PST by LouAvul

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To: ken5050
Striptease of the soul...

Thank you for your post. I too cannot get it: why does everybody disrobes before the camera?

21 posted on 12/03/2004 3:12:29 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: iceskater

Well..I am..playing off your screen handle..I was 10 when Tenley Albright won her Olympic Medal..


22 posted on 12/03/2004 3:13:36 PM PST by ken5050
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To: Right Wing Assault; TopQuark

Actually, because she comes from the Hollywood ethos, in her time of grief she was probably running on autopilot, and it seemed the normal thing to do..in a perverse way..it's the ultimate "reality TV"


23 posted on 12/03/2004 3:16:15 PM PST by ken5050
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To: ken5050

She was probably being hounded by the press and did it in self-defense. I remember her from her television days and the days when I read things like People magazine. When she married she became a wife and a mother and left the limelight.


24 posted on 12/03/2004 3:23:42 PM PST by tiki (Won one against the Flipper)
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To: TopQuark
Striptease of the soul... Thank you for your post. I too cannot get it: why does everybody disrobes before the camera?

Did you see the actual interview? To me it didn't come across that way at all. It was very moving and not at all crass. I'm sure her Hollywood background helped, but she was in no way "acting." And it wasn't "mourning" either; it was celebrating the life of her son and it was a heckuva reminder to the rest of us to, as Warren Zevon said so well, "enjoy every sandwich."
25 posted on 12/03/2004 3:24:02 PM PST by drjimmy
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To: Right Wing Assault

Uh, yes, I'd have to say you're a "nitpicker." Revel in that, if you must.

These folks have suffered a tremendous loss. They have my (and numerous other's) support and prayers. God bless them all. -- E


26 posted on 12/03/2004 3:25:28 PM PST by Endeavor
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To: drjimmy

I was the one who made the initial comment, and as I admitted, I only saw a few secinds. What I said was I couldn't understand anyone doing that NOW, while her husband and other son were in the hospital..I'm NOT a public kind of person..in displaying emotion..but I'll accept your take on it..


27 posted on 12/03/2004 3:26:55 PM PST by ken5050
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To: utahagen

Yes we pray for them. I am from Litchfield CT, not far from their home. Maybe a mile and a half, grew up there, graduated with Dick's brother. The Ebersols are good people. I am sure, knowing Litchfield, their mansion will not be empty for quite some time. The people will be there to offer whatever they can do. All three boys are really centered young men, good character and values.


28 posted on 12/03/2004 3:29:26 PM PST by gidget7 (God Bless America, and our President George W. Bush)
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To: LouAvul

I met her years ago. Though it was obvious she was on the other side of the political fence, I was impressed with her family values.

Prayers to the family.


29 posted on 12/03/2004 3:33:15 PM PST by maggief
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To: ken5050
I buried my thirteen-year-old son sixteen years ago, two days before Thanksgiving. He died as a result of an injury in an automobile accident.

He was my best pal and a wonderful human being. He was completely healthy and funny and caring and kind and mature beyond his years and very handsome.

You look at your child as the light for the future. You have dreams he will be everything his heart desires and will have happiness and success.

He can't die.

It's impossible...and then..

he does.

It is a sword to the center of your soul. You're cast into the valley of the shadow of death. It is full immersion in Hell. It is a nightmare from which you cannot awaken.

Every trail you rode with him is a trail of your endless tears. His closet full of clothes...his room as he left it...his saxophone now silent...taunt you and haunt you.

His friends graduate without him. The first girl he ever liked moves on. You are a man who seldom cried and now you can't stop. You want to simply lay down and die. Someone has reached into your innermost heart of hearts and punished you. They stole from you something more dear than your own life.

Tear my limbs from my body. Gouge my eyes out. Cut off my tongue. Throw me into a furnace.

Just send back my dear son.

Then, one day, you remember something you read. King David, in the depths of despair over the death of his dear son Absalom, saw a glimmer of light. "He cannot come back to me but I can go to him."

He's there and I'll be joining him...soon enough.

There is a God and he didn't hurt me like this as punishment for something. Who can worship a God who kills children to punish the parents? He wouldn't. He didn't. He will make it right again.

He quietly told me there will be a happy ending and he sent his only Son to insure it.

It's made the difference.

There is no pain suffered in this life which cannot be healed for those in faith who cling to Jesus Christ.

I came back from the wretched valley of despair and I am climbing the trail. I stop occasionally to look at the shining mountaintop with a young man whose face I recognize, standing upon it, smiling.

