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LA Weekly ^ | 12/1/2004 | Brendan Bernhard

Posted on 12/03/2004 5:34:26 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak

Five days before 9/11, Charles Vincent bought his first Koran. Six weeks later, while smoke was still pouring from the remains of the World Trade Center, he formally converted to Islam in the mosque attached to the Islamic Cultural Center on 96th Street and Third Avenue in New York City. A blonde, blue-eyed 29-year-old from Torrance, California, he readily admits that he chose an unlikely moment to fall in love with the world's most newsworthy religion. But in the three years since, his devotion to Islam has only deepened. Like a growing number of white Americans and Europeans, he has discovered that Islam is not just the religion of those "other" people.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; War on Terror
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Most of the subjects appear to be mentally ill.

1 posted on 12/03/2004 5:34:26 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

It appears to be a prerequisite for joining TROP.


2 posted on 12/03/2004 5:35:55 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Wait a few years or months when the novelty wears off and he tries to recant. Then, he'd better move and change his name.


3 posted on 12/03/2004 5:36:01 PM PST by JeeperFreeper
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

And then there was Jim Jones, and then there was David Koresh, and then there have been other assorted loons that are held up as trophies by the cults they adopted and many died from following them.


4 posted on 12/03/2004 5:38:52 PM PST by xJones
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To: JeeperFreeper

" ... when the novelty wears off ... "

I think you're right. I wonder how many converts to Islam "backslide" and if they fully realized the consequences before their conversion?


5 posted on 12/03/2004 5:39:58 PM PST by AngrySpud (Behold, I am The Anti-Crust ... Anti-Hillary)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

I have a few books on Islam bought way before 9/11 just out of curiosity. None of them make me want to become a Muslim. As for the Koran, as a result of reading these books I bought a copy. Perhaps I'm one of those stupid Republicans, but I found it unreadable. I am amazed that anyone could be converted by reading it that my only thought is that they refuse to admit they can't understand it and think it makes them look smart to have other people think they do.


6 posted on 12/03/2004 5:40:36 PM PST by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

they sound like a bunch of jingoists.

this isnt a religion, but a arabization of other cultures..

why does someone have to dress-up to know god?

its more of a fashion statement


7 posted on 12/03/2004 5:42:00 PM PST by atari
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

They're not converting, they're recruiting. It's a damed cult.


8 posted on 12/03/2004 5:43:25 PM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
"Islam is a way of life. The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, taught us everything up to how to go to the bathroom. Even when you go to the bathroom, how to go in, how to go out, how to sit, how to wash, how to take a shower." Some religion they have going.......what is the punishment if you go to the bathroom wrong?
9 posted on 12/03/2004 5:43:59 PM PST by AirForceMom
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To: CaptRon
I am amazed that anyone could be converted by reading it that my only thought is that they refuse to admit they can't understand it and think it makes them look smart to have other people think they do.

I read a book on social psych a while ago. The book explained that the usual method for being a cult leaders is to say a bunch of baloney that doesn't make any sense and just serves to confuse people. At the end you "summarize" it for your followers by telling them that it means they have to do something you want them to do.

10 posted on 12/03/2004 5:44:17 PM PST by Odyssey-x
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To: sheik yerbouty

Oh no...You misunderstand...This isn't so much a lifestyle as it is a predilection...(They think they're born that way)...

/sarc


11 posted on 12/03/2004 5:45:15 PM PST by rockrr (I can't wait until sKerry is reduced to the level of a nuisance)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
Islam is anti-free will, anti-free thought and just un-American.

All you need to learn about the reality of Islam and the toons that follw it can be found here.

12 posted on 12/03/2004 5:46:00 PM PST by isthisnickcool (John Kerry in 2008!)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Yeah, he's doing really great. Driving a cab in New York city, praying in Mosques. I bet he gets a lot of dates--not!


