Skip to comments.Brady/MMM: Will the NRA Tell the Truth about Military-Style Assault Weapons?
Posted on 12/04/2004 4:34:26 PM PST by TERMINATTOR
"This is not a gun you go deer hunting with."
Lawrence Keane, senior vice president and general counsel National Shooting Sports Foundation New York Times, 11-23-04
"They can be used for hunting. They are not any more
powerful, and they're not... you can hunt anything. People
hunt everything from deer to any type of game."
Wayne LaPierre, President
National Rifle Association
Hardball with Chris Matthews, 9-8-04
Washington, DC - The SKS rifle apparently used by the hunter to kill six other hunters in Wisconsin wasn't banned under the Federal assault weapons ban that expired September 13, but it should be banned for civilian use. Designed for use in war, even the gun industry admitted yesterday that it's not intended for hunting.
It may, in fact, be the first time the official spokesman for the National Shooting Sports Foundation has admitted that any military-style semiautomatic assault rifle is inappropriate for hunting. Lawrence Keane, senior vice president of the group, went further, and even told the New York Times that the SKS isn't a humane weapon for hunting deer. "The reason the SKS is not used by hunters, Mr. Keane said, is that it is designed for combat soldiers and is therefore underpowered for killing an animal like a deer with a single shot, the goal of good hunters," The Times wrote. "'The ethics of hunting are you don't want the animal to suffer needlessly,' Mr. Keane said."
Prior to the expiration of the assault weapons ban, the industry's spokespersons were unified in describing these types of weapons as perfectly normal for use by hunters. It was one of the industry's main arguments for letting the ban expire.
Since the ban's expiration, high-profile crimes involving assault weapons have already become more commonplace. Plano, Texas police are searching for members of a bank robbery gang that have opened fire on police with AK-47s, and that same weapon is believed to be the weapon of choice of a killer or killers who have shot eight people in West Palm Beach, Florida.
They've switched to calling the SKS an "assault rifle" instead of an "assault weapon". Even further from the truth! The SKS was never an automatic. "semiautomatic assault rifle" is a contradiction in terms.
little things like truth and logic will not stop the brady bunch and liberals in general.
Boy, that sure didn't take them long. Hope they get as much traction out of this as they did Columbine. So that psycho was using a Saiga, the sporterized variant? NOT an SKS?
Lawrence Keane should have kept his pie-hole shut.
I think they are correct, these monstrous weapons have to be controlled. They should reinvigorate their most worthy national campaign to get these weapons off the street, er, out of the woods. Should make it a campaign issue in 2008 in fact. Something has got to be done. And the people will support it. Yeah, that's the ticket.
I believe the police report called it a "Saiga SKS". That may be all we know about it.
Please, no facts.We're dealing with feeeeeelings here.
We lose the argument as soon as we concede, incorrectly, that the second amendment was about hunting.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
How can that be interpreted to mean "the government shall restrict the right of the people to bear arms to those appropriate only for hunting purposes"???
Since when is the US Constitution about recreation?
---and, hopefully will lose his job---as ignorant as he must be , he'd be a natural in, say, the airline industry--
Oh that the great myth that the 2nd Ammendment is for preserving the right to hunt, oh that the lie would just fade away.
Of course, anti-gunners don't care about the 2nd Ammendment. They don't care about what they need to say to gut it, either. Lies? No problem. Misstatements? Sure. Pathetic guilt-trip tearjerker stories? Bring 'em on!
No use preaching to the choir, though. If you are reading this post, you are very likely in agreement.
Hinkley shot the wrong Brady.
Even if it were an SKS, while not a deer rifle, the SKS is a passable hunting rifle for smaller game. It's an excellent, and cheap varmit rifle.
That's just wrong.
So I suppose if the sooter used a .300 Winchester, this would be preferrable? Tell you what, what if the shooter used a .50 BMG??? Would that be powerful enough? No, wait, it would be too powerful, obviously a military weapon. Now, if he shot those other hunters with a .270, that would be acceptable; after all, that makes for a nice deer gun, and since the gun wouldn't be a (gasp) AsSaUlT WeApOn, I suppose those six victims would have had a better chance.
Man, liberals are a stupid lot! Somebody needs to inform these pour ignorant souls that the Second Ammendment has nothing to do with hunting!
Translated by any sane person, that belies the grabbees "high-powered assault weapon" sobriquet, without even addressing their bogus "automatic assault weapon" designation for a semi.
I guess all hunters could give up their firearms and switch to bow and arrow or Wham-o sling shots.
Of course, the 2nd Amendment doesnt really have much to do with hunting.
Lawrence Keane was misquoted, and he is perturbed. I am trying to get him to post a correction on freerepublic, but I only emailed him yesterday.
PLENTY of people hunt deer with SKSs in Mississippi.
Exactly. Ya stole my post.
Guns were always intended for protection, whether personal or against a tyrannical government or against the wilderness.
Isn't it possible that this guy was just hunting and returned fire against other hunters who shot at him out of anger, saving his life by virtue of the fact that he was in better position?
I remember several years back that even the ACLU weighed in on a case where a poor family bought a gun for protection in the city and they defended them because it was the cheapest way to obtain protection. I wish I remembered the details.
Maybe the liberals at Brady/MMM should worry about the uncivilized third world garbage Teddy Keennedy/Dems and RINOs allow too flood into America.
