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Frist calls for review of abstinence-only programs (a cave-in to nosehair Waxman?)
KVIA ^ | Dec 4 04 | KVIA

Posted on 12/05/2004 6:12:38 PM PST by churchillbuff

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is calling for a review of federally funded sexual abstinence programs.

The Tennessee Republican told A-B-C's "This Week" program that federal officials should look into allegations that the programs give students false and misleading medical information.

California Democratic Congressman Henry Waxman says the programs give out false information about condoms and the effects of abortion. He also accuses the programs of blurring science and religion and getting fundamental scientific facts wrong.

Frist, who's a doctor, didn't directly address the issues raised. But he says the programs should be reviewed.


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1 posted on 12/05/2004 6:12:38 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

Every time I see that man I think of a weed whacker.


2 posted on 12/05/2004 6:13:19 PM PST by cyborg ( Hy verkwik my siel; Hy lei my in die spore van geregtigheid, om sy Naam ontwil.)
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To: cyborg

I have to try and remember if I left the garage door open.


3 posted on 12/05/2004 6:14:45 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: churchillbuff

from LifeNews: "Of course they should be reviewed,'' Frist said. "That's in part our responsibility to make sure that all of these programs are reviewed.''

"Whether it's abstinence or whether it's a condom or whether it is better education on the infectivity of how washing hands in terms of the flu, all of these are public health challenges that we need in terms of better education," Frist said on the ABC television show.

Frist also said he backs President Bush's pro-abstinence approach to sexual education.

In an October speech to the United Nations General Assembly, U.S. Ambassador Sichan Siv encouraged member nations to promote abstinence to combat the growing threat of the AIDS virus.

"The promotion of behavior change -- encouraging abstinence and fidelity -- is integral to our fight against HIV/AIDS," Siv said.


California Congressman Henry Waxman, a Democrat, released the report Wednesday contending that the abstinence education plans funded by the Bush administration teach "false and misleading information."

However, Kimberly Martinez, executive director of the Abstinence Clearinghouse, says the medical information used by abstinence only education programs, "are medically referenced back to peer-reviewed journals, and other reputable sources, such as the CDC or NIH."

Martinez also questioned a statement early in the Waxman report claiming a "scarcity" of programs that teach contraception and sex to children and teens.

"This type of contraceptive sex education has been in schools for more than 30 years," clarified Martinez. "In fact in 2002, the Kaiser Family Foundation published that 90% of all American high school students receive sex education before graduation."


4 posted on 12/05/2004 6:15:44 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

So what if they look at it. As long as they don't go with that liberal "abstinence Plus" crap, where oral sex, masturbation and homosexuality are considered "abstinence," then whatever. Look at it and pat yourselves on the back for having such a fine program. Better yet, end all sex-ed in the schools. Leave it to the parents and the churches -- places where moral teaching is not banned.


5 posted on 12/05/2004 6:16:45 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: cyborg

Presidential material, he ain't. ......although I'd surely get an argument from some around here.


6 posted on 12/05/2004 6:17:45 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: gov_bean_ counter

LOL !


7 posted on 12/05/2004 6:19:09 PM PST by NCjim
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To: churchillbuff
I don't mean to sound lewd, but I feel the best abstinence program is when students are shown pictures of genitalia infected with herpes and described to in detail of the symptoms. It's much more effective than this softcore Planned parenthood fluff.
8 posted on 12/05/2004 6:20:27 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell (See and decide for yourself)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Well if he wavers on this, what else will he waver on? I'm a bit skeptical.


9 posted on 12/05/2004 6:20:52 PM PST by cyborg ( Hy verkwik my siel; Hy lei my in die spore van geregtigheid, om sy Naam ontwil.)
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To: churchillbuff

I don't see a problem with Frist checking into this. If they are giving out false information, that needs to be corrected. However, if they are giving out correct information that bothers liberals, tough!


10 posted on 12/05/2004 6:21:24 PM PST by Freepdonia (Victory is Ours! (I told you so :-))
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To: churchillbuff

This crap is a distortion of what Frist said on This Week, this morning. And it looks like a lot of folks on this thread have fallen for it.

Sad.


11 posted on 12/05/2004 6:24:56 PM PST by jackbill
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To: LauraleeBraswell
I don't think it is lewd. It would certainly be as frightening if not more than the dental hygiene films they show.