13 posted on 12/03/2004 5:47:58 PM PST by rbg81
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To: isthisnickcool

What strange questions. I cannot imagine freely wanting to live this way.


14 posted on 12/03/2004 5:49:56 PM PST by AirForceMom
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
the world's most newsworthy religion.

Um, that's an "interesting" way of putting it.

15 posted on 12/03/2004 5:51:15 PM PST by lizma
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To: Odyssey-x
The problem is that the founder of this cult is, possibly, someone a little more powerful that just a regular cult founder.

Christian believers see Islam for what it is...demonic.

Islam is either demonic or Satanic...

If you are not a believer, you are probably leaning toward the democratic position...but this is a religious battle.

To say otherwise is like saying that escaping a shark attack is like avoiding a fish.

16 posted on 12/03/2004 5:52:21 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: everyone

Guys,

There are always sicko's when you have a country of 300+ million people. Don't worry about him - he was probably a middle child and didn't get enough attention as a kid. Now he join Islam to make a 'statement' to his parents.

But the thing we all have to watch for are people like him infiltrating our society, to support their masters in the Middle East. Keep your eyes open for these people, figure out where they live, and, after they strike, call the FBI to have them talked to.


17 posted on 12/03/2004 5:52:51 PM PST by BobL
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Dressed as he is in an Islamic-style tunic and a white kufi, or cap, with an untrimmed ginger beard

I find it curious that whenever a white person adopts Islam beit John Walker Lind, Cat Stevens, or whoever they feel it necessary to adopt the whole tragitional islamic garb while more and more Arab Muslims are wearing Levis, Nikes and Tommy Hilfiger.

18 posted on 12/03/2004 5:53:06 PM PST by Drew68
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To: AirForceMom

I think you have to be mentally ill or some type of sad outcast to convert. Or a prison convict.


19 posted on 12/03/2004 5:54:02 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: Drew68

tragitional=traditional. Fat fingers. Darn, JimRob really needs a spell checker on this thing!


20 posted on 12/03/2004 5:54:45 PM PST by Drew68
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

To understand these people and al Qaeda too, read Eric Hoffer's book The True Believer. He provides an analysis using historical examples as to why people join mass movements.


21 posted on 12/03/2004 5:56:22 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Liberalism is proof that intelligent people can ignore as much as the ignorant.)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
I think you would have to be mentally ill to adopt Islam, or inherently evil.
22 posted on 12/03/2004 5:56:33 PM PST by AirForceMom
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

The Amway of the new millenium.


23 posted on 12/03/2004 5:57:39 PM PST by JustAnotherOkie
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To: AirForceMom

Put keywords in like America (he justifies beheading Americans in one response). Here is what you get when you enter Thanksgiving:

We have studied the background of Thanksgiving day- to express gratitude to the favours of the natives of the 16th century. IN principal to express gratefulness and gratitude for favours rendered is encouraged. However,
Thanksgiving being a national holiday express its salient position in the American culture, which has many unislamic values and principles.
Celebrating Thanksgiving purposefully or subordinately is an expression of accepting the general American Culture. It is not celebrated independent of the American Culture. In view of the above it is not permissible to
celebrate Thanksgiving Day.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
FATWA DEPT.




Nice, eh? The world is full of mosques where the people in those mosques are taught to hate smerica.


24 posted on 12/03/2004 5:59:14 PM PST by isthisnickcool (John Kerry in 2008!)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
The last person I knew with roots in Torrence California converted to the Amish church. There must be something weird about Torrence. I think I prefer the Torrence Amishman and his choice.
25 posted on 12/03/2004 6:02:44 PM PST by bilhosty
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To: CaptRon

"Perhaps I'm one of those stupid Republicans, but I found it unreadable."

The Koran is readable. It takes work to wade through it, though. Like a badly written text book on nuclear physics. Talk to a Muslim, though, and he'll say you have to read it in Arabic since that's the language God wrote it in. For some reason God was unable to write a book that could be translated into another language without the meaning getting substantially altered.


