Skip to comments.Union Square kicks out young carolers Grade-school kids get boot for lack of permit from city
Posted on 12/05/2004 10:01:45 AM PST by SmithL
Two dozen San Francisco schoolkids sporting white turtlenecks and Santa hats got a very un-Christmaslike civics lesson the other day when they showed up at Union Square hoping to delight Christmas shoppers with holiday carols.
"They just wanted to set up next to the Christmas tree and sing,'' said Donna Vargas, one of the parents who escorted the fifth- and sixth-graders from San Francisco Day School on Friday's outing.
Instead, they got the boot.
Seems they didn't have a city permit -- so after a brief run-in with the park's security, the kids were shooed away.
"How can children not be allowed to sing in a public park?'' Vargas fumed. "I can see if they were street performers or passing a hat. But they are not raising money or soliciting anybody.''
Maybe not, said Mary McCue, president of MJM Management Group, which oversees the square's security. But under city rules, any organized activity at Union Square requires a permit from the city's Rec and Park Department.
"We try to look the other way a lot, but this was just a big group,'' McCue said. "And there is a whole liability issue. If a kid falls on the step, they're going to automatically sue Rec and Park and me.''
Parents and bystanders were soon on the line to the mayor's office to complain.
(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
OBTW, scroll down to the last paragraph about John Burton's final press conference.
Yet shoeless crackheads get free reign to bug the crap out of us wherever we go downtown...
Now, that's stupid. Let the kids sing, for Pete's sake!
Of course, if they were ten years older, wearing dog collars and wife beaters, singing "Its Raining Men," they would be celebrated for bringing "diversity" to San Francisco.
John Burton... What a nut...
>>If a kid falls on the step, they're going to automatically sue Rec and Park and me.<<
Then bring a paper that the rep of the group signs for no liability and let them sing.
Mean people suck....
This encapsulates why I can never be a Democrat.
"And there is a whole liability issue. If a kid falls on the step, they're going to automatically sue Rec and Park and me."
So I take it that children are banned in TOTAL from the park, to prevent lawsuits?
After all, it matters not if they are a large group or an individual.
Sadly, California's major city governments do NOT reflect the opinions of most Californians. How these people continue to be elected for positions of management and
down-right common sense remains a mystery.
I don't see how my Aunt and Uncle live there.
He probably resented them calling it a Christmas Tree.
And that, as a justification, is just pure unadulterated BS
No that would ony happen if the opportunist were an atheistic Democrat with an ambulance-chasing trial lawyer in tow.
Had it been a group of fags in the park having a orgy, they probably would have allowed them to stay.
That's why I left.
Hey, there's a bunch of kids out in Chippewa Square singing right now.
This puts the people that organized the outing and the kids' parents in a difficult position. Do you tell the kids the truth, that some adults are just stupid and mean? Or do you make up an excuse so that the kids' respect for adults in general isn't diminished?
Moral Absolutes Ping.
A representative article about the hateful persecution of Christmas and those who want to celebrate it.
Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.
Note: For those of you who don't live on the west coast and may not be familiar with San Francisco, let me assure you that it is a filthy, vile place, and the sidewalks are crawling with incredibly stinky, repellent drug addicts, perverts of every description, offensive and aggresive beggars, thugs, and street musicians. Some of this human debris leave their excrement and urine wherever they please, as well as needles and other trash.
So the idea that clean, well behaved children are prevented from singing Christmas carols is nothing but nasty leftist hate and discrimination.
Ya think maybe that might be part of the permit process?
"Then bring a paper that the rep of the group signs for no liability and let them sing."
During the permitting process, a liability policy is required. A statement of no liability is almost useless in court.
That entire region of the planet needs to slide into the sea with a resounding splash. I feel no pity for these mentally diseased animals.
Are we in America? This makes me so angry. Wonder what is going thru the children's minds.
Everyones getting worked up over nothing. Most cities have policies that allow people to organize and conduct activities on government property if the group is small, say under 25 individuals. Over that, you have to get a permit, show liability insurance, add the city as an additional insured, etc.
The fact this happened to a bunch of young carolers is sad, but the adult organizers should not be laying the blame off on others when it was their fault for not checking with the city prior to the event.
"Ya think maybe that might be part of the permit process?"
Yeah, I do think that. I'm surprised a school would plan such an impromtu outing. I used to have to sign a permission slip in order for my kid to participate in her elementary school's Halloween parade. This parade consisted of walking around the block the school was on!
