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Brady/MMM: Will the NRA Tell the Truth about Military-Style Assault Weapons?
Join Together ^ | 12/3/2004 | Brady Campaign

Posted on 12/04/2004 4:34:26 PM PST by TERMINATTOR

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"This is not a gun you go deer hunting with."
Lawrence Keane, senior vice president and general counsel National Shooting Sports Foundation New York Times, 11-23-04


"They can be used for hunting. They are not any more
powerful, and they're not... you can hunt anything. People
hunt everything from deer to any type of game."
Wayne LaPierre, President
National Rifle Association
Hardball with Chris Matthews, 9-8-04


Washington, DC - The SKS rifle apparently used by the hunter to kill six other hunters in Wisconsin wasn't banned under the Federal assault weapons ban that expired September 13, but it should be banned for civilian use. Designed for use in war, even the gun industry admitted yesterday that it's not intended for hunting.

It may, in fact, be the first time the official spokesman for the National Shooting Sports Foundation has admitted that any military-style semiautomatic assault rifle is inappropriate for hunting. Lawrence Keane, senior vice president of the group, went further, and even told the New York Times that the SKS isn't a humane weapon for hunting deer. "The reason the SKS is not used by hunters, Mr. Keane said, is that it is designed for combat soldiers and is therefore underpowered for killing an animal like a deer with a single shot, the goal of good hunters," The Times wrote. "'The ethics of hunting are you don't want the animal to suffer needlessly,' Mr. Keane said."

Prior to the expiration of the assault weapons ban, the industry's spokespersons were unified in describing these types of weapons as perfectly normal for use by hunters. It was one of the industry's main arguments for letting the ban expire.

Since the ban's expiration, high-profile crimes involving assault weapons have already become more commonplace. Plano, Texas police are searching for members of a bank robbery gang that have opened fire on police with AK-47s, and that same weapon is believed to be the weapon of choice of a killer or killers who have shot eight people in West Palm Beach, Florida.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ak47s; assaultrifle; bang; banglist; gungrabbers; saiga; sks
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They still haven't figured out that it was a Saiga, an AK-47 variant, NOT an SKS.

They've switched to calling the SKS an "assault rifle" instead of an "assault weapon". Even further from the truth! The SKS was never an automatic. "semiautomatic assault rifle" is a contradiction in terms.

1 posted on 12/04/2004 4:34:26 PM PST by TERMINATTOR
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To: TERMINATTOR

little things like truth and logic will not stop the brady bunch and liberals in general.


2 posted on 12/04/2004 4:38:13 PM PST by Kidan (www.krashpad.com)
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To: TERMINATTOR

Boy, that sure didn't take them long. Hope they get as much traction out of this as they did Columbine. So that psycho was using a Saiga, the sporterized variant? NOT an SKS?


3 posted on 12/04/2004 4:38:17 PM PST by sinanju
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To: TERMINATTOR

Lawrence Keane should have kept his pie-hole shut.


4 posted on 12/04/2004 4:38:53 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: TERMINATTOR
Maybe if we actually punished the criminals who commit crimes with weapons we would get somewhere. Only one of the six people that the guy executed even had a rifle of his own. He's got a violent criminal history as well, something that none of his victims had.
5 posted on 12/04/2004 4:41:01 PM PST by Mojave Mark (The Democrats... gravitas free since '63)
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To: TERMINATTOR

I think they are correct, these monstrous weapons have to be controlled. They should reinvigorate their most worthy national campaign to get these weapons off the street, er, out of the woods. Should make it a campaign issue in 2008 in fact. Something has got to be done. And the people will support it. Yeah, that's the ticket.


6 posted on 12/04/2004 4:42:47 PM PST by Search4Truth (When a man lies he murders some part of the world.)
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To: sinanju

I believe the police report called it a "Saiga SKS". That may be all we know about it.


7 posted on 12/04/2004 4:46:25 PM PST by TERMINATTOR ("I believe in background checks at gun shows or anywhere" - GWB)
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Maybe if we actually punished the criminals who commit crimes with weapons

Please, no facts.We're dealing with feeeeeelings here.

8 posted on 12/04/2004 4:48:07 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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We lose the argument as soon as we concede, incorrectly, that the second amendment was about hunting.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

How can that be interpreted to mean "the government shall restrict the right of the people to bear arms to those appropriate only for hunting purposes"???

