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EXIT DANFORTH -- ENTER DANFORTHISM? (I Can't Take This)
yahoo.com ^ | 12/04/04 | William F. Buckley

Posted on 12/04/2004 4:04:03 AM PST by beyond the sea

Plop in the middle of the entangled, entangling, impossible mess of the United Nations, where Kofi Annan ego attempts achingly to overswell diurnal scandals (this morning's -- "Swiss Firm Suspected of Fraud/Paid U.N. Chief's Son $50,000"), enters John C. Danforth. This resolute human being, who only four months ago became U.S ambassador to the United Nations, announced that he was quitting. Why? And why at this time? Because, he said, he wants to be home. He needs to spend more time with his wife, Sally.

"Forty-seven years ago," Mr. Danforth wrote to the president, "I married the girl of my dreams, and, at this point in my life, what is most important to me is to spend more time with her. Because you know Sally, you know my reason for going home."

Well, if we knew Sally like John knows Sally, we'd perhaps simply ignore all other considerations before the house. But we don't, and are therefore driven to pause over other matters that might have entered the mind of John Danforth when he decided to pull out.

Pause, first, for an aerial view of the scene:

The secretary general is pretty universally discredited by a money scandal which some estimate as perhaps the largest in human history. It is a scandal that has so immobilized normal respiratory practices that Paul Volcker himself, the most direct and fearless public official in recent history, is tongue-tied. He appears to be hiding behind remote technicalities in order to serve the U.N., whose secretariat is of course the agent of Kofi Annan, who is the primary defendant in the whole mess.

There are no less than five congressional committees living on the tether's end of patience for failure to get cooperation from the U.N. on a matter of far-reaching concern. Is it possible that some of the $20 billion routed and re-routed from the sale of Iraqi oil, ostensibly collected to buy bread for starving Iraqis, has ended up by financing the insurgents who kill U.S. Marines every day?

But the framework is even wider, as the files on Sen. Danforth quickly reveal. New York Times correspondent Warren Hoge advises that it was actually the day after he wrote his private letter of resignation that Danforth publicly criticized the United Nations "in an unusually brash denunciation of a move in the General Assembly to cut off a motion that would have criticized human rights violations in Sudan, which the United States has called genocide."

Danforth declaimed: "One wonders about the utility of the General Assembly on days like this. One wonders if there can't be a clear and direct statement on matters of basic principle, why have this building (in New York City)? What is it all about?"

The question of legitimacy dogs the U.N. For years it has been so, living lopsidedly on the arbitrary allocations of membership in the Security Council done in San Francisco in 1945. But these distortions, and others -- notably the victimization of Israel and the coddling of Castro-Cuba -- diminished in strategic consequence because the Cold War swept away everything in its path, generating among other things the undenied and undeniable legitimacy of U.S. leadership of the free world.

That has changed. Europe's security from Soviet imperialism has led to the delegitimization of the U.S. as inherent and singular leader in policy-making on international problems. That is the reason for Europe's refusal to back our venture in Iraq. It isn't that Germany and France objected to troops in Iraq. They objected to their being dispatched there other than by an organization, the U.N., in which France exercised a veto power.

The survival, in its present shape, of a U.N. pockmarked by the charter of 1945 may not be in question: Nobody's about to rescind the U.N. But its prestige is at rock-bottom low. Its hypocrisy was sensed and indeed articulated by John Danforth, and its bureaucratic self-interest is reinforced by Kofi Annan's refusal to resign. It is a true mess, and whatever our concern for Sally, the world joins in asking, with John Danforth, "What is it all about?"


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: annan; chirac; corrupt; danforth; food; france; fraud; investigation; iraq; oil; quit; resign; scandal; un; unitednations; useless; williamfbuckley
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Danforth played the Waco game for the government. Maybe he just couldn't stand this filth.
1 posted on 12/04/2004 4:04:04 AM PST by beyond the sea
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2 posted on 12/04/2004 4:12:18 AM PST by beyond the sea (I know beyond a doubt ...... my heart will lead me there)
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To: beyond the sea

Why IS he quitting? Can anybody get ahold of Sally and find out?


3 posted on 12/04/2004 4:18:33 AM PST by jocon307 (Jihad is world wide. Jihad is serious business. We ignore global jihad at our peril.)
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To: jocon307; cardinal4

Let's hope that Danforth's resignation is the first chink in the dam. Maybe that when the rush of water starts it will flush that useless body right into the East River.