Most schools are obsessed with permission slips, I guess they don't realize other entities have similar concerns.
Everything you said is true, and yet people still come to the Cesspool by the Bay for family vacations.
That never ceases to amaze me.
>>Ya think maybe that might be part of the permit process?<<
Ya think someone could be a little less scroogie and let the kids sing?
Too much Government can kill the spirit of the season.
On the other hand, PETA and anti-war goons get a free pass courtesy of the gay marriage counselor/mayor of SF.
That's just the way socialism works. Your "freedoms" are defined by the state, I mean community. If what you want to do isn't on the list of approved freedoms, too bad.
present company excluded, I hope... :-)
Joe Hearst Photo.net Patron, dec 18, 2001; 07:34 p.m.
I am writing to you on behalf of the Mayor as the Liaison to District 6 in his Office of Neighborhood Services. I am sorry to hear of your inconvenience the night of December 16th. Yerba Buena Gardens, although public property, is privately managed by KTB Realty and Mr. Leon is employed by this management company. Much like any public park or public space in the City, all professional photo shoots must secure a permit or permission before commencing; this includes photography classes. KTB Realty welcomes any group to come take photos at Yerba Buena Gardens, but they do require notice ahead of time, this allows the management company to see that the needs of other visitors to the gardens are not overlooked while the photo group is using the grounds.
According to Mary McCue of KTB Realty, special arrangements can be made for photography classes. If you would like more information, you can contact her at 247-6500.
If you have any other questions or concerns, please feel free to contact me.
Lauren Do Liaison to District 6 Mayor's Office of Neighborhood Services 1 Dr. Carlton B. Goodlett Drive, room 160 San Francisco, CA 94102 phone: 415-554-6182 fax: 415-554-6474 email: firstname.lastname@example.org
Sounds like one of the city's $120K/year bureaucrats trying to justify her job.
San Francisco: More people on the public payroll per capita than any other city in the country..
As if we needed any further reminder of why SanFagcisco is one of Satan's open playgrounds.....
If it were ANSWER singing praises of the Soviet gulag, would you feel differently? They got to treat all the same. Now, if there were evidence of the city allowing this kind of thing in the same park with lefty groups, that would be a different case.
And what evidence do you base that on? Have he denied permits to carollers in the past?
This story should be title...."Union Square Grinches Give Grade-School Carolers The Boot."
Uhhh ... don't forget that this is the same mayor that began issuing gay marriage licenses in complete violation of state law.
I think the Christian parents -- however rare they might be in San Francisco -- will not get much sympathy from Mayor Newsome.
Burton is one of biggest major-league a--holes that ever walked the corridors of Sacramento. I hope he's out of office forever and spends the rest of his life in penance watching Fox News without an ability to change the channel or go to sleep.
I wouldn't let them stop me and my kids from singing. We'd just politely say okay, no problem and walk down the street singing our hearts out.
We don't want this to happen, of course, but if a terrorist dirty bomb ever detonates in a U.S. city, this depraved city and Las Vegas would be the terrorists first choice. San Francisco should form its own little country.
All they had to do was sing the carols in Spanish and no one would have dared to say anything. ;)
That whole liability issue was just a smokescreen being used to attack religious people!How stupid can one get to believe that, because any person there could sue for any lameheaded reason."San Fransissyco",another American city that trashes tradition.
If they had only said they were there to entertain the homeless out of compassion nothing would have happened.
Remember, in San Francsico only the motivation counts not the action itself. For example, Food Not Bombs has never been rousted for any of their stunts.
"Yet shoeless crackheads get free reign to bug the crap out of us wherever we go downtown..."
Last I heard, the city was handing out cash money. Is that still going on?
>>If a kid falls on the step, they're going to automatically sue Rec and Park and me.<<
Classic case of a 'rat projecting her own diseased values onto the community at large. This is why these germs thought Silky Pony was a good candidate...
What took you so long?
I would bet money that the city would welcome a few perverse holiday songs from the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence.
Personally, I think the line has been crossed. Time to water the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants and patriots. Yet we stand back calmly and rant and rave and watch them rewrite history, and destroy what few rights we have left and expect to win in a system loaded with activist commie judges. Sorry folks. It won't work.
Time for civil disobedience...at the very least.
Our Founders are rolling in their graves.
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