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Separating school from state
World Net Daily ^ | December 4, 2004 | Dr. Samuel L. Blumenfeld

Posted on 12/04/2004 6:55:55 AM PST by Mikey

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To: jonestown
(2) The establishment of a monetary system and a standard of weights and measures so that courts may render money judgments, taxing authorities may levy taxes, and citizens may have a uniform standard to use in their business dealings.

I consider public education a function of government insofar as it can be considered an extention of that. Beyond standard weights and measures lies a necessity for establishing a common language, terminology, grammar and syntax, and making it common knowlege, as well as the basic knowlege of mathematics and science needed to deal with the technology those business dealings will employ and rely on.

21 posted on 12/04/2004 10:59:00 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic; NormsRevenge

... we need to get them out of the indoctrination and social engineering business.
tacticalogic






The Proper Function Of Government
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"(2) The establishment of a monetary system and a standard of weights and measures so that courts may render money judgments, taxing authorities may levy taxes, and citizens may have a uniform standard to use in their business dealings."
Ezra Benson






I consider public education a function of government insofar as it can be considered an extention of that. Beyond standard weights and measures lies a necessity for establishing a common language, terminology, grammar and syntax, and making it common knowlege, as well as the basic knowlege of mathematics and science needed to deal with the technology those business dealings will employ and rely on.
21 tacticalogic






Which leads to the question, is there a government 'mandate'? -- :

Mission to Mandate Teaching of Constitution Inserted Into Bill ('Sheets' Byrd "fighting tyranny")
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22 posted on 12/04/2004 11:18:02 AM PST by jonestown ( JONESTOWN, TX http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles)
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To: Fishing-guy
Personally, I think the school system's problems are created by parents not getting involved in their children's education. If the parents don't care about their children's education in school, I don't think they will take the efforts with their education at home.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. While I completely applaud homeschoolers there are some people who, for whatever reason, can't, and others who just plain shouldn't.

The schools, teachers, and the district where I live not only encourage parental involvement and input, but expect it. I know because my child attends one of the schools, as do many of the children of friends.

23 posted on 12/04/2004 11:28:16 AM PST by Gabz
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To: Wonder Warthog
No longer. This was "once" true, when local school boards were controlled directly by local voters, and had complete say over hiring and firing and budgetary concerns. That power has moved from complete local control, to "county-wide" control, to state control, and is not-so-slowly moving to federal control.

Maybe where you live, but from where I come from the local school board elections are sometimes more highly charged and competitive than those for legislative offices. they also tend to attrack more candidates than legislative offices.

24 posted on 12/04/2004 11:34:14 AM PST by Gabz
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To: Mikey

The first step: end compulsory attendance laws.


25 posted on 12/04/2004 12:03:57 PM PST by secretagent
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To: jonestown
What constitutes a mandate?

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch18s35.html

26 posted on 12/04/2004 1:19:09 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Gabz
"Maybe where you live, but from where I come from the local school board elections are sometimes more highly charged and competitive than those for legislative offices. they also tend to attrack more candidates than legislative offices."

And where might THAT be?? That situation is certainly as rare as hen's teeth in today's "ed biz".

27 posted on 12/04/2004 2:18:14 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: tacticalogic

I consider public education a function of government insofar as it can be considered an extention of that. Beyond standard weights and measures lies a necessity for establishing a common language, terminology, grammar and syntax, and making it common knowlege, as well as the basic knowlege of mathematics and science needed to deal with the technology those business dealings will employ and rely on.
21 tacticalogic





Which leads to the question, is there a government 'mandate'? -- :

Mission to Mandate Teaching of Constitution Inserted Into Bill
Address:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1294314/posts
22 jones






What constitutes a mandate?

26 tl





Bills like the one proposed above by Byrd, are 'mandates' that overstep Congressional powers.


28 posted on 12/04/2004 2:27:24 PM PST by jonestown ( JONESTOWN, TX http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles)
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To: jonestown
Bills like the one proposed above by Byrd, are 'mandates' that overstep Congressional powers.

In that case, it will be ultimately self-defeating, but it will take a boatload of other stuff down with itself.

