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Canucks view U.S. through skewed eyes
Sun Media ^ | 12/01/04 | salim Mansur

Posted on 12/03/2004 4:38:44 PM PST by Conservative Canuck

Some excerpts:

Following last month's election, with Bush winning his second term and Republicans making gains in the Congress as the majority party, it is time Canadians showed maturity in appreciating the reality of America as it is, rather than seeking comfort from the polemics of self-loathing Americans such as Noam Chomsky, Michael Moore and their followers.

A generation ago, Jean-Francois Revel, an uncommon French intellectual, wrote: "The revolution of the 20th century will take place in the United States. It is only here that it can happen."

In his most recent book, Anti-Americanism, Revel discusses once again how much of European antipathy towards America is driven by hostility to Jeffersonian democracy, rather than any rational analysis.

Europe, Revel reminds us, is the cradle of the two great criminal ideologies of the 20th century -- Communism and Nazism -- and it is America that rescued her from both, as it will most likely again from the perils of Islamist fascism. (WOW! A Frenchman who gets it, too!)

(Excerpt) Read more at canoe.ca ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: canada; politics; usa
Some of us up here get it - even in the media - and Salim Mansur is one. I wish we had more like him in our universities, instead of the brain-dead Liberals spewing our crap. Take the time to read the full column. This guy is great!
1 posted on 12/03/2004 4:38:44 PM PST by Conservative Canuck
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To: Conservative Canuck

"Canucks view U.S. through skewed eyes"

Marty Feldman?


2 posted on 12/03/2004 4:39:58 PM PST by Spok
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To: Conservative Canuck

Canucks? Aren't they and the rest of the league on strike or locked out?


3 posted on 12/03/2004 4:40:36 PM PST by bushisdamanin04
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To: Spok

I once had a little virtual relationship with a Canadian woman ... until I playfully called her a Canuck. Boy, did I ever get a virtual earful.


4 posted on 12/03/2004 4:42:01 PM PST by bushisdamanin04
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To: Conservative Canuck

"skewed eyes"-- interesting concept


5 posted on 12/03/2004 4:47:40 PM PST by Clara Lou (Hillary Clinton: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: Conservative Canuck

there's a terrific article by frum in the national review online.com about the real canada and real canadians...i emailed him asking that it be posted on fr but haven't heard..maybe you could post it ,i don't know how....anyway,its nice for some truth telling about canada to show up on fr now and then..our media is as sick a bunch as their media when it come to beating up our countries and at the same time gleefully and lovingly whitewashing marxist/socialist bastions around the world....truth to the media is like sex to me..a fond but distant memory...bcboy


6 posted on 12/03/2004 4:48:52 PM PST by bc boy (bc boy again)
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To: Conservative Canuck; Spok
Wow, I had no idea that Asian immigration to Canada had that much impact ... oh, wait a minute, skewed eyes. Never mind.
7 posted on 12/03/2004 4:49:40 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" HRC 6/28/2004)
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To: Clara Lou

Yeah. Not like in Iran, where it's 'skewered' eyes.


8 posted on 12/03/2004 4:51:25 PM PST by Conservative Canuck (The Voice of One Crying in the Wilderness)
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To: bc boy

Were all copy rights reserved? Otherwise, it's okay to post, as long as you give it attribution, and don't make any money off it.


9 posted on 12/03/2004 4:54:20 PM PST by Conservative Canuck (The Voice of One Crying in the Wilderness)
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To: Clara Lou
"skewed eyes"-- interesting concept
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I noticed that too. I thought it was some sort of Geoffery Dahlmer recipe for hor de voures.
Good article. I am going to borrow it to antagonize some libs.
10 posted on 12/03/2004 4:55:16 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (We won. We don't need to be forgiving. Let the heads roll!!!!!!!!!)
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To: bushisdamanin04
I once had a little virtual relationship with a Canadian woman ... until I playfully called her a Canuck. Boy, did I ever get a virtual earful.

Hey, its a canadian paper, they can get away with it, likes blacks calling each other nigger.