4 posted on 12/04/2004 4:28:06 AM PST by Ax (Basking in the glory of President Bush's famous victory...)
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To: jocon307
Why IS he quitting?

John is the only one who can prepare for Sally back in Missouri their favorite recipe, 'BREAD BAKED WITH HONEY AND CREAM'. He knows just how much 'crème fraîche' (a French sour cream) to use for finest flavor.

Seriously though, I think Mr. Buckley hasn't really touched the real reason Mr. Danforth split so quickly. But I'll wait for wiser men than me to answer your question. But the stench at the U.N. is hard to take.

5 posted on 12/04/2004 4:32:13 AM PST by beyond the sea (I know beyond a doubt ...... my heart will lead me there)
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To: Ax
Let's hope that Danforth's resignation is the first chink in the dam. Maybe that when the rush of water starts it will flush that useless body right into the East River.

Agreed.

I was thinking when I first read here on FR that he was quitting (it was on a thread where it was explained by posters how horribly Danforth did on 'Fox and Friends' the other morning) that his early resignation is a sign that big ugly things are right down the road for the U.N. and 'oil for food'.

Danforth was a man of (dubious) duty with his Waco "investigation", so I thought he would stick this ambassadorship out. His quitting early sounds alarms to me - alarms for what I don't know. But it smells.

6 posted on 12/04/2004 4:38:54 AM PST by beyond the sea (I know beyond a doubt ...... my heart will lead me there)
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To: beyond the sea
Is it possible that Kofi is on a spending spree and buying influence that is for sale? Unlimited monies buys unlimited friendships.
7 posted on 12/04/2004 4:48:21 AM PST by UncleSam
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To: UncleSam
Is it possible that Kofi is on a spending spree and buying influence that is for sale? Unlimited monies buys unlimited friendships.

LOL! There are some people here at FR and elsewhere who believe that Danforth is well above that kind of thing. My jury however is out on him ever since he took that regrettable Waco (snow)job.

8 posted on 12/04/2004 5:02:51 AM PST by beyond the sea (I know beyond a doubt ...... my heart will lead me there)
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To: beyond the sea

Give Kofi a break. He has Bill Clinton as an example....

Never surrender, never resign.

Kofi is leader of a rogue nation crafted within the boundries of America. This nation is accountable to no one.

It should be invaded and conquered.


9 posted on 12/04/2004 5:04:05 AM PST by bert (Don't Panic.....)
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To: bert

Oh how I hope and wish that Bill/Hillary are involved in this scandal. They are over due for one.


10 posted on 12/04/2004 5:11:02 AM PST by sarasotarepublican (Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.)
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To: bert
Give Kofi a break. He has Bill Clinton as an example.... Never surrender, never resign.

LOL...... yeh, Billy Boy set a great example by 'toughing everything out'...... a lousy example even to the kids today who saw all that bull from him!

11 posted on 12/04/2004 5:11:16 AM PST by beyond the sea (I know beyond a doubt ...... my heart will lead me there)
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To Kofi Annan with love,

Bart


12 posted on 12/04/2004 5:14:46 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP! ©)
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To: MeekOneGOP

Doesn't Kofi look like he could be Eddie Murphy's father?


13 posted on 12/04/2004 5:34:33 AM PST by beyond the sea (I know beyond a doubt ...... my heart will lead me there)
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To: Ax

I believe that when Danforth left the senate some years back he used the same excuse. Thus, can we assume that he thought the Senate a corrupt institution. It wouldn't surprise me.


14 posted on 12/04/2004 5:42:03 AM PST by gaspar
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To: beyond the sea

I believe Danforth believed what he put out about Waco. You can fault him for that since you are convinced it was a crock. Everyone who knows the man seems to think he well-represents the values and morals of the ordained minister that he is, and that his religious faith is deeply felt and genuine. Yet here you are, saying you have yet to be convinced he isn't being bribed by Kofi Annan. Really now.


15 posted on 12/04/2004 5:44:01 AM PST by txrangerette
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To: beyond the sea
I think I heard Danforth say his wife is ill and he needs to spend more time with her. Apparently, her illness is a new development.
16 posted on 12/04/2004 5:45:23 AM PST by RAY (They that do right are all heroes!)
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To: beyond the sea
"Doesn't Kofi look like he could be Eddie Murphy's father?