"Blessed are they who mourn, for they shall be comforted."

30 posted on 12/03/2004 3:35:55 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: drjimmy
I saw the interview and I totally agree with you. She came across as a wonderful mother who had lost her precious son. She was also very thankful that her older son was able to maintain enough to get his dad out of the plane. She also wanted to tell everyone how grateful she was for their concern and their letters. I believe she did extremely well for someone who had suffered the loss of her child who was her baby. I'm sure they were extremely close since she chose to stay home with him to raise him. I don't think I could have held it together like that...I would have been blubbering.
31 posted on 12/03/2004 3:37:17 PM PST by Ginifer
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To: LouAvul
I think I read (or heard) a while back that she really had quite a conversion in the last several years. Evidently, in her younger years (I guess during the time of MacMillan & Wife) she was quite the rebel, so to speak.

Over the course of the last several years, though - she came back to the church, and family, and all that. I wish I had seen the interview. I hadn't seen her on TV in years - for any interviews or anything. God Bless this family.

By the way - LouAvul - I am right across the Ohio River from you in the "sunny side of LouAvul" - howdy neighbor!!

32 posted on 12/03/2004 3:40:49 PM PST by MasonGal
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

Wow.

Sorry about your son.


33 posted on 12/03/2004 3:42:29 PM PST by abner (http://www.swiftvets.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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To: ken5050
Do you remember "Kate & Allie?"

Do you remember McMillan and Wife?

34 posted on 12/03/2004 3:42:35 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: metalcor

< She added: "You know the saying you're never supposed to bury a child? To lose one and not another. You have to sob your brains out." >

Does someone who saw the interview have a feel for what she meant by this "to lose one and not another". I'm figuring she means crying in sadness for one and crying in thankfulness that other is spared?


35 posted on 12/03/2004 3:45:11 PM PST by GOP_Proud ("Get your hands off him!" (President George W. Bush))
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To: GOP_Proud

I read the transcript of the interview and thought exactly what you wrote: that she was grieving for one son and thankful for the other's survival at the same time.


36 posted on 12/03/2004 3:47:01 PM PST by utahagen
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To: Endeavor

Not reveling in it. Never denied they suffered a terrible loss. I said I was sorry for their loss. What I can never understand is why we feel so sorry for famous, privileged people when they have a terrible loss. Are they our friends? Do they care about us? We just like them because they are talented in acting, sports, music, etc. They entertain us. That is nice, but not terribly important in the long run. If I were them, I would be crushed. If I were their close friends, I would be crushed. But our love of them is a one-way street. They don't even know most of us exist. We send them letters of condolence. Why? Are we trying to connect with their fame?

It's nice to know they have fans that like them, but what about the folks with no fans that no one knows even exist. We are so obsessed with fame and fortune it is ridiculous. We love the loveable and ignore the rest. I am not belittling their loss, just wondering why it is so important to us. Of all the public figures out there, how many of them REALLY are more important than the average bloke? They get lucky and are born with a pretty face, a nice voice, and have some talent. Therefore, when their son dies, the whole world mourns. If my son dies, a relative handfull of people care. Strangers don't send me letters. Unless, of course, he dies in an interesting way. THEN the world goes berserk. If he is killed by a famous psycho, people will flood me with mail. If he dies in the WTC, the same thing. If he gets hit by a car, who cares? Don't you see it as a bit sick? Why can't we live out own lives instead of living through the famous?


37 posted on 12/03/2004 3:48:15 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (On the Islamic agenda: Convert or DIE! (Or be enslaved.))
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To: ken5050

I think that whatever they want to do to mourn their son is okay. My brother just died a few months ago. It's very difficult for a parent to lose a child. Everyone mourns differently.


38 posted on 12/03/2004 3:50:23 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: ken5050

My absolutely favorite "Kate and Allie" was where they made friends with an "older" couple of women who made over them, cooked pastries for them, did odds and ends which Kate and Allie didn't get to. Kate and Allie loved the friendship and then found out that the "elder" ladies were lesbian and though Kate and Allie were also.. Kate and Allie didn't want to give up all the favors these ladies offered so they pretended to be lesbian.

Hilarious episode. One of my favorite shows. BTW I thought I saw the boy who played Allie's son in an episode of OZ. I'm not a fan of Oz but caught it at a friend's house one night.


39 posted on 12/03/2004 3:51:15 PM PST by GOP_Proud ("Get your hands off him!" (President George W. Bush))
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

Bingo! You get it! Completely.


40 posted on 12/03/2004 3:54:59 PM PST by Twinkie
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