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Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton strikes out (0 for 3 on the accuracy scoreboard)
Washington Times ^ | 12/04/04

Posted on 12/05/2004 6:31:54 AM PST by Libloather

Sen. Clinton strikes out

The day before former President Clinton's library was dedicated in Little Rock, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, the Democrats' front-runner for the party's 2008 presidential nomination, gave Fox News Channel's Greta Van Susteren her first sit-down interview since her party got pummeled in the last election. If Mrs. Clinton aspires to become president, it would be helpful for her to get her facts straight.

The junior senator from New York could begin by settling upon a consistent explanation for what happened to her party on Nov. 2. From one moment to the next in the interview, Mrs. Clinton offered two diametrically opposite views of the Democrats' electoral debacle. Mrs. Van Susteren asked, "What happened?" Mrs. Clinton replied: "Clearly, we didn't do a very good job." Later she understandably lamented that "two groups where we lost ground were women and Hispanics." After Mrs. Clinton complained about the spiraling budget deficit, Mrs. Van Susteren asked why the Democrats didn't win. Here, Mrs. Clinton did her 180: "Well, Greta, I think that we did a great job." So, which is it?

In addition to some help with rhetorical consistency, the Wellesley and Yale Law School graduate could use a course in contemporary American history. "[W]e have had a president who has been the first in our history to take us to war and cut taxes at the same time," she asserted, forgetting, we suppose, President Lyndon Baines Johnson. The 1964 tax cut, which President Johnson signed on Feb. 26, reduced income-tax rates in two phases. The range of individual tax rates was reduced from the existing 20 to 91 percent to 16 to 77 percent in 1964 and to 14 to 70 percent in 1965.

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That makes Sen. Hillary Clinton 0 for 3 on the accuracy scoreboard. Whatever it is, baseball, felony convictions or political rhetoric, Madame Senator, three strikes and you're out.

My guess - it won't be the last time...

1 posted on 12/05/2004 6:31:55 AM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

If her mouth is open, she's lying.


2 posted on 12/05/2004 6:34:36 AM PST by RippleFire ("It was just a scratch")
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To: Libloather
The junior senator from New York could begin by settling upon a consistent explanation...

Why? She's a Clinton and nobody holds a Clinton accountable for what they say versus what they do.

3 posted on 12/05/2004 6:37:49 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: Libloather

I wonder why people are still amazed, 12 years later, by Hillary's double talk. The woman is so versatile, her speeches are actually subject of study for the communist leaders of China.

"Yu Quanyu, director of the Chinese Academy of Social Studies, writes in the latest issue of "Ideological and Political Work Studies," a Communist Party propaganda primer, that Hillary should serve as a role model for effective use -- or is it abuse? -- of language.

"Communist Party cadres," Mr. Yu writes, "should study the speeches of Hillary Clinton because she offers a very good example of the skills of propaganda."


4 posted on 12/05/2004 6:40:29 AM PST by Quinotto (On matters of style,swim with the current,on matters of principle stand like a rock-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Libloather

This is why she gives so few unscripted interviews -- even friendly interviewers and basic questions reveal how thoroughly incompetent she is.


5 posted on 12/05/2004 6:44:15 AM PST by Ed_in_NJ (Who killed Suzanne Coleman?)
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To: Libloather
Here, Mrs. Clinton did her 180: "Well, Greta, I think that we did a great job." So, which is it?

Greta got hoodwinked. Hoaxed. That wasn't Hillary, that was John Kerry in drag. Who else could flipflop like that in a single setting?
6 posted on 12/05/2004 6:46:03 AM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: Libloather

Bill must be the brains of the family.


7 posted on 12/05/2004 6:47:58 AM PST by Innisfree
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To: Ed_in_NJ; Liz; Howlin
This is why she gives so few unscripted interviews -- even friendly interviewers and basic questions reveal how thoroughly incompetent she is.

I think she would also suck at debating...

8 posted on 12/05/2004 6:48:04 AM PST by Libloather (Piss off a leftist - wish them a MERRY CHRISTMAS!)
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To: Quinotto

Do you have a link for those quotes?

We will need that as reference when she does run. They will be useful, just like the links to her socialistic speeches and interviews in Europe (but never in the US, of course).


9 posted on 12/05/2004 6:49:11 AM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: Libloather

But .... I thought she was the smartest woman in the world? ;)


10 posted on 12/05/2004 6:49:29 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: Libloather
"two groups where we lost ground were women and Hispanics."

Don't worry Hillery, the Buchanan/Tancredo crowd is determined not to let the Democrats lose the Hispanics again.

