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Posted on 12/03/2004 5:34:26 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak
Five days before 9/11, Charles Vincent bought his first Koran. Six weeks later, while smoke was still pouring from the remains of the World Trade Center, he formally converted to Islam in the mosque attached to the Islamic Cultural Center on 96th Street and Third Avenue in New York City. A blonde, blue-eyed 29-year-old from Torrance, California, he readily admits that he chose an unlikely moment to fall in love with the world's most newsworthy religion. But in the three years since, his devotion to Islam has only deepened. Like a growing number of white Americans and Europeans, he has discovered that Islam is not just the religion of those "other" people.
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Most of the subjects appear to be mentally ill.
It appears to be a prerequisite for joining TROP.
Wait a few years or months when the novelty wears off and he tries to recant. Then, he'd better move and change his name.
And then there was Jim Jones, and then there was David Koresh, and then there have been other assorted loons that are held up as trophies by the cults they adopted and many died from following them.
" ... when the novelty wears off ... "
I think you're right. I wonder how many converts to Islam "backslide" and if they fully realized the consequences before their conversion?
I have a few books on Islam bought way before 9/11 just out of curiosity. None of them make me want to become a Muslim. As for the Koran, as a result of reading these books I bought a copy. Perhaps I'm one of those stupid Republicans, but I found it unreadable. I am amazed that anyone could be converted by reading it that my only thought is that they refuse to admit they can't understand it and think it makes them look smart to have other people think they do.
they sound like a bunch of jingoists.
this isnt a religion, but a arabization of other cultures..
why does someone have to dress-up to know god?
its more of a fashion statement
They're not converting, they're recruiting. It's a damed cult.
I read a book on social psych a while ago. The book explained that the usual method for being a cult leaders is to say a bunch of baloney that doesn't make any sense and just serves to confuse people. At the end you "summarize" it for your followers by telling them that it means they have to do something you want them to do.
Oh no...You misunderstand...This isn't so much a lifestyle as it is a predilection...(They think they're born that way)...
All you need to learn about the reality of Islam and the toons that follw it can be found here.
Yeah, he's doing really great. Driving a cab in New York city, praying in Mosques. I bet he gets a lot of dates--not!
What strange questions. I cannot imagine freely wanting to live this way.
Um, that's an "interesting" way of putting it.
Christian believers see Islam for what it is...demonic.
Islam is either demonic or Satanic...
If you are not a believer, you are probably leaning toward the democratic position...but this is a religious battle.
To say otherwise is like saying that escaping a shark attack is like avoiding a fish.
There are always sicko's when you have a country of 300+ million people. Don't worry about him - he was probably a middle child and didn't get enough attention as a kid. Now he join Islam to make a 'statement' to his parents.
But the thing we all have to watch for are people like him infiltrating our society, to support their masters in the Middle East. Keep your eyes open for these people, figure out where they live, and, after they strike, call the FBI to have them talked to.
Dressed as he is in an Islamic-style tunic and a white kufi, or cap, with an untrimmed ginger beard
I find it curious that whenever a white person adopts Islam beit John Walker Lind, Cat Stevens, or whoever they feel it necessary to adopt the whole tragitional islamic garb while more and more Arab Muslims are wearing Levis, Nikes and Tommy Hilfiger.
I think you have to be mentally ill or some type of sad outcast to convert. Or a prison convict.
tragitional=traditional. Fat fingers. Darn, JimRob really needs a spell checker on this thing!
To understand these people and al Qaeda too, read Eric Hoffer's book The True Believer. He provides an analysis using historical examples as to why people join mass movements.
The Amway of the new millenium.
Put keywords in like America (he justifies beheading Americans in one response). Here is what you get when you enter Thanksgiving:
We have studied the background of Thanksgiving day- to express gratitude to the favours of the natives of the 16th century. IN principal to express gratefulness and gratitude for favours rendered is encouraged. However,
Thanksgiving being a national holiday express its salient position in the American culture, which has many unislamic values and principles.
Celebrating Thanksgiving purposefully or subordinately is an expression of accepting the general American Culture. It is not celebrated independent of the American Culture. In view of the above it is not permissible to
celebrate Thanksgiving Day.
and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best
Mufti Ebrahim Desai
"Perhaps I'm one of those stupid Republicans, but I found it unreadable."
The Koran is readable. It takes work to wade through it, though. Like a badly written text book on nuclear physics. Talk to a Muslim, though, and he'll say you have to read it in Arabic since that's the language God wrote it in. For some reason God was unable to write a book that could be translated into another language without the meaning getting substantially altered.