He probably is.....but then who knows for sure?

17 posted on 12/04/2004 5:45:46 AM PST by albee (Those who desire peace should prepare for war.)
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To: beyond the sea
For years it has been so, living lopsidedly on the arbitrary allocations of membership in the Security Council done in San Francisco in 1945.

Yeah, can SOMEONE explain to me why FRANCE was put on the SC? What the hell were our post-war leaders thinking?? Seriously, France did NOTHING in the war. NOTHING, well, except for surrender. I can see the rationale for the Soviets, Brits, and Americans. But France?? And when was China added? Were they in in '45 or were they added later?

18 posted on 12/04/2004 5:51:25 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: beyond the sea
Seriously though, I think Mr. Buckley hasn't really touched the real reason Mr. Danforth split so quickly.

Admittedly wild speculation: If the Clintons have more exposure in this case than their link to Marc Rich, they could be desperate to use whatever agents they have to suppress the investigation.

When he did his Waco cover up, Danforth was working for the Clinton administration. What did the Clintons have to do to get a man with a very good reputation to front the cover up on their atrocity?

We'll probably never know for sure, but we do know that Filegate has worked very well for them. IF, if, if the lever they used on Danforth was blackmail, they could try to use it again. IF Danforth just couldn't stand to be used for evil purposes again, perhaps he might preempt the attempt and avoid the whole situation.

His strange behavior and ruminations about Waco on Fox show a man deeply disturbed by something in that past and perhaps there is some link to the present and future too.

19 posted on 12/04/2004 5:57:56 AM PST by Sal
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To: txrangerette

Danforth is an extremely rich man.........many generations.


20 posted on 12/04/2004 6:00:12 AM PST by beyond the sea (I know beyond a doubt ...... my heart will lead me there)
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To: Sal
What did the Clintons have to do to get a man with a very good reputation to front the cover up on their atrocity? --- An excellent question.

We'll probably never know for sure, but we do know that Filegate has worked very well for them. IF, if, if the lever they used on Danforth was blackmail, they could try to use it again. ---- Hmmmm.

IF Danforth just couldn't stand to be used for evil purposes again, perhaps he might preempt the attempt and avoid the whole situation. --- interesting thought.

His strange behavior and ruminations about Waco on Fox show a man deeply disturbed by something in that past and perhaps there is some link to the present and future too. -- I agree. I think he has severe regrets for taking the Waco "duty", and your thoughts about how and why he would take that job are interesting. And if what some of the FReepers (who feel that they know him) are saying about his fine character is indeed true, I think he may just have something to say some day on all of that.

Anyhow, his leaving so quickly from this position has an odd feel to it.

21 posted on 12/04/2004 6:08:21 AM PST by beyond the sea (I know beyond a doubt ...... my heart will lead me there)
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To: beyond the sea

Ann Coulter should replace Danforth !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


22 posted on 12/04/2004 6:16:10 AM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (Booo Hooo Hooo ... The new liberal battle cry!)
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To: MeekOneGOP


LOL!


23 posted on 12/04/2004 6:19:17 AM PST by onyx
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
Ann Coulter should replace Danforth !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL! Maybe a tag team match. Annie and Michael Savage!

24 posted on 12/04/2004 6:20:14 AM PST by beyond the sea (I know beyond a doubt ...... my heart will lead me there)
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To: beyond the sea
LOL! Maybe a tag team match. Annie and Michael Savage!


Sounds GREAT to me. We need someone less diplomatic in the UN. (Either that or US out of the UN; UN out of the US)
25 posted on 12/04/2004 6:25:14 AM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (Booo Hooo Hooo ... The new liberal battle cry!)
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To: beyond the sea
Doesn't Kofi look like he could be Eddie Murphy's father?

Ouch! That's gotta hurt! :^O



26 posted on 12/04/2004 6:25:20 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP! ©)
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To: beyond the sea
Even among people with fine character, there are few saints. The irony is that you can probably blackmail a fine person who slipped once more easily than a scum of the earth type who has no inner conflicts because he has no inner standards. The fact that he looked so conflicted on Fox actually may speak well of his character.

I do hope you're right and that he does finally speak out sometime. Maybe he'll save us like the SBVTs did and expose everything when Her Heinous--the real General in charge at Waco--makes her assault on our country.