But if you really want to see fireworks, just call an Aussie Woman Sheila!

11 posted on 12/03/2004 4:56:09 PM PST by konaice
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To: bushisdamanin04

Yeah, some don't like it, but I never had a problem with it. I guess some Americans don't like being called 'Yank' either, while others don't mind.


12 posted on 12/03/2004 4:56:23 PM PST by Conservative Canuck (The Voice of One Crying in the Wilderness)
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To: Conservative Canuck
"I guess some Americans don't like being called 'Yank' either,..."

Wow, I never gave it a minute's thought. You can me a Yank, if you want - I give all Canadians permission!

I have thought about Canada more over the last three years or so. I can't say that I understand what it means to be physically, economically and culturally tied to another country. It must (in some ways) be extremely tedious.

On the other hand, if people don't like American culture or American products, why support them? There are many things I don't like about popular American cultural and I don't give money to those things.

I do still like Canada, though. My family used to live up in Lake of the Woods and we were as happy shopping and showing up for entertainments in Canada as we were in America.

13 posted on 12/03/2004 5:12:18 PM PST by Gingersnap
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To: Conservative Canuck
Some of us up here get it - even in the media - and Salim Mansur is one. I wish we had more like him in our universities, instead of the brain-dead Liberals spewing our crap. Take the time to read the full column. This guy is great!

I live in the US and I wish we had more like him in our universities.

Something I concluded a short time ago is that most of modern western civilization gets the majority of "reality" painted by a liberal press. In the US I feel the liberal press despises the US and has hysterical hatred for Bush.

I don't know if the press in other countries despises the US, but have no reason to think otherwise. As I read stories from European papers, there surely seems to be the same hysterical hatred of Bush.

Yet, over many years I have worked in a job (I recently left) with Canadians, folks from England and even France. I simply never experienced any animosity from ordinary citizens in these other countries. While I know the condescension and disdain exists, these days I choose to think it is among the minority, as self-hatred is a loud but minority quality in the US. My wife and I are vacationing in Europe in March, and I truly anticipate the trip.

I wasn't alive then, but have read about how unpopular (in the US) our involvement in Europe was at the end of WWII. The Berlin Airlift was known to be pure lunacy even in the US military. Truman and a few generals felt to succumb to pressure from the Soviet Union and us opinion would cost the US and the world infinitely more that the cost of keeping three quarters of Berlin free. I think Truman was right.

It seems to me that an attempt to help the "middle eastern" world join the 21st Century is the same thing. It may not even be on a larger acale although it certainly is no less daunting. Who knows if we will even prevail. Yet think of how much better the world will be if democracy gains a toe hold in Iraq and Afghanistan and the Gaza. Think of how much worse it will be if we fail. Yet you get the feeling liberals want us to fail.

I will choose to think the majority of the free world, including those in Canada want freedom to win.

14 posted on 12/03/2004 5:24:25 PM PST by stevem
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To: Conservative Canuck
I guess some Americans don't like being called 'Yank' either, while others don't mind.

They're called southerners, LOL.

15 posted on 12/03/2004 5:25:58 PM PST by Mister Baredog ((DO IT NOW, if you haven't put up a flag on your FR homepage yet,PLEASE))
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To: Conservative Canuck

I really don't understand why Canadians don't like President Bush. He is a forthright man. He tells it like he sees it and does what he says he is going to do. What you see is what you get. I like that in a President and in a man. He is honest and a man of faith. He is caring and compassionate. What more could one ask for in a President? Oh, and don't let that Texas accent fool you, the man is highly intelligent. He is just down to earth and one of the "folks." I also like that in a President and in a man.