When they grabbed the Lackawanna 6 in my backyard it scared the h*ll out of me. Makes one wonder how many actually live here that hate our guts.
This guy is hiding from life. Guess he wants to be controlled.
Interesting...I thought you had to be born Amish.
Kind of like saying Scott Peterson is America's most newsworthy fisherman...
..."... you are required to pray five times a day..."...
required to pray PUBLICLY---within sight of other Muslims. Thus, you are required to acknowledge, in public, 5 times every day, that you are subject to the rule of an Islamic cleric, who will forever retain power over your life and over the life of your family.
Islam is willing submission into eternal SLAVERY. Slavery--unless you are lucky to be one of Allah's "chosen ones". If so, then YOU can enslave and torture others.
It's all basic evil human nature. That's why you need to pray in public 1,825 every year.
The Muslims use a number of tricks to cover their tracks and claim they're not the bad guys. Here's a summary (more details available if people request):
1. Islam is a religion of peace, it's just that a few bad apples are causing the trouble.
2. The vast majority of Muslims are peaceful.
3. The Koran preaches peace, it's just that a few imams don't interpret correctly. You must read the book, preferrably in Arabic, to understand this.
I'm afraid that #3, in particular tricks a lot people. No one should have to read the Koran to figure out what it means. Those people doing the sawing in Iraq are not holding bibles. That's enough for me.
"I think I prefer the Torrence Amishman and his choice."
They both get to wear interesting clothes, grow a cool beard, and live in the past. Pretty similar, really...except, of course, for the whole terrorist martyr/72 virgin thing.
Try this keyword:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=jihadinamerica
I've said it before, and am convinced of it:
Allah was the fallen angel Lucifer.
I'm gonna have a BLT first thing tomorrow. Extra bacon.
Well, I guess it's tylenol PM for me tonight. Muslims need one way tickets back to h*ll.
"Islam is a way of life. The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, taught us everything up to how to go to the bathroom. Even when you go to the bathroom, how to go in, how to go out, how to sit, how to wash, how to take a shower."
So everyone that already knows how to use the bathroom and how to shower, can refrain from trying to be taken for an interesting person and stay well away from today's biggest death cult.
You know I'm with you...
That sounds so good right now! BLT, extra bacon, extra mayo.
Kick some butt...you doin' good, man.
Just damn. If only the Scientologists or Amway had gotten to him first. He was obviously ripe for the picking.
I think you're on to something.
Ultimately, these guys are playing dress-up. Lindh even spoke with an accent, and may still, for all I know. It's a big game, sort of like that played by those idiots in black velvet and white face paint who claim to be vampires.
This is one of the bizarre and illogical things about Arabs and Muslims.
As I understand it "Arabic" didn't really even exist at the time of Muhammad, and Muhammad likely spoke Aramaic, a related, but different language. "Spoke", since Muhammad was, like most men of his time, illiterate, and was unable to write "God's words in ANY language.
It was at least two centuries later before anyone tried to write down the oral tradition, and by then, lots of the Aramaic words had dropped out of use, and as the whole oral text was interpreted by now "Arabic" speakers, much of the original meaning was distorted and often in ways that result in literal nonsense, even in Arabic. God never dictated the Koran in Arabic - or any other language. It was written by men generations after the death of Muhammad and in its early forms contain textual differences from edition to edition. Literal "word of God," right down to the language of dictation. Not a chance.
This of which I speak cannot be said by a Muslim, or he would be subject to ritual murder for blasphemy.
the muslim world gives us a glimpse into the western world's middle ages. because of the desert genesis of islam, and the shortage of water, they have no tradition of brewing good beer. without beer, all those men cannot relax or vent their life rage on something apolitical in a drunken stupor. this is the big problem.
Mmmm ... big fat juicy tomatoes, and lately I've taken to putting avocado on them, too. A BLT with avocado is pretty close to heaven!
Well, that's not true, obviously.
What's funny is that converts to Islam always seem to think that they have to dress, speak and act like third world peasants. When Christians make converts in non-Christian countries the people wear what they want, speak their own language and read the bible in their own language.
This "play-acting" acting aspect is very troubling. I have more than enough Latin to follow a Tridentine Mass or recite the creeds and common prayers in Latin but I don't have enough to read the Vulgate intelligently - nor has anyone ever suggested that I get up to speed.
This is a cultural conversion, in my mind.