11 posted on 12/05/2004 6:52:34 AM PST by bayourod (Bush said. "Let's see if I can say it as plainly as I can: I am for the intelligence bill.")
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To: All

12 posted on 12/05/2004 6:57:29 AM PST by alessandrofiaschi
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To: Libloather

If the Republicans are smart, they will start a dosier on her right now. When it comes time to run, it will be a simple matter to throw all this right back into the Hildabeest's face. Along with her "Health Care Reform" disaster when Billy Bob was President


13 posted on 12/05/2004 6:58:25 AM PST by stm
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To: Libloather

btt


14 posted on 12/05/2004 7:02:17 AM PST by lilmsdangrus
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To: Libloather

Hillary and many others do not want to admit why they lost.


15 posted on 12/05/2004 7:03:11 AM PST by etradervic (I love the smell of napalm in the morning. It smells like...victory.)
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To: Libloather
Yeah, but she's getting real good at cookie-baking (smirk).

Hillary will campaign for 2008 wearing the official
DNC apron, and give Easy-Bake oven demonstrations.

16 posted on 12/05/2004 7:06:03 AM PST by Liz
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To: Libloather

"Well, Greta, I think that we did a great job."

Me too! Keep it up in '06, Hitlery!


17 posted on 12/05/2004 7:06:30 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (W 1)
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To: Libloather
It will be fun whatching her try to ingratiate herself with the 'red' states.
Waiting to see her in 'camo'.
18 posted on 12/05/2004 7:12:07 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: RippleFire

Not necessarily.

She could be screaming at Bill.

And often, that's not lying...:)


19 posted on 12/05/2004 7:14:16 AM PST by rlmorel
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To: Libloather

Imagine Bill as the first lady....that alone should make her lose.


20 posted on 12/05/2004 7:15:24 AM PST by Ironfocus
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To: TomGuy

Tom, I just googled and found a link for that quote, I'd never read this before, very interesting...

Hillary -- an inspiration to Beijing
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=14524


21 posted on 12/05/2004 7:24:11 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: TomGuy; Alamo-Girl

Looks like FR's own Alamo Girl has had it catalogued all along!

http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:JmOM8hE-bWAJ:www.alamo-girl.com/0454.htm+Yu+Quanyu+director+Chinese+Academy+hillary+clinton+propaganda&hl=en


22 posted on 12/05/2004 7:27:23 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: Libloather

SHOUT IT LOUD !

  ... the 2001 and 2003 individual income-tax cuts doubled the child tax credit from $500 to $1,000; added the 10 percent tax bracket (chopping the income taxes of married couples and singles by $700 and $350, respectively); virtually eliminated the marriage penalty, saving tens of millions of married couples an average of about $1,500 per year; and reduced the quintessentially middle-class marginal income-tax bracket from 28 percent to 25 percent.
... according to an August analysis by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, in 2004 the share of individual income-tax liabilities of the second quintile (representing 21 to 40 percent of the household-income stream) will fall from 1.5 percent under 2000 tax laws to -0.1 percent under current tax laws. The comparable income-tax share of the third quintile (41 percent to 60 percent of the household-income stream) will fall from 6.4 percent to 5.4 percent. For the fourth quintile (61 percent to 80 percent), the income-tax share will fall from 15.3 percent to 15.2 percent. On the other hand, the income-tax share of the top 10 percent of the income stream will increase from 63.5 percent under 2000 tax law to 66.7 percent in 2004, following the 2001 and 2003 income-tax cuts.


23 posted on 12/05/2004 7:27:49 AM PST by larryjohnson (USAF(ret))
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To: Quinotto
I find your post very interesting...Please, could you reference it?

Thanks,

24 posted on 12/05/2004 7:28:12 AM PST by Osage Orange (Hillary's heart is as black as the devil's riding boots.................)
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To: Quinotto
Never mind.....

I guess I should have continued reading.

Sorry..........

25 posted on 12/05/2004 7:30:34 AM PST by Osage Orange (Hillary's heart is as black as the devil's riding boots.................)
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To: Libloather

I think she would also suck at debating...



Belive you're right. For most of her political career, she has managed to avoid unscripted venues that might prove embarrassing or reveal inconsistencies. This has unquestionalby been expedient for her, but it has not prepared her to run in '08. Her presidential rival will likely be far more skilled and prepared than Rick Lazio was. It will be fun watching this since Hilliary's debating skills are very suspect and she clearly hates being exposed and vulnerable. That having been said, her handlers will be sure to "coach her up" over the next few years.


26 posted on 12/05/2004 7:39:15 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Starboard
For most of her political career, she has managed to avoid unscripted venues that might prove embarrassing or reveal inconsistencies. This has unquestionalby been expedient for her, but it has not prepared her to run in '08.

Good point.