27 posted on 12/04/2004 6:28:32 AM PST by Sal
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To: onyx
:^D

28 posted on 12/04/2004 6:29:14 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP! ©)
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To: bert; beyond the sea

You picked up on that, too. Isn't it interesting that the "deny, deny, deny" technique is a major Clinton legacy? In a short period we have witnessed its use by Annan/UN, Rather/CBS, and others that don't come to mind offhand, but all on the left. Did the "stonewall" really start with Nixon/Watergate, or with Clinton, etal-certainly Clinton was more successful in its use?

As for Danforth, he may be above accepting bribes, but if the speculations expressed by the article and comments prove out, Danforth should be less than the "institutionalized" politician that he is and show some leadership. But, he is what he is, thus we get that joke of a Waco investigation.

As for the UN, it is nothing more than a tool to redistribute US wealth abroad. US out of the UN, vice versa.


29 posted on 12/04/2004 6:35:28 AM PST by izzatzo
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To: MeekOneGOP
That's a great picture of Eddie.

I'm serious, put some makeup on Murph, gray up that hair, walk around all haughty, and voila -- KOFI the FRAUD! Eddie could do his life story.....last few years in exile.

;-)

30 posted on 12/04/2004 6:39:47 AM PST by beyond the sea (I know beyond a doubt ...... my heart will lead me there)
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To: Sal
The irony is that you can probably blackmail a fine person who slipped once more easily than a scum of the earth type who has no inner conflicts because he has no inner standards. -- You're very wise. That is so true!

The fact that he looked so conflicted on Fox actually may speak well of his character. -- yep.

I do hope you're right and that he does finally speak out sometime. Maybe he'll save us like the SBVTs did and expose everything when Her Heinous--the real General in charge at Waco--makes her assault on our country. -- Wouldn't that be sweet. Btw, is there anything other than Linda Tripp's supposed words on Larry King to prove that Hillary made Waco a "go". That sure would help in 2008. You know -- "Hillary for the (burning) children".

31 posted on 12/04/2004 6:44:25 AM PST by beyond the sea (I know beyond a doubt ...... my heart will lead me there)
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To: txrangerette
"I believe Danforth believed what he put out about Waco."

Strange indeed, considering no one else did.

Oh, but he's an "ordained minister."

32 posted on 12/04/2004 6:54:22 AM PST by Reactionary
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To: SoFloFreeper
France was put on the security council at the insistence of Churchill. At the time it didn't seem like such a bad thing since it stacked the security council more against the Soviets.
33 posted on 12/04/2004 6:56:03 AM PST by whershey (www.worldwar4.net)
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To: UncleSam
John Danforth doesn't need Kofi's money. His family is founder of Ralson Purina and if you knew Senator Danforth you would not even venture there.

I have gotten a lot of flack over my support of Senator Danforth over his Waco investigation. I don't know what the internal supporting information was that Mr. Danfoth uncovered but IMHO he could have been in the same situation with Clinton's information as President Bush was with the CIA and WMD.

In any case, I will repeat myself once more. Senator Danforth is an honest, moral and compassionate individual. His family has given much without any strings attached to our Country. I wish him the best in his return to St. Louis and his family.

I hope that his step down from the UN is the beginning of the end for the UN.

All the Best Senator Danforth!
34 posted on 12/04/2004 6:56:48 AM PST by not2worry (What goes around comes around!)
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To: izzatzo
Isn't it interesting that the "deny, deny, deny" technique is a major Clinton legacy? In a short period we have witnessed its use by Annan/UN, Rather/CBS, and others that don't come to mind offhand, but all on the left.

"others that don't come to mind offhand" -- So far it seems to be working for Sandy 'Fancy Pants' Berger too. Then on the other hand, maybe we are making a deal with sly little, sneaky Sandy that he can't refuse! ;-)

35 posted on 12/04/2004 6:57:09 AM PST by beyond the sea (I know beyond a doubt ...... my heart will lead me there)
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To: beyond the sea

So? Even makes it more ludicrous to hint he might be "bribable".


36 posted on 12/04/2004 7:01:50 AM PST by txrangerette
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To: Sal

What ugly speculation...


37 posted on 12/04/2004 7:03:13 AM PST by txrangerette
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To: Reactionary
Oh, but he's an "ordained minister."

Maybe when he was doing his "Waco Duty", he was a "deranged minister".

