Posted on 12/04/2004 5:17:59 PM PST by Mr. Silverback
Homosexual Agenda Ping.
Dr. J. Budziszewski's answers seem ok for a start, and I have no problem with secular or rational arugments against homosexual behavior. When discussing with someone who has no faith in God, it's a good idea to be able to speak about the myriad reasons why homosexuality is not normal, natural, or healthy - or good for individuals or society as a whole.
Anyone who hasn't yet can check out this for a whole bunch of rational arugments against normalizing homosexuality:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1026551/posts
Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links
And let me and ItsOurTimeNow know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.
God's perfect timing ping! (meant to do this the first time)
Accepting God's wisdom is a fine concept, but determining the nature of that wisdom presents more than a little difficulty. After all, lots of sincere Christians have justified lots of evil (chattel slavery in the USA, for example) by thinking it was sanctioned by God's wisdom. At a minimum, the Billy Graham approach seems appropriate: yes, engaging in homosexual acts is a sin, but no worse than any other sin, such as the sin of "pride." That sin of "pride" (the opposite of humility) might even ensnare a fair number of Freepers from time to time.
Fortythree posts already on a Saturday night? Maybe I should put a sexual content warning in all my thread titles!
Well spoken. Though reason is sometimes rooted in Scripture, a lot of times those who use it do not realize where it comes from.
Once we depart from Scripture as our basis for right/wrong, we can only wait until someone with stronger reasoning powers comes along to defeat our arguments.
I have a sister who is gay. She refers to me as a 'breeder'.
I refer to her as things I cannot repeat here. When I say them to her, she says I'm homophobic. I respond by calling her heterophobic.
This is a group of people who by all logic should be on the endangered species list, but through gay and pro-gay politicians, they have hijacked our schools, taught children that being queer is o.k., and promoted a culture of sin.
Billy doesn't have two daddies or two mommies. He has one of each. That's they way nature works.
I prefer the teaching of God's word on this subject:
Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.--Colossians 4:6
We are also counseled by Paul to be always ready to give an answer for the hope that we have.
There is a great gulf between questioning God's wisdom and asking questions about why things are the way they are. A faith that can't stand up to a reverent, curious question from a believer (much less a question from a skeptic) is of little value, and is certainly not the bold faith passed down to us by people like Aquinas and Augustine.
You're added! See you Monday.
http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=56646
For the Godless, even Mother Nature apparently has a problem with homosexuality.
No reason to worry about questions. See my post 47.
If the young woman mentioned in Colson's column had come to you and asked you those questions, that would have been your response?
If so, do you think she would have walked away with her faith stengthened?
Good point.
What is there in the article that's not consistent with what you posted here?
Huh? Please elaborate.
No probably about it. A faith that can't stand up to reasonable questions can't possibly be the real thing.
Sit back and consider for a moment, that I (and you, if you're male) have more DNA in common with a male chimpanzee than we do with any woman outside our blood kin.
Then come back to me.
Rich Mullens once said that being gay was either not as big a deal as many Christians make it, or those Christians should ditch all their fat friends immediately.
But then, though I don't treat gay people any differently than i treat any other "sinners" (read: people) I'll also point out that Paul makes it clear that homosexuality is a sign of a particularly degraded spiritual state.
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