Hillary is the product of a time so distant now... She honed her skills in a different world. The leftist paradigm described by Saul Alinsky is inappropriate for the internet world of today. The organs of mass communication have changed utterly, and the means of mobilizing mass opinion are now highly decentralized.

This makes Hillary obsolete. Her echo chamber of sycophants won't let her know this, though.

The only danger is that Hillary and her cohorts on the far left may try to lash out at the internet as they come to realize that the jig is up. I don't know what good it will do them, but it still worries me.

(steely)

27 posted on 12/05/2004 7:48:00 AM PST by Steely Tom (Fortunately, fhe Bill of Rights doesn't include the word 'is'.)
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To: Semper Paratus
It will be fun whatching her try to ingratiate herself with the 'red' states. Waiting to see her in 'camo'.

Along with a sound bite about how she's been a hunter since childhood.

28 posted on 12/05/2004 7:54:25 AM PST by Spirochete
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To: Libloather
I think she loves the sound of her own voice and it really doesn't matter to her what comes out of her mouth. Truth, accuracy, forethought, are concepts she has no clue about. Blah Blah Blah, Yada Yada Yada, what ever form it takes, it's all music to her ears

I make it a point not to allow her to get into my TV.

29 posted on 12/05/2004 7:55:16 AM PST by Oreo Kookey (How, indeed, do we click our tongues at beheadings and look the other way from abortion? I weep.)
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To: Libloather
My guess - it won't be the last time...

I think it was Kathleen Willey in the last few days that delivered a shot across the bow when she suggested Madame Hillary remember the Swift Boat Vets and how in a run for the presidency, Hillary was apt to find a set of Swifties all her of the female variety.

30 posted on 12/05/2004 8:02:52 AM PST by stevem
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To: RippleFire

I like the one that says "IF HER LIPS ARE MOVING SHE'S LIEING"


31 posted on 12/05/2004 8:05:10 AM PST by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: Starboard
No debates will be allowed - just soft-ball questions to her as she sits "pretty in pink" on a raised platform under a portrait of honest Abe Lincoln

For those that don't remember, this was the gig where the Beast was interviewed in the Whitehouse by the press about her role in Whitewater

32 posted on 12/05/2004 8:11:40 AM PST by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: Quinotto
post #4 Great pull quote!...Well, Its' not surprising...She did study Mao and Stalin throughly for her character traits. (or lack of same)
33 posted on 12/05/2004 9:24:42 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: texasbluebell

I'm so very glad the Downside Legacy was helpful!


34 posted on 12/05/2004 9:34:02 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Libloather

BTTT


35 posted on 12/05/2004 9:38:58 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: TomGuy

Link is here

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=14524


36 posted on 12/05/2004 11:29:39 AM PST by Quinotto (On matters of style,swim with the current,on matters of principle stand like a rock-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Erik Latranyi

The slimy spin media doesn't care what she says .. she fits their agenda and they will either ignore or applaud according to that agenda.


37 posted on 12/05/2004 12:23:39 PM PST by CyberAnt (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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To: Liz
I WASN'T gonna do it.....but you made me! LOL!!!!


38 posted on 12/05/2004 1:19:04 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: Steely Tom; VRWCTexan
Hillary is the product of a time so distant now... She honed her skills in a different world. The leftist paradigm described by Saul Alinsky is inappropriate for the internet world of today.

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Steely, you've got a good point as well. With the bloggers out there, Hillary's allies in the media won't be able to totally run cover for her the way they could when the media enjoyed its monopoly over the news.

I think VRWCTexan (see post #32) is also on to something. Expect to see lots of interviews and speeches; debates will occur only out of necessity and under conditions of her choosing.

39 posted on 12/05/2004 1:21:22 PM PST by Starboard
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To: Brad's Gramma

This can't be true!!!!! Please say it ain't so!


40 posted on 12/05/2004 3:30:43 PM PST by XtreMarine
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To: XtreMarine

I have NO idea if that photo's been doctored...

And now, I have a REALLY ANNOYING KID standing here, wanting his computer back.

WHATABRADBRAT! :)


41 posted on 12/05/2004 3:36:17 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: VRWCTexan
No debates will be allowed -

I suspect that maybe her downfall. She doesn't speak well, and no training at this point will help her reputation.

The GOP candidate could be Lazio. Even he could smoke the Beast with real ideas - after she makes it through the dozen of other RATS who want to be president.

42 posted on 12/05/2004 4:49:34 PM PST by Libloather (Piss off a leftist - wish them a MERRY CHRISTMAS!)
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To: Alamo-Girl
I'm so very glad the Downside Legacy was helpful!

It's a great resource, and will be useful for many years, AG.

43 posted on 12/06/2004 7:00:18 AM PST by texasbluebell
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