38 posted on 12/04/2004 7:14:46 AM PST by beyond the sea (I know beyond a doubt ...... my heart will lead me there)
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To: beyond the sea
Why wasn't Sandy Berger immediately arrested by the FBI?

What "deal" could he be making? He was caught red-handed.

The longer this goes on the more obvious it becomes that nothing is going to happen to this slug. The old "let it die on the vine" strategy.

But why?
39 posted on 12/04/2004 7:19:30 AM PST by JohnG45
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To: beyond the sea
When I posted that pic of him, I did notice the resemblance to Kofi, actually.

He might be really good to play that part.


40 posted on 12/04/2004 7:34:44 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP! ©)
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To: SoFloFreeper
France did NOTHING in the war. NOTHING, well, except for surrender.

Well Actually they fought against us and lost, that prompted Adolph to just invade France and occupy all of it.

I can see the rationale for the Soviets, Brits, and Americans. But France?? And when was China added?

Nationalist China was a member from the beginning, but they were a government in exile on Taiwan.

Were they in in '45 or were they added later?

Jimmy Carter Forced Taiwan to give their seat to mainland China, Thank You Jimmu

41 posted on 12/04/2004 7:38:24 AM PST by itsahoot (There are some things more painful than the truth, but I can't think of them.)
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To: beyond the sea

Bingo! I knew I was overlooking other examples, but can't believe I overlooked that little elf.


42 posted on 12/04/2004 7:38:54 AM PST by izzatzo
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To: JohnG45
The longer this goes on the more obvious it becomes that nothing is going to happen to this slug. The old "let it die on the vine" strategy.

I don't think so. I think something will be gained eventually by enemies of the Clintons by Berger getting caught. We'll see.

43 posted on 12/04/2004 7:48:24 AM PST by beyond the sea (I know beyond a doubt ...... my heart will lead me there)
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To: not2worry
I don't know what the internal supporting information was that Mr. Danfoth uncovered but IMHO he could have been in the same situation with Clinton's information as President Bush was with the CIA and WMD.

Big difference: WRT CIA and WMD, the CIA was the investigator and President Bush was the receivor of the information. WRT Mr. Danforth and Waco, Mr. Danforth was the investigator--IOW he was in the CIA position and not the President Bush position. It was his job to find the information and verify it.

During the investigation there two interesting deaths and one timely stroke. All of the vics were witnesses. Two were expert witnesses (FLIR) who were going to testify against the government's position. One was a Sheriff who had interviewed a Davidian survivor. See http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a390be01f6f9d.htm especially posts #6 and #12.

IMO these convenient and problem deaths should have given a hint that the investigator needed to do a little more investigating. OTOH it could have been something of a warning not to do a little more investigating. (I've never thought that Mr. Danforth was bought off with money.)

I agree with you totally in hoping that this resignation is the beginning of the end of the UN.

44 posted on 12/04/2004 7:50:24 AM PST by Sal
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To: MeekOneGOP

Yeh, they both can put that smart-*ss, glib, 'I could give a crap look' on their faces. Eddie would be a natural, and he'd love the part!


45 posted on 12/04/2004 7:50:25 AM PST by beyond the sea (I know beyond a doubt ...... my heart will lead me there)
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To: Sal; not2worry
During the investigation there two interesting deaths and one timely stroke.

---

One was Carlos Ghigliotti (FLIR) --- I think he was killed.

46 posted on 12/04/2004 7:52:38 AM PST by beyond the sea (I know beyond a doubt ...... my heart will lead me there)
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To: beyond the sea
I hearby nominate Bob "B-1" Dornan to be U.S. ambassador to the corrupt UN...

And let NO ONE censor him.

47 posted on 12/04/2004 7:54:53 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: jocon307

Didn't FNC say yesterday that his wife has some kind of medical problem? I know I heard this somewhere yesterday.


48 posted on 12/04/2004 7:56:29 AM PST by GOPyouth (De Oppresso Liber! The Tyrant is captured!)
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To: beyond the sea

It may be that his wife has just learned she is sick, tho' I think the corruption at the UN was also a factor.


49 posted on 12/04/2004 8:00:45 AM PST by expatpat
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To: F16Fighter

LOL!


50 posted on 12/04/2004 8:13:42 AM PST by beyond the sea (I know beyond a doubt ...... my heart will lead me there)
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