16 posted on 12/03/2004 5:28:02 PM PST by Goodgirlinred (Four More Years!!! Goodgirlinred)
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To: Conservative Canuck

i don't know..remember i'm a hoser from the west...may i suggest you go to ...www.nationalreview.com/frum/diary...could be ,ca...dec2 article by frum..its great


17 posted on 12/03/2004 5:28:49 PM PST by bc boy (bc boy again)
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To: Conservative Canuck

better yet..go to polipundit.com and scroll down to ..great white north...and that will get you to frum's article which suggests to me..no copyright issue


18 posted on 12/03/2004 5:33:24 PM PST by bc boy (bc boy again)
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To: Mister Baredog
Hey, I am a Southerner, since my parents moved down here to Virginia when I was 10. I was born in the Upper Pen. of Michigan. I consider myself a southerner since I have lived here for 45 years, but I also consider myself a northerner, too. Yank is OK by me. I think we are all Yanks. That is what the British called us in WWII, isn't it? Of course, I was not alive then, but I have seen movies. YANKEE is what southerners who are still fighting the Civil War would not want to be called.
19 posted on 12/03/2004 5:36:59 PM PST by Goodgirlinred (Four More Years!!! Goodgirlinred)
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To: Conservative Canuck

now i'm a bit more up to speed...frum can be found at www.nationalreview.com/frum/diary/120204.asp.....the article[dec,2]can be printed and sent out so no copyright issue


20 posted on 12/03/2004 5:42:25 PM PST by bc boy (bc boy again)
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To: Goodgirlinred

to set the record straight..a heck of a lot of us canucks think president is awesome...clinton is thought of very differently


21 posted on 12/03/2004 5:47:22 PM PST by bc boy (bc boy again)
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To: Goodgirlinred
YANKEE is what southerners who are still fighting the Civil War would not want to be called.

My wife, born in Atlanta and raised in the south would strongly object to that. It's southern heritage, not the civil war. Yankee is not derogotory it's descriptive, it means a northerner, to a southerner, simple.

22 posted on 12/03/2004 5:48:49 PM PST by Mister Baredog ((DO IT NOW, if you haven't put up a flag on your FR homepage yet,PLEASE))
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To: Conservative Canuck
although from a boarder state, missouri
i prefer johnny reb over yank.
and no i'm not a pro slave idiot, just identifying with a
geographical location.
oh wait, you meant yank internationaly. my bad.
personally there is not a name or stereo type you could lay on me that would ruffle my feathers, excepting anything related to "democrap" then fists would fly. ;-D
23 posted on 12/03/2004 6:44:52 PM PST by 537cant be wrong (no kittie! thats my pot pie!)
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To: Spok

Good post.


24 posted on 12/03/2004 6:53:27 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: Mister Baredog
My dear Mister Baredog, I am happy to know that your wife has not encountered people who are still remembering the War Between the States. I, however, have. There is still some bitterness down here. Mostly among those who are not as well educated as we are.
25 posted on 12/03/2004 7:12:17 PM PST by Goodgirlinred (Four More Years!!! Goodgirlinred)
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To: bc boy

Thank you so much! I knew everyone up there could not feel so much animosity towards President Bush. And I am glad that you all have more sense than our media to realize that President Clinton was not the greatest thing since sliced bread! Even though he appears to be a very friendly guy, he certainly did embarrass us and he did lie.


26 posted on 12/03/2004 7:16:09 PM PST by Goodgirlinred (Four More Years!!! Goodgirlinred)
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To: Goodgirlinred

A great many Canadians are pro American and like GWB. The liberal main stream media panders to the vocal lefties as it does down in the U.S. History will prove that President Bush chose the right course and the American people had the guts to stick with him. The loud mouthed lefties will then slink back under thier rocks.


27 posted on 12/03/2004 7:36:45 PM PST by albertabound
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To: Conservative Canuck
Well!!!!!

I'm not a yank thank you very much...I'M SOUTHERN....

Never ever ever ever ever call a Southerner a "YANK" Never....have your tongue pulled out first.

Never call a Southerner a yank...got it....

28 posted on 12/03/2004 11:14:32 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Conservative Canuck
Yeah, some don't like it, but I never had a problem with it. I guess some Americans don't like being called 'Yank' either, while others don't mind.