Cankers are not pretty. *shudder*
12 posted on 12/05/2004 6:24:59 PM PST by annyokie (If the shoe fits, put 'em both on!)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
I don't mean to sound lewd, but I feel the best abstinence program is.....

Makes sense to me. They showed us car wrecks during drivers ed.

But convincing teens not to have sex would cut into the abortions industry's profit and we can't have that.

13 posted on 12/05/2004 6:26:39 PM PST by lizma
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To: churchillbuff

Why is it "ONE SIZE FITS ALL?" Schools have various classes offered to students in EVERY subject except sex education? How about different classes for different preferences?


14 posted on 12/05/2004 6:32:45 PM PST by eccentric (aka baldwidow)
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To: churchillbuff
This is exactly the right thing to do. Be sure they are actually teaching what they are supposed to. Fire anyone who is incompetent.

Of course this will never satisfy the libs. They consider abstinence education itself to be a flaw.
15 posted on 12/05/2004 6:32:55 PM PST by unlearner
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To: churchillbuff

I once heard Rush refer to Waxman as "Nostrilla".


16 posted on 12/05/2004 6:34:00 PM PST by lrvp99
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To: LauraleeBraswell
They did that in our 'small town' Kansas Jr. High. Problem was, they didn't tell the parents about it in advance.

I thought it would work, too, but by high school, the teens don't care about STD's.

17 posted on 12/05/2004 6:35:18 PM PST by eccentric (aka baldwidow)
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To: cyborg

Isn't he the guy who snorts all the cocaine at partys?


18 posted on 12/05/2004 6:35:52 PM PST by Boazo (From the mind of BOAZO)
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To: churchillbuff

Separated at birth or one in the same?

19 posted on 12/05/2004 6:35:59 PM PST by Bommer
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To: Boazo

How does the cocaine get past the hair?


20 posted on 12/05/2004 6:36:52 PM PST by cyborg ( Hy verkwik my siel; Hy lei my in die spore van geregtigheid, om sy Naam ontwil.)
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To: churchillbuff
Anyone think to check that the bogus info in the program(s) material might have been planted by the pro-condom-on-a-cucumber folks just to make the A/O programs look bad ?? It wouldn't be the first time... (Just read the first 50 pages of any 8th graders' history book for a clue)
21 posted on 12/05/2004 6:37:25 PM PST by xcamel (W2: Four more years of Tax Cuts and Dead Terrorists)
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To: lrvp99

only once? Rush calls Waxman "nostrilitis" every time he's in the news


22 posted on 12/05/2004 6:37:56 PM PST by eccentric (aka baldwidow)
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To: churchillbuff

I was watching the cable news story on this earlier this past week. It turns out some liberal special interest group found a series of mistakes in the abstinance education curriculum. They tried to make the point that the abstinence education was unscientific and false. An example: masturbation can lead to pregnancy.

However, on closer examination, you see something else. It becomes almost a case study on how the liberals can distort an issue.

They found about a dozen instances of unscientific teaching in the entire curriculum. These dozen instances were found in about 100,000 pages of curriculum material throughout the US. A dozen instances in 100,000 pages.

However, all that was reported was the dozen instances. Not the context. Not the fact that is was such a small fraction.

Two simple conclusions:

1. Yes, abstinence education could be improved, as can every other human endeavor.

2. Abstinence education is excellent if all they can find is a dozen mistakes or so.


23 posted on 12/05/2004 6:38:38 PM PST by 2ndreconmarine
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To: churchillbuff
California Democratic Congressman Henry Waxman says the programs give out false information about condoms and the effects of abortion. He also accuses the programs of blurring science and religion and getting fundamental scientific facts wrong.

Frist, who's a doctor, didn't directly address the issues raised.

Dumbass reporter. Waxman didn't offer any specifics so how could Frist address anything? Damn, these people are stupid.

24 posted on 12/05/2004 6:38:58 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all)
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To: churchillbuff

All Fed-funded programs should be reviewed, not just the abstinence programs. It is part of fiscal responsibility to do so.


25 posted on 12/05/2004 6:40:28 PM PST by jimfree (Check out school lunch and head start too.)
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To: eccentric
How about different classes for different preferences?

