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Do Not Call list imperiled
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 12/5/4 | David Lazarus

Posted on 12/05/2004 10:30:28 AM PST by SmithL

About 66 million Americans have signed up for the national Do Not Call Registry, resoundingly declaring their desire not to be bothered by telemarketers.

"It's been a wild success," acknowledged Allen Hile, a spokesman for the Federal Trade Commission in Washington.

So why mess with it?

That's what the FTC says it may do in response to a petition from Voice Mail Broadcasting Corp., a Southern California direct-marketing firm that specializes in blitzing consumers with prerecorded phone messages.

The company argues that the Federal Communications Commission allows such calls under certain circumstances, which is true, and that all it wants is for the two agencies overseeing the Do Not Call list to be in harmony -- and, not coincidentally, to unite in authorizing prerecorded calls.

Not so fast, say consumer advocates. If the FTC changes its guidelines, people could be deluged with the phone equivalent of spam.

"It literally could open the floodgates to unwanted telemarketing," said Chris Hoofnagle, associate director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, a Washington advocacy group.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bestgovtmoneycanbuy; donotcall; donotcalllist; ftc; lobbyists; privacy; telemarketing
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1 posted on 12/05/2004 10:30:28 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

If the Do Not Call people share my phone numbers with those telemarketers, there's going to be hell to pay. Absolute HELL.


2 posted on 12/05/2004 10:36:11 AM PST by Prime Choice (I like Democrats, too. Let's exchange recipes.)
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To: SmithL
I'll listen to these calls - for $1 a min.
So what I need to do is write an application that answers the phone - allows friends, family and business relationship (the doctor) through but allows a marketer to opt in to leaving me his marketing message.

They would be asked for a credit card number and advised that they will be charged $1 per min with a 10 min minimum for premium service (meaning talking to me directly) or $.20 per min for normal service (meaning they can leave a message).
3 posted on 12/05/2004 10:36:53 AM PST by taxcontrol (People are entitled to their opinion - no matter how wrong it is.)
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To: SmithL

Bullsh*t! If I am contacted by anyone who use these telemarketers, the first thing I will do is call the store or business where it came from and inform them they just lost a customer permanently.


4 posted on 12/05/2004 10:43:19 AM PST by MKM1960
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To: Prime Choice
Ring-Ring... Homeowner: "Hello?"
Marketer "Yes... may I speak to the head of the household?"
Owner: "Why sure... just a minute..." (LONG dead silence)
Owner: "Ok... you still there?"
Marketer: "Yes." (frustrated tone)
Owner: "here's the head of the household..." (holding phone over toilet) FLUSH!!!...... CLICK!!!... Dialtone


5 posted on 12/05/2004 10:43:22 AM PST by Safrguns
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To: SmithL

Keep a whistle at the phone and give them a blast.


6 posted on 12/05/2004 10:48:47 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (If God doesnt destroy Hollywood he owes Sodom and Gomorrah an apology.)
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To: SmithL

The "Do not Call List" is an example of unrestrained government spending.

I do not have any relationship with telemarketers except for the fact that I just hang up.

Every one else can hang up also.

Look at the falling dollar, just to see the effect that unrestrained government spending has.

Anyone who supports the "Do not call" laws has no right at all to complain about government spending, because they are unable to give up their pork.


7 posted on 12/05/2004 10:53:57 AM PST by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: SmithL

To make a comment either for or againat automated recording sales calls, click here:

https://secure.commentworks.com/ftc-tsr/

I think the dealine for comments is January 5.


8 posted on 12/05/2004 10:54:55 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Mrs Mark

This makes absolutely NO sense at all.


9 posted on 12/05/2004 11:12:06 AM PST by sd-joe
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To: sd-joe

Everybody on the "Do Not Call" list should be asked to approve this first.


10 posted on 12/05/2004 11:17:06 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Safrguns; sgtbono2002
The article is about allowing pre-recorded calls to customers on the DNC list. These calls are made made innocent machines. These machines are not responsible for the humans that use them.

Abusing these machines when they call you is the same as kicking the ass of the gun that shoots at you.

11 posted on 12/05/2004 11:27:07 AM PST by Jeff Gordon (Now is the time for all wise men to gloat. FOUR MORE YEARS,)
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To: Mrs Mark
I do not have any relationship with telemarketers except for the fact that I just hang up.

The calls are sort of disconcerting if you have to pause having sex to answer the phone.

12 posted on 12/05/2004 11:29:26 AM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Semper Paratus
Everybody on the "Do Not Call" list should be asked to approve this first.