Oddly no American ever really amongst themselves uses the term 'Yank'...Yankee yes but not 'Yank' also if you call someone from the south a Yank or Yankee you might get punched in the mouth :>

29 posted on 12/03/2004 11:43:54 PM PST by tophat9000 (We didnít rise they sunk look at the blue, water filled, sink holes map (Mike Moore Fatass divots ?)
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To: Conservative Canuck

*shrug* I'm American. You can call me anything you want, but that ain't gonna change. And I'm AF Colonels' daughter. I'm from the North, South, West, East, Hawaii, Guam.....up down left right... WAIT, scratch that left part.


30 posted on 12/03/2004 11:46:23 PM PST by Hi Heels (Proud to be a Pajamarazzi.)
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To: Conservative Canuck
A generation ago, Jean-Francois Revel, an uncommon French intellectual, wrote: "The revolution of the 20th century will take place in the United States. It is only here that it can happen."

In his most recent book, Anti-Americanism, Revel discusses once again how much of European antipathy towards America is driven by hostility to Jeffersonian democracy, rather than any rational analysis. THESE TWO PARAGRAPHS SHOULD BE ALL OVER THE NEWS, TALK RADIO ETC. This is what will change the world. Ask one question? If Africa and India had suburbs with a Home Depot and homes built like America -how big would the world economy grow and how much tension would go out of the clash of cultures?

31 posted on 12/04/2004 4:38:52 AM PST by q_an_a
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To: tophat9000

.....consequently (myself being a "Yankee" conservative in the rural north)....if a southerner calls me a Yank, or Yankee, it is probably meant as a derogarory remark, so I might oblige him and lossen a few of his teeth.

To be called a Yankee by another northern conservitive is a compliment of the highest regards. I guess it just depends on who's calling me Yankee....and the tone of voice used.


32 posted on 12/04/2004 6:03:08 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death

lossen=loosen


33 posted on 12/04/2004 6:03:52 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Conservative Canuck; All

So does anyone know the origin of the word "Yank"?

I like to think the word comes from the fact that we "Yanked" the leash of the British before we turned and bit them.

As for Canadians, I always wanted to go up to Alberta and hunt geese, it is supposed to be fantastic. Are Americans still welcome in Canada? Even the ones who are conservative and bring guns with them? Do I have to take the NRA and "W" stickers off my truck in order to be safe?

Just curoius.


34 posted on 12/04/2004 6:05:13 AM PST by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: taxed2death
To be called a Yankee by another northern conservitive is a compliment of the highest regards. I guess it just depends on who's calling me Yankee....and the tone of voice used.

I would agree with that... While I was born and raised in So. Cal I consider myself a true Yankee as my father family is 10 generation New England farmers (1635 to 1914) I surely have the temperament

35 posted on 12/04/2004 8:37:58 AM PST by tophat9000 (We didnít rise they sunk look at the blue, water filled, sink holes map (Mike Moore Fatass divots ?)
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To: Conservative Canuck
A generation ago, Jean-Francois Revel, an uncommon French intellectual, wrote: "The revolution of the 20th century will take place in the United States. It is only here that it can happen."

This has come to pass. Unfortunately the revolution is multiculturalism, and the Jean who saw the truth was Raspail not Revel.

Europe, Revel reminds us, is the cradle of the two great criminal ideologies of the 20th century -- Communism and Nazism -- and it is America that rescued her from both, as it will most likely again from the perils of Islamist fascism.

There is no clash of civilizations, there is only an internal civil war in the West. Islam isn't powerful enough to confront the West. If the U.S. and Europe had the same Muslim populations they had 50 years ago there would be little threat of Muslim terrorism.