Since when is the US Constitution about recreation?


9 posted on 12/04/2004 4:53:31 PM PST by watchin (Democratic Party - the political wing of the IRS)
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To: Wonder Warthog

---and, hopefully will lose his job---as ignorant as he must be , he'd be a natural in, say, the airline industry--


10 posted on 12/04/2004 4:56:43 PM PST by rellimpank
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To: TERMINATTOR
"This is not a gun you go deer hunting with."
- Anonymous British Colonel, circa 1700's, upon finding those irritating Americans are pretty well armed, and pretty good shots on top of that.

Oh that the great myth that the 2nd Ammendment is for preserving the right to hunt, oh that the lie would just fade away.

Of course, anti-gunners don't care about the 2nd Ammendment. They don't care about what they need to say to gut it, either. Lies? No problem. Misstatements? Sure. Pathetic guilt-trip tearjerker stories? Bring 'em on!

No use preaching to the choir, though. If you are reading this post, you are very likely in agreement.


11 posted on 12/04/2004 4:57:10 PM PST by boycottliberalhollywood.com (www.boycottliberalhollywood.com - www.twoamericas.us)
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To: TERMINATTOR

Hinkley shot the wrong Brady.


12 posted on 12/04/2004 4:59:17 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (If God doesnt destroy Hollywood he owes Sodom and Gomorrah an apology.)
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To: PjhCPA; Iowa Granny; ohioWfan; Petruchio; SJackson; Rytwyng; Dr Snide; ozaukeemom; Graybeard58; ...
Ping to the latest from Brady, et al...

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13 posted on 12/04/2004 4:59:33 PM PST by Ladysmith (Wisconsin Hunter Shootings: If you want on/off the WI Hunters ping list, please let me know.)
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Even if it were an SKS, while not a deer rifle, the SKS is a passable hunting rifle for smaller game. It's an excellent, and cheap varmit rifle.


14 posted on 12/04/2004 5:00:44 PM PST by Melas
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To: sgtbono2002

That's just wrong.


15 posted on 12/04/2004 5:01:10 PM PST by Melas
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To: Kidan
It may, in fact, be the first time the official spokesman for the National Shooting Sports Foundation has admitted that any military-style semiautomatic assault rifle is inappropriate for hunting. Lawrence Keane, senior vice president of the group, went further, and even told the New York Times that the SKS isn't a humane weapon for hunting deer. "The reason the SKS is not used by hunters, Mr. Keane said, is that it is designed for combat soldiers and is therefore underpowered for killing an animal like a deer with a single shot, the goal of good hunters," The Times wrote. "'The ethics of hunting are you don't want the animal to suffer needlessly,' Mr. Keane said."

So I suppose if the sooter used a .300 Winchester, this would be preferrable? Tell you what, what if the shooter used a .50 BMG??? Would that be powerful enough? No, wait, it would be too powerful, obviously a military weapon. Now, if he shot those other hunters with a .270, that would be acceptable; after all, that makes for a nice deer gun, and since the gun wouldn't be a (gasp) AsSaUlT WeApOn, I suppose those six victims would have had a better chance.

Man, liberals are a stupid lot! Somebody needs to inform these pour ignorant souls that the Second Ammendment has nothing to do with hunting!

16 posted on 12/04/2004 5:03:16 PM PST by boycottliberalhollywood.com (www.boycottliberalhollywood.com - www.twoamericas.us)
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I note that even Keane says "the reason" it should not be allowed for hunting is that it is under-powered for hunting.

Translated by any sane person, that belies the grabbees "high-powered assault weapon" sobriquet, without even addressing their bogus "automatic assault weapon" designation for a semi.

17 posted on 12/04/2004 5:05:50 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: TERMINATTOR

I guess all hunters could give up their firearms and switch to bow and arrow – or Wham-o sling shots.
Of course, the 2nd Amendment doesn’t really have much to do with hunting.


18 posted on 12/04/2004 5:08:00 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Lawrence Keane should have kept his pie-hole shut.

Lawrence Keane was misquoted, and he is perturbed. I am trying to get him to post a correction on freerepublic, but I only emailed him yesterday.

19 posted on 12/04/2004 5:08:57 PM PST by marktwain
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To: TERMINATTOR

PLENTY of people hunt deer with SKSs in Mississippi.

MM


20 posted on 12/04/2004 5:09:47 PM PST by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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