After I've been on the Do Not Call List, I have to tell them I Do Not Want to Be Called? Duh.

13 posted on 12/05/2004 11:31:17 AM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Jeff Gordon

"These machines are not responsible for the humans that use them."

Then lock up the humans that buy and plug them in!

When they are released they should be put on a list of people that are never allowed to have a telephone.


14 posted on 12/05/2004 11:33:46 AM PST by dalereed
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To: Mrs Mark

"Pork" is hardly the problem with Government spending.

It's the trillions in entitlements that are spent, on top of exploding discretionary spending.

I love how people will hoot and howl ove rthe $600,000 spent on studying the owl rat living on Grandma Gerties farm, but yawn at the $21 billion the Feds spend on education every year, not to mention Social Security and Medicare.


15 posted on 12/05/2004 11:35:12 AM PST by Guillermo (It's the 99% of Mohammedans that make the other 1% look bad.)
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To: Mrs Mark
Telemarketing had reached the point of unbridled harassment.

Other than spending on bombs and such, the "Do Not Call" list was the first good use of government dollars I had seen in a long, long time.

 

16 posted on 12/05/2004 11:37:32 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (I know a greag deal about the Middle East because Ive been raising Arabian horses" Patrick Swazey)
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To: SmithL

I've never understood how these idiots stay in business considering how everyone hates them.. yeah, ticking people off is a good way to get customers..


17 posted on 12/05/2004 11:41:50 AM PST by Awestruck (The artist formerly known as Goodie D)
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To: Mrs Mark
I do not have any relationship with telemarketers except for the fact that I just hang up. Every one else can hang up also.

This does not negate the annoyance of having to stop what you're doing and answer the phone, only to find it's someone intruding on your privacy - furthermore

all a hang up does is dump your number back into the system, only to be called again on the next go-round.

You must get the name of the person calling, then instruct them, per fed. law, to take you off the call list. They may comply - but will take up to 90 days to do so.

But you have to do this company by hundreds of companies. The "do not call" law takes care of that annoyance. (I worked for the largest issuer of Mastercard in the world - I learned more about the industry than I care to know. I will never own another charge card - only a debit card...which I look on as my own private credit card company - where I pay no interest, get no bill, never worry about the shenanigans they pull to zap customers with exorbitant rates/fees/ etc.

Credit card banks are one of the most destructive entities in history.

18 posted on 12/05/2004 12:02:28 PM PST by maine-iac7
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To: SmithL

hmmmm. None of the links for comments seem to be working. Does this mean that they can honestly say that they received no objections to the proposal?


19 posted on 12/05/2004 12:11:37 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: Awestruck
I've never understood how these idiots stay in business considering how everyone hates them.. yeah, ticking people off is a good way to get customers..

The only logical conclusion to me is that they are selling to other off duty telemarketers. ; )

20 posted on 12/05/2004 12:13:32 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: Psycho_Bunny

I agree with you on both points.


21 posted on 12/05/2004 12:42:59 PM PST by proudofthesouth (Boycotting movies since 1988)
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To: SmithL
I have been on the Colorado DoNotCall list since it was available... When one of these idiots call me now I do the following... I always sound interested but kinda stupid and ask for everything to be explained to me at least 3-4 times... I always try to get the call to last at least 30-45 minutes, which is real easy (ask questions, say things like "Really", WOW", "Ya kiddin me", "Why didn't I think of that", "Is this for real???")... I also try to get as much info as I can (Company name, address, city, state, Phone #)...

After as long as I can hold them on the line (and for some reason I cant find my wallet and then I try to find my Mom's wallet, ya can hear em drooling), I then inform them that I cant sign up for anything without talking to my friend... By this time I can burn an easy 30 min of the scums time, when I worked for MCI, I kept hearing from the Telemarketers Supe as I walked by was this "SIGN THEM UP OR HANG UP".

They make they money selling and hate to waste time so waste their time and then laugh as you hang up...

SLedgeCS

22 posted on 12/05/2004 1:08:01 PM PST by SledgeCS (Can anyone that is not a Muslim, defend Islam without laughing or regretting it later???)
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To: Jeff Gordon; SmithL
Anyone who supports the "Do not call" laws has no right at all to complain about government spending, because they are unable to give up their pork.

I don't agree with this at all... Pork is useless spending... Especially useless spending of federal dollars for local projects which don't benefit all states. This is one federal program I was glad to see implemented, and if you want to call it pork, then I'm a big fat pig.