29 posted on 12/04/2004 2:34:02 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Mikey
Yes Mikey... you are absolutely correct but we have other evils lurking in the shadows as well. No place in the Constitution will you find authority for government to spend public tax dollars on a public school system. Nor is it possible to equate 'weights & measures' to those so-called free handouts from government.

Congress Critters like Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia (an illegal state) have turned the national treasury into public handouts in order to remain in office. And the citizens love and bask in it …while tossing their freedoms in a trash can.

The only way to justify a ‘public school system' is via the... "for the common good clause". That clause is so vague that government could funnel tax dollars towards private flower gardens, gas stations and grocery stores should it wish to do so.

Government DID NOT recognize or support a public school system from the signing of our Constitution… until 1817 - the founding of the New York Free School Society which later became the Public School Society of New York. Somewhere along the line our government has been high jacked.

In 1920 elected congressmen, who were all members of the Southern Jurisdiction of Scottish Rite Freemasonry, were able to convince the President of the United States to establish the cabinet level "Department of Education". The Secretary of Education was of course a freemason. To this day Freemasonry takes sole credit for passage of the "Smith-Tower Education Bill" which was the beginning of giving Federal Aid to Public Schools (Albert G. Mackey, Mackey's Revised Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, Vols 2, page 817).

During the Second Great Awaking... America was a Bible-Believing Christian Nation. People wanted their children to have a Christian education based on Christian Faith and Precepts of the Holy Scripture, primarily the Ten Commandments (John Daniel ”Scarlet and the Beast”).

In 1857 Scottish Rite Freemasonry took control of education in America by founding the National Education Association (NEA). NEA has controlled public education since that date. And thanks to NEA the Constitution of the United States is little more than a footnote in the classroom. My experience in working for a southern state teachers union leads me to believe that less than a small fraction of public school educators know the history of the field they work in.

Yes, other organizations played major roles in corruption of our public school system. The Progressive Education Association and John Dewey Association were founded in the 1930s to “Socialize America” with Socialist/Marxist educators known as “frontier thinkers”. Yes you are correct the communist manifesto clearly defines the take over of a nation's education system as a means to control that nation.

All who have ever attended public school are familiar with Scholastic Magazine. Between the late 1920s and mid 1930s Scholastic Magazine featured articles written by known Communists such as Langston Hughes and Harold Rugg. Rugg also authored numerous other communist articles. (District of Colombia Appropriation Bill for 1937, Subcommittee of House Committee on Appropriations, 74th Congress, 2nd Session, 1936, pp. 709-710, as recorded in Blackboard Power; NEA Threat to America, p.26).

In order to correct what is wrong with public education we will have to totally dismantle the entire system and start over. We would have to fire the "highly qualifed" with all the other lesser qualified teachers. I fear we will simply have to to learn to live with what we have simply because too many educators have lives and careers invested in a failed education system but which is very beneficial as a 'jobs program'.

30 posted on 12/04/2004 6:05:46 PM PST by Luke (a former teacher union employee who could not support intellectual dishonesty)
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To: Wonder Warthog
And where might THAT be?? That situation is certainly as rare as hen's teeth in today's "ed biz".

My reference "where I come from" is Delaware, I haven't lived in Virginia long enough to know how heated the school board elections get around here.

31 posted on 12/04/2004 8:47:23 PM PST by Gabz
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To: Gabz
"My reference "where I come from" is Delaware..."

Well, I my experience covers Louisiana and Washington, and it doesn't match yours. In those two states, the local boards have little effect on curriculum any more.

32 posted on 12/05/2004 3:18:34 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: SeanQuinn
a) lower rates to help out those less fortunate, so that the generation of children can do better then those of their elders

That's gonna be hard to do in NYC. The libs and teacher unions there are spending over $11,000 on each child and want to raise if to $18,100 per child. That's more than many prestigious private day schools charge.
33 posted on 12/05/2004 3:29:54 AM PST by Beckwith (John Kerry is now a kept man . . .)
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To: Wonder Warthog

I totally agree! We had a huge battle to put a phonics based
curriculum in our small rural school.

After one year the teachers dumped it - too much work
for them!


34 posted on 12/05/2004 3:44:53 AM PST by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13)
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To: Paridel

ping


35 posted on 12/05/2004 4:03:13 AM PST by June Cleaver (in here, Ward . . .)
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