36 posted on 12/04/2004 11:15:36 AM PST by jordan8
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To: Trteamer

without question...of all of the provinces in canada..alberta is the most user friendly for yanks...red neck is a term of endearment for most residents of that province and that is not a bad thing!!!!!....and the goose,duck,pheasant,prairie chicken and hottie hunting is fabulous...bcboy


37 posted on 12/04/2004 1:26:15 PM PST by bc boy (bc boy again)
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To: Goodgirlinred

to be quite honest..i'm a clinton hater..i absolutely despise the man and i don't think hillary is much better..he embarassed your country for 8 years and now bubba and the pantaloon lady want to have another run at it in 2008...god help us all...every day in canuckville is a good day for me with gwb as your commander in chief...bcboy


38 posted on 12/04/2004 1:32:36 PM PST by bc boy (bc boy again)
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To: Conservative Canuck

what happened..did the media police track you down and send you to the arctic circle before you could read frum's article about the "great" great whitenorth


39 posted on 12/04/2004 1:35:41 PM PST by bc boy (bc boy again)
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To: Trteamer

term originally meant for new yorkers of dutch descent
typical dutch name (male) jan (pronunced -yan-)
typical dutch product (cheese) kase
jan-kase = yankees

later anybody living in that area (New York) was a yankee

by an american, and this was extended to all northerners.


40 posted on 12/07/2004 8:08:38 AM PST by Conservative Canuck (The Voice of One Crying in the Wilderness)
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To: pbrown

Got it. I know it's a derogetory word down there. I'm not in the habit of name-calling, anyway. That's a Liberal thang! :-)


41 posted on 12/07/2004 8:10:15 AM PST by Conservative Canuck (The Voice of One Crying in the Wilderness)
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To: Conservative Canuck

Its hard to get pumped up about Canada. Its like the very very back part of your yard you throw junk in or don't care about like the space behind the shed. I would take my dog for a walk there as long as they don't have a "Poop & Scoop" law.


42 posted on 12/07/2004 8:14:41 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: Goodgirlinred

A lot of Canadian DO like President Bush, and the United States. Just like down there, it's the hysterical left that gets all the coverage. I really fail to understand why we don't see that our past, present and future security and prosperity depended, and depends on the United States. I think it's some kind of inferiority complex. That, coupled with our immigration policies which seems to favour people from America-hating countries.


43 posted on 12/07/2004 8:36:19 AM PST by Conservative Canuck (The Voice of One Crying in the Wilderness)
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To: Conservative Canuck

Well, I see no reason for Canadians to have an inferiority complex. You have a beautiful country. I do think that you all should vote to have your immigration laws changed so that you do not favor anti-American immigrants. They will be your enemies, too.


44 posted on 12/07/2004 9:42:24 AM PST by Goodgirlinred (Four More Years!!! Goodgirlinred)
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To: Goodgirlinred; TheForceOfOne

Thanks. Canada IS a beautiful country, with great winter sports such as skiing and snowmobiling, canoeing/boating, hunting and fishing. And the people are mostly very warm (except Quebec, they're just as arrogant and snooty as their French cousins), and our cities offer great dining and entertainment. But I think many Canadians are intimidated by the US, and feel they have to be contrarian in order to maintain our identity.

Most of the immigrants vote Liberal, so it's at the point now where it's self-sustaining. Our only hope is to elect a truly conservative government with the courage to make the changes necessary, and some fundamental political reform.


45 posted on 12/07/2004 10:02:56 AM PST by Conservative Canuck (The Voice of One Crying in the Wilderness)
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To: Conservative Canuck

You know, I just don't understand this thing of people being intimidated by the United States. We are just people like you. Sure, our country has a lot of assets, a large military, etc. etc. But we are not going to hurt anyone.
Now someone may point to Iraq and say we went to war with them. Well, they are a hostile country full of terrorists who attacked us. Plus, look at what Saddam was doing to his own people! We freed them from unimaginable horrors.
We are a peace loving nation. We love children and animals and the land. We welcome others with open arms as you do. I am shy, but if someone smiles and says something to me I will talk to them for hours, no matter where they are from. Most everyone I know is like that. So what is there to be intimidated about. You all just need to come down here and get to know us.


46 posted on 12/07/2004 4:24:04 PM PST by Goodgirlinred (Four More Years!!! Goodgirlinred)
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