SmithL,
The only thing more irritating to me than a telemarketer is an automated telemarketer... you cannot abuse them, waste their time (like they waste mine), or hang up on them with any satisfaction that they won't call back again. Any idiot who lets this go through as a valid loop-hole around the do-not-call list is just asking to put the phone book companies out of business... Because that's my next move... to go unlisted.


23 posted on 12/05/2004 1:18:55 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: EGPWS

alot like amway...snicker


24 posted on 12/05/2004 1:44:07 PM PST by Awestruck (The artist formerly known as Goodie D)
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To: Awestruck
alot like amway...snicker

LoL!!!

25 posted on 12/05/2004 1:47:41 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: Jeff Gordon
The article is about allowing pre-recorded calls to customers on the DNC list.

DNC? Does this mean the DNC can't call you? If so, count me in. :o)

26 posted on 12/05/2004 1:56:40 PM PST by Zack Attack
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To: sd-joe
This makes absolutely NO sense at all.

What part about expanding the government is over your head?

27 posted on 12/05/2004 2:29:27 PM PST by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: Safrguns
This is one federal program I was glad to see implemented, and if you want to call it pork, then I'm a big fat pig.

This is why the dollar is headed to the dust bin. No one is willing to have the government down sized, and live with in it's means.

Just as the stock market went thru the dot com bust, so will the dollar, because it is only backed up by thin air.

Would you take an IOU from someone in bankruptcy? That is what the dollar is, The only way to halt the slide is to cut government spending.

I too find the calls a pain in the rear, but the collapse of the dollar will be worse, and who will be taking the blame?

Surely not those glad to see the government expand.

28 posted on 12/05/2004 2:42:39 PM PST by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: Mrs Mark
So the dollar is going to go bust because of the federal no-call list? Please!
Don't get me wrong... I'm all for downsizing and the elimination of pork spending. I just don't think this program qualifies. 66 million people seem to agree.



29 posted on 12/05/2004 5:04:11 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: SmithL
the change wouldn't result in a tsunami of unwanted telemarketing. It would instead allow consumers to stay in touch with favorite companies.

"People like getting messages, but it has to be a relevant message," Crowe said. "If there's a place where you like shopping, you'll probably want to know when they're having the biggest sale of the year."

These people are despicable. What part of "Do Not Call" don't they understand? If consumers want to stay in touch with favorite companies, surely they know where the company is located in their area. And if it's a "place where you like shopping" then probably you shop there enough to see the signs about the "biggest sale of the year."

Do Not Call means don't call my house -- ever! If I want to do business with you, I will come to your store or find you online. I pay for my phone line, I pay for the phones attached to those phone lines. They do not have my permission to convert my equipment to their business use.

30 posted on 12/05/2004 7:55:04 PM PST by PistolPaknMama (Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that -- Mark Twain)
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To: SmithL
"It literally could open the floodgates to unwanted telemarketing," said Chris Hoofnagle, associate director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, a Washington advocacy group.

Somebody slap this guy. There are no "literal" "floodgates."

31 posted on 12/05/2004 7:57:42 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Mrs Mark
...I just hang up.

Every one else can hang up also.

That's just plain not true. My answering machine can't hang up. Then I have to sift through all of the harassing telemarketing calls each evening when I get home from work, trying to find the non-telemarketing calls. It wastes **my** time and money.

32 posted on 12/05/2004 8:00:42 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Safrguns
that's my next move... to go unlisted

Doesn't matter. They have systems that place calls in sequence....444-1212 then 444-1213 then 444-1214.

33 posted on 12/05/2004 8:02:24 PM PST by PistolPaknMama (Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that -- Mark Twain)
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To: PistolPaknMama
Oh great!....
Well, thank God for caller id!
34 posted on 12/05/2004 11:37:57 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Safrguns
So the dollar is going to go bust because of the federal no-call list? Please!

Don't get me wrong... I'm all for downsizing and the elimination of pork spending. I just don't think this program qualifies. 66 million people seem to agree.

Of course this is not the straw that broke the camels back, but it is a piece of straw.

Why should any other special interest group fold, when they all feel equally if not more entitled?

This is no different than any other situation where the NOT IN MY BACKYARD folks come out for something in THE OTHER GUYS YARD.

35 posted on 12/06/2004 8:33:48 AM PST by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
That's just plain not true. My answering machine can't hang up. Then I have to sift through all of the harassing telemarketing calls each evening when I get home from work, trying to find the non-telemarketing calls. It wastes **my** time and money.

Try to hit the "Next" button.

I do not doubt for a second that telemarketers are a pain.