26 posted on 12/03/2004 6:03:41 PM PST by nosofar
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To: isthisnickcool

When they grabbed the Lackawanna 6 in my backyard it scared the h*ll out of me. Makes one wonder how many actually live here that hate our guts.


27 posted on 12/03/2004 6:05:16 PM PST by AirForceMom
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To: Drew68

This guy is hiding from life. Guess he wants to be controlled.


28 posted on 12/03/2004 6:06:25 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: bilhosty

Interesting...I thought you had to be born Amish.


29 posted on 12/03/2004 6:09:35 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: lizma

Kind of like saying Scott Peterson is America's most newsworthy fisherman...


30 posted on 12/03/2004 6:10:12 PM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("If you accumulate enough layers of superficiality, that's pretty much the same as having depth")
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

..."... you are required to pray five times a day..."...

required to pray PUBLICLY---within sight of other Muslims. Thus, you are required to acknowledge, in public, 5 times every day, that you are subject to the rule of an Islamic cleric, who will forever retain power over your life and over the life of your family.

Islam is willing submission into eternal SLAVERY. Slavery--unless you are lucky to be one of Allah's "chosen ones". If so, then YOU can enslave and torture others.

It's all basic evil human nature. That's why you need to pray in public 1,825 every year.


31 posted on 12/03/2004 6:10:56 PM PST by jolie560
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To: nosofar

The Muslims use a number of tricks to cover their tracks and claim they're not the bad guys. Here's a summary (more details available if people request):

1. Islam is a religion of peace, it's just that a few bad apples are causing the trouble.

2. The vast majority of Muslims are peaceful.

3. The Koran preaches peace, it's just that a few imams don't interpret correctly. You must read the book, preferrably in Arabic, to understand this.

I'm afraid that #3, in particular tricks a lot people. No one should have to read the Koran to figure out what it means. Those people doing the sawing in Iraq are not holding bibles. That's enough for me.


32 posted on 12/03/2004 6:10:56 PM PST by BobL
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To: bilhosty

"I think I prefer the Torrence Amishman and his choice."

They both get to wear interesting clothes, grow a cool beard, and live in the past. Pretty similar, really...except, of course, for the whole terrorist martyr/72 virgin thing.


33 posted on 12/03/2004 6:13:53 PM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("If you accumulate enough layers of superficiality, that's pretty much the same as having depth")
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To: AirForceMom

Try this keyword:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=jihadinamerica


34 posted on 12/03/2004 6:13:55 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: weenie

I've said it before, and am convinced of it:

Allah was the fallen angel Lucifer.


35 posted on 12/03/2004 6:15:53 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: AngrySpud
About 3 months after they take the pledge and past by a diner with bacon and eggs or Jimmy Deans cooking on the grill....

No BLT ever tasted sweeter than to a Muslim convert three months after swearing in...

It pretty funny in the prisons to watch the Muzzies having to sneak the ham and bacon they are dying for....then have to deny having done so to their broze...
36 posted on 12/03/2004 6:16:54 PM PST by joesnuffy ("The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it." Horatio Seymour)
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To: joesnuffy

I'm gonna have a BLT first thing tomorrow. Extra bacon.


37 posted on 12/03/2004 6:18:41 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Well, I guess it's tylenol PM for me tonight. Muslims need one way tickets back to h*ll.


38 posted on 12/03/2004 6:20:09 PM PST by AirForceMom
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To: AirForceMom
If he could vote for an Islamic state, he would, with Saudi Arabia as the model...

Vile.

39 posted on 12/03/2004 6:21:47 PM PST by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
"Like a growing number of white Americans and Europeans, he has ...... become the mortal enemy of Christianity.

He has but one purpose in his life now, and that is to destroy Judaism and Christianity
40 posted on 12/03/2004 6:21:47 PM PST by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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To: AirForceMom

"Islam is a way of life. The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, taught us everything up to how to go to the bathroom. Even when you go to the bathroom, how to go in, how to go out, how to sit, how to wash, how to take a shower."