If Kerry and his commie pals would have allowed the military and Nixon to win JFK's Vietnam war that LBJ screwed up, the Hmong tribesman like Vang would be back in SE Asia.
oh, but it is all about hunting...politicians!
..and Mr. Mineta (sp) ....why is this democrat still standing in the way of armed pilots?
Haven't you heard? PETA has gone after the bow and arrows gang too. In the UK, they're going after clubs; even fists if there is the intent to do injury to an intruder, and of course they're banning all the nasty blood sport hunting, too!
"Since the ban's expiration, high-profile crimes involving assault weapons have already become more commonplace. Plano, Texas police are searching for members of a bank robbery gang that have opened fire on police with AK-47s, and that same weapon is believed to be the weapon of choice of a killer or killers who have shot eight people in West Palm Beach, Florida."
1. Where are their citations? After all, truth is the first casulty of liberal activism.
2. An AK-47, in fully automatic mode, or with an oversized clip, is still illegal. In semi-automatic mode it's not any more lethal than any number of "non-assult" offerings.
3. In any case, somone who has shot 8 people wouldn't have been converted to a straight-laced Lutheran pastor by the removal of the AK-47, let alone the renewal of that Assult Ban. Ditto for the bank robbers.
The only way that gun laws actually work is if we send in the Marines and the go door to door, breaking down doors and collecting weapons. And that seems to be the intent of some who proposed more gun laws (the rest just want to be re-elected to office).
It doesn't matter what kind of gun it was. The constitution isn't about hunting and I don't remember anywhere in the document where it prohibited using military arms for hunting. BTW, while not my choice, the 762x39 works quite well on close range deer. You can even find non-milsurp ammo.
The SKS fires the 7.62x39 cartridge which is similar in power to the .30-30 which has killed more deer than probably any other cartridge. To imply that the SKS is fine for killing people, but not deer also overlooks the similarities in the two animals.
OTOH, there's the Saving Private Ryan scenario. Remember the bunkers? The Flamethrowers? Don't shoot! Let 'em BURN!!
I dont comment much but this is so much BS it really ticks me off.
This rifle is plenty powerful for killing deer.
I have an SKS and have used exclusively for deer hunting for years.
I have bagged at least 5 deer with it and never lost one.
This is a great rifle for deer hunting and very economical.
I paid less than $150 for the rifle and scope 10 years ago.
In fact I recently relocated from the east coast to Utah, and Im going
to use it here for the same purpose.
please put me on the ping list
How would the SKS be for a woman(not real big) for coyote hunting??
Ok, you're on.
They make a paratrooper model, which I believe has a shorter barrel length, and stock.
Would be perfect for a smaller framed woman to bag some coyotes with.
The, Second, Amendment, contains, only, a single, comma.
It all depends on how much you wish to spend, and how long a range you are interested in shooting at.
For about three times the price you can get a .223 savage bolt action that is three times as accurate out of the box.
Are you already a huntress, or just considering it?
We could start a separate thread on this and I estimate you would have a hundred posts in two hours. It is just an observable thing about freerepublic and gun questions.
The Second Amendment is NOT about hunting food.
It is about KILLING the en enemies of the United States of America - both foreign AND domenstic.
That is what scares the left and lawyers more than anything.
Then what about that Hmong guy in Wisconsin? He went hunting with a so-called assault rifle. But, actually, if you read the 2nd Amendment very, very, carefully, it says nothing about hunting. It's there so the individual can defend himself or herself from whatever comes along. Most certainly the government will not do that.
A rifle being "underpowered for hunting" depends entirely on the hunter. There was an old lady of legend up in northern Quebec who used to get a moose ever year with a .22 rimfire.
>> "Even if it were an SKS, while not a deer rifle, the SKS is a passable hunting rifle for smaller game. It's an excellent, and cheap varmit rifle." <<
I beg to disagree. The SCS is a decent deer rifle (particularly in the shorter ranges found on the East Coast). It has about the same ballistics as the 30-30, which may have taken more deer than any other single caliber.
It is less favorable as a varmint rifle. A higher velocity, flatter shooting caliber would be better.
Yeah. Those weapons are not for deer hunting, all right, but they're for defending your family against those two-legged critters who have them and are after you. Anyone with a brain understands that outlawing any weapon only makes the law-abiding citizen vulnerable to that weapon. Why do idiots think that passing gun laws that restrict law-abiding citizens will get guns out of the hands of the lawless? They somehow have a propensity to ignore laws;hence, the reason they are lawLESS. If I am being attacked by an assault weapon, I certainly do not want to try to defend myself with a peashooter. Why is that logic so hard to understand?
Read some of the background before posting such asinine garbage. He shot eight people, some multiple times, most in the back, including a woman and a teenage boy. All but one were unarmed and he was shot first. Vang is a stone cold pathological killer. He has a history of domestic abuse and has had trespassing citations since he started deer hunting in Wisconsin.
I stand corrected. I didn't have time til now to look into it.
Okay, I'll just have to use a Barrett or Smith .50 on both people and animals. What's ethical for animals has to be ethical for people too, right? Yeah, that's logical. Wouldn't want some perp to just lay there and moan if I don't shoot him through the heart on the first shot. I'll take my AK along for squirrels and rabbits. It's the ethical thing to do.
As what? A wheel chock?
Send her packing, if she isn't already!
Aha!! I just knew there had to be a trick.