My objection is with people running to the Feds and asking for a bigger government.

36 posted on 12/06/2004 8:39:08 AM PST by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: sgtbono2002

That won't work. It's a recorded message.


37 posted on 12/06/2004 8:42:08 AM PST by It's me
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To: Mrs Mark

One of the legitimate acts of government is to protect the property rights of citizens from other citizens who refuse to respect them. That's all the do not call list is, if the telemarketers had learned to take no for an answer everything would have been fine, but they wouldn't. It's no different than calling the cops because your neighbor won't stop throwing trash in your yard.


38 posted on 12/06/2004 8:44:49 AM PST by discostu (mime is money)
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To: Mrs Mark
Try to hit the "Next" button.

First explain to me how this doesn't use my time and money to do so.

If someone/multiple people were to come to my door five times per evening, during dinner, where all I would have to do is open the door and say "next", yes, I would also insist that there be some kind of recourse for me to put a stop to this. No, I don't consider trespassing and/or private property laws to be BIG govt run amok either. If we repealed trespassing laws we would save a LOT of govt. money trying to enforce them.

39 posted on 12/06/2004 8:55:19 AM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Mrs Mark

Please put down the crackpipe. Gently there... :P


40 posted on 12/06/2004 9:10:32 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

Preach it, bro!


41 posted on 12/06/2004 9:11:25 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: taxcontrol

I wonder what it would take to set up a 900 number? That way, irritating callers would be billed automatically.


42 posted on 12/06/2004 9:21:20 AM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Constantine XIII
Please put down the crackpipe. Gently there... :P

Go cry a river because your phone rings and all you can do is throw insults.

Really, you must be a liberal, for when logic fails them they also resort to insults.

43 posted on 12/06/2004 9:28:45 AM PST by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
First explain to me how this doesn't use my time and money to do so.

I suppose it also costs you time and money to take a dump… better figure out a way to get the taxpayers to refund you that “cost” also.

If someone is physically trespassing on your property go ahead and shoot him, if you believe a trespasser to be in your phone, feel free to shoot your phone.

Amazing how riled up people get when their pork is questioned, according to these folks the government can not waste a cent.

44 posted on 12/06/2004 9:39:43 AM PST by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: SmithL
I enforce my do not call list through caller ID and not answering the phone in the first place.


BUMP

45 posted on 12/06/2004 9:47:24 AM PST by tm22721 (In fac they)
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To: Mrs Mark

No, I resort to insults when people say fantastically silly things. :P

If you like being solicited, just post your email addy and you'll get your wish. But leave me out of it!


46 posted on 12/06/2004 9:57:17 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Constantine XIII
No, I resort to insults when people say fantastically silly things. :P

The Federal budget is out of control, is that silly?

The cutting has to start somewhere. Is that silly?

I have said many times that the Telemarketers are a pain. For the life of me I can not comprehend why you would even ask If you like being solicited, just post your email addy and you'll get your wish. But leave me out of it! unless you are purposefully not reading what I have said. My argument against the "Do Not Call" law has nothing to do with likeing telemarketers, and everything to do with starting somewhere in taming the government.

I suppose to some people cutting the government is "fantastically silly". Maybe they do no pay enough in taxes... beats me.

47 posted on 12/06/2004 11:01:06 AM PST by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: Mrs Mark

Tell me, then, what is the purpose of government?

What's legit?


48 posted on 12/06/2004 11:07:24 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Blue Jays
Hi All-

Rather than registering for a "Do Not Call List" for telephone customers, that should have been the DEFAULT setting. If people wished to receive calls from telemarketers, they could have been required to sign-up for that option.

That method would have led to maintenance of a much smaller list, as people who enjoy speaking with telephone solicitors are in the extreme minority.

~ Blue Jays ~

49 posted on 12/06/2004 11:22:30 AM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Mrs Mark
I suppose it also costs you time and money to take a dump… better figure out a way to get the taxpayers to refund you that “cost” also.

LOL!!!! I don't have to say any more!!! You just did a fantastic job of making yourself out to be a complete moron!!! Here, let me be sure that your point is well seen! LOL!!!

I suppose it also costs you time and money to take a dump… better figure out a way to get the taxpayers to refund you that “cost” also.

I suppose it also costs you time and money to take a dump… better figure out a way to get the taxpayers to refund you that “cost” also.

I suppose it also costs you time and money to take a dump… better figure out a way to get the taxpayers to refund you that “cost” also.

Any more **brilliant** statements that you'd like to make? LOL!!!

50 posted on 12/06/2004 11:26:19 AM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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