So everyone that already knows how to use the bathroom and how to shower, can refrain from trying to be taken for an interesting person and stay well away from today's biggest death cult.


41 posted on 12/03/2004 6:21:49 PM PST by Bazooka (Just say what you think. They hate our guts anyway.)
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To: texasbluebell
Texasbluebell...

You know I'm with you...

42 posted on 12/03/2004 6:21:52 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

That sounds so good right now! BLT, extra bacon, extra mayo.


43 posted on 12/03/2004 6:22:37 PM PST by AirForceMom
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To: steplock

Kick some butt...you doin' good, man.


44 posted on 12/03/2004 6:25:07 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Just damn. If only the Scientologists or Amway had gotten to him first. He was obviously ripe for the picking.


45 posted on 12/03/2004 6:26:42 PM PST by wizardoz
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To: Drew68
I find it curious that whenever a white person adopts Islam beit John Walker Lind, Cat Stevens, or whoever they feel it necessary to adopt the whole tragitional islamic garb while more and more Arab Muslims are wearing Levis, Nikes and Tommy Hilfiger.

I think you're on to something.

Ultimately, these guys are playing dress-up. Lindh even spoke with an accent, and may still, for all I know. It's a big game, sort of like that played by those idiots in black velvet and white face paint who claim to be vampires.

46 posted on 12/03/2004 6:30:58 PM PST by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("Hell, I don't want to meet them sons of bitches." Elvis Presley on the Beatles)
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To: nosofar
Talk to a Muslim, though, and he'll say you have to read it in Arabic since that's the language God wrote it in.

This is one of the bizarre and illogical things about Arabs and Muslims.

As I understand it "Arabic" didn't really even exist at the time of Muhammad, and Muhammad likely spoke Aramaic, a related, but different language. "Spoke", since Muhammad was, like most men of his time, illiterate, and was unable to write "God's words in ANY language.

It was at least two centuries later before anyone tried to write down the oral tradition, and by then, lots of the Aramaic words had dropped out of use, and as the whole oral text was interpreted by now "Arabic" speakers, much of the original meaning was distorted and often in ways that result in literal nonsense, even in Arabic. God never dictated the Koran in Arabic - or any other language. It was written by men generations after the death of Muhammad and in its early forms contain textual differences from edition to edition. Literal "word of God," right down to the language of dictation. Not a chance.

This of which I speak cannot be said by a Muslim, or he would be subject to ritual murder for blasphemy.

47 posted on 12/03/2004 6:31:18 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

the muslim world gives us a glimpse into the western world's middle ages. because of the desert genesis of islam, and the shortage of water, they have no tradition of brewing good beer. without beer, all those men cannot relax or vent their life rage on something apolitical in a drunken stupor. this is the big problem.


48 posted on 12/03/2004 6:33:45 PM PST by next view
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To: AirForceMom
That sounds so good right now! BLT, extra bacon, extra mayo.

Mmmm ... big fat juicy tomatoes, and lately I've taken to putting avocado on them, too. A BLT with avocado is pretty close to heaven!

49 posted on 12/03/2004 6:34:34 PM PST by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, and victory.)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
""In the second chapter it says, ‘In this book you’ll find no doubt,’" he told me. "Meaning no contradictions."

Well, that's not true, obviously.

What's funny is that converts to Islam always seem to think that they have to dress, speak and act like third world peasants. When Christians make converts in non-Christian countries the people wear what they want, speak their own language and read the bible in their own language.

This "play-acting" acting aspect is very troubling. I have more than enough Latin to follow a Tridentine Mass or recite the creeds and common prayers in Latin but I don't have enough to read the Vulgate intelligently - nor has anyone ever suggested that I get up to speed.

This is a cultural conversion, in my mind.

50 posted on 12/03/2004 6:37:21 PM PST by Gingersnap
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