% of Muslims in EU
Posted on 12/05/2004 4:06:02 AM PST by ml1954
Only a few years ago, mass-murder attacks on the West in the name of Islam, like those of September 11, would have seemed like a thriller writer’s fantasy. Nor would anyone have imagined that a bombing by Islamists could swing a general election in a European country, that a Dutch movie-maker might be shot dead on the street for a film about the abuse of women in Islam, or that one might find oneself watching, on television, the beheading of Western hostages by men crying out Allahu Akhbar! over their savage deeds....
At present, it is not clear whether the religious/ideological rage that is the motive force behind these developments has any limits, whether it may yet succeed in mobilizing truly huge numbers of Muslim masses, or whether it can be deflected or crushed....
Does this crisis amount to a “clash of civilizations”? ...
Today’s situation has been a very long time—centuries—in the making. For much of that time, of course, the encounter between Muslims and the West remained stacked in favor of the latter, both militarily and culturally. Which is not to say that Europeans of an earlier age were blind to the danger posed to Western civilization by a resurgent Islam. One watchful observer was Winston Churchill, who wrote about Islam—or Mohammedanism as it was then called—in The River War (1899):
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step, and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science . . . the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.
(Excerpt) Read more at commentarymagazine.com ...
Although it is bad, and I apoligize in advance to any Eurpoean visitors on the board, I think something like this is exactly what needs to happen in Europe. Until there is a major strike in Europe, a lot worse than a train derailmant, they are not going to wake up and start taking terrorism out of the Middle East seriously. There was a joke a week back or so with the Concorde slamming into the Eiffel tower. This, or something of the same magnitude, is exatly what needs to happen.
Ack! and Double Ack! Europe is nearly lost!
Will the French dames enjoy wearing their burkhas?
Will the Irish, et al be willing to give up drinking?
They need a revival of some kind over there STAT!
"You can slander the Irish all you want. However, you can be sure of one thing, that all the Irish will be dead before they surrender the Republic to Muslims."
Hey, I AM Irish (-American) and I drink, and I certainly hope what you say is true. But they got a lot of Muslims over there now, and for the life of me I don't understand why. Don't understand it about the Scandos either. I understand about the US, nation of immigrants, etc. The European countries that had colonies, I understand why they have an immigrant Muslim population now, but these other places, I'm clueless.
Suppose that is entirely true-it has just enough truth in it to keep it going-it does not explain the eurofascination with the "Palestinians".
I mean, why do they care about their little "Palestinians" AT ALL-never mind why SO MUCH?
They don't care about the Serbs. They don't care about the Kurds. They don't care about the Tamils. They don't care about the Papuans. They don't care about the Sudanese. They don't care about the Congolese.
What is it (other than their desire to wipe out the Jews) that makes the so-called Palestinians such a huge and obsessive object of European concern?
Or consider the European reception of Yusuf al-Qaradawi, heir to Sayyid Qutb as the religious authority of the Muslim Brotherhood. Wanted on charges of terrorism in his native Egypt, al-Qaradawi now lives in Qatar. Like Tariq Ramadan in Switzerland, he emphasizes that Muslims must keep apart from liberal democracy as it is practiced in the West while also availing themselves of its benefits and advantages. But he goes much further. Unlike Ramadan, he approves of wife-beating in the forms sanctioned by the Qur’an; as for homosexuals, he is agnostic on whether they should be thrown off a high cliff or flogged to death. Yet this year, in an official ceremony at London’s City Hall, al-Qaradawi was welcomed as "an Islamic scholar held in great respect" by the mayor of London, Ken Livingstone. "You are truly, truly welcome," gushed Livingstone, an otherwise enthusiastic supporter of gay pride.
European Ping
The Irish economy has been booming for the last 15 years. They simply need more workers. And I don't think the Irish have experienced any major problems with their immigrants.
"And I don't think the Irish have experienced any major problems with their immigrants."
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They are not there in large enough numbers yet.
Any western country which needs immigrant labour should consciously opt for Indians(Hindu), Chinese, Filipinos etc - anyone BUT muslims !
Any western country which needs immigrant labour should consciously opt for Indians(Hindu), Chinese, Filipinos etc - anyone BUT muslims !
Sadly, the truth is we (US collectively) are aiding the Muslim
Jihad against us. Even after 911, Iraq and all the rest, we still have leaders - including President Bush - who still don't "get it."
The percieved necessity of political correctness that leads us to at least pretend to see Islam as "The Religion of Peace" flies in the face of 1500 years of history.
The first step to resolving a problem is to recognize the problem. The US still does not recognize the problem. Europe doesn't even recognize that there is a problem.
They fought against the Anglicans/Episcopalians. Ionian Greeks, Armenians and Lebanese fought Muslims and for longer. Greeks had to escape (those who survived), the part of Armenia which was ruled by Russia exists. the rest is gone, Christians in Lebanon are reduced to minority (which will be destroyed after Syrian regime is "liberated").
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