It's called school vouchers.

Makes perfect sense.

However, it won't happen because the real issue is control over education. And the libs are not about to give that up easily.

26 posted on 12/05/2004 6:41:37 PM PST by 2ndreconmarine
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To: 2ndreconmarine

If kids are engaging in mutual masturbation without condoms, they are still at risk of diseases and yes pregnancy if they are getting semen on their hands.

It all depends on what they do with those hands afterwards.

Think that is an extreme example? There was a girl in Houston last year who made local news when she and he friends had sex in a car. The couple in back shared a condom and told them to turn it inside out. Of course she got pregnant by the other guy...


27 posted on 12/05/2004 6:44:40 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: churchillbuff
Do condoms prevent AIDS and other STD's effectively ? The conventional answer is yes. The truth, according to the FDA, is "No they don't". In its publication "Consumer-Friendly Birth Control Information" the FDA reports the "typical" rate of failure for a condom in pregnancy prevention is 14%.

By an amazing coincidence the rate of failure when playing Russian Roulette is 16%. So if in your sexual exploits you happen to encounter a partner that is infected you have about the same safety having sex with them using a condom as you do sitting around in the evening playing Russian roulette.

Granted they are measuring pregnancy not STD transmission. It doesn't seem like a quantum leap though to figure out that STDs transferred via bodily fluid will see the same failure rates as pregnancy at a minimum. In fact it is easier to contract the Aids virus via intercourse than it is to get a woman pregnant. After all you don't have to hit the magic egg just transfer the virus.

So in all likelihood you are safer sitting around playing Russian roulette with your date than you are having sex.

Why then is there a strong resistance to teaching our children that abstinence is the best and safest way to prevent pregnancy and STD's. Why do our schools insist on teaching that using a condom is safe sex.

Would Americans tolerate teaching our kids that playing Russian roulette is an OK way to spend recess ? No way in the world. Instructing the kids that way would in all likelihood be a criminal act.

The only responsible thing is teach the kids that condoms are safer than not using them. However your best bet is avoiding people who are infected in the first place. Should you encounter a partner who is infected without a condom you have a 100% chance of contracting the infection. With a condom you have a 14% chance of contracting the infection.

28 posted on 12/05/2004 6:45:28 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now !)
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To: churchillbuff

what's wrong with masterbation...


29 posted on 12/05/2004 6:46:21 PM PST by ARA
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To: cyborg

That's where the weed wacker comes in.


30 posted on 12/05/2004 6:46:34 PM PST by Boazo (From the mind of BOAZO)
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To: churchillbuff

Sex education - not a proper concern of the federal government.


31 posted on 12/05/2004 6:46:36 PM PST by secretagent
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To: 2ndreconmarine
Support of gays pushed in schools (Posted on 11/30/2004)

Hundreds of students opted out of the tolerance training video, and another 324 students did not show up for school the day it was shown. The ACLU has threatened to file for a court order to enforce attendance.

Joseph Platt, a Cincinnati lawyer representing parents, said "mandatory training on tolerance for homosexuals violates the right of conscience of parents and students who believe such behavior immoral."


32 posted on 12/05/2004 6:48:04 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: churchillbuff

Well then, lets end federal funding.


33 posted on 12/05/2004 6:48:22 PM PST by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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To: secretagent

Socialists love social engineering. Especially using the schools to indoctrinate new voters. From the womb to the tomb, they want to own you.


34 posted on 12/05/2004 6:49:59 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: eccentric
You know, I have to kindly disagree with you, when you have "that type of thing" blown up in your face, Sex doesn't seem quite so harmless.

I mean, at least one kid in your school had to be shocked.

I feel your approach is this modern attitude that the "Kids are going to do it anyway." Of course, there are always some kids who are always going to do some things anyway. But that number can be reduced.
There is an invisible line called "The Standard." Some people reach the standard, some go beyond it and some just below it. And it's really always been that way. But when the standard is lowered for the ones who don't quite reach it, theres a identical effect on the ones who reach it. They get lowered, and the ones who go beyond it, they lower themselves too. Please have a little more faith.......
35 posted on 12/05/2004 6:52:33 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell (See and decide for yourself)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

There are plenty of those films around (and that type dates back to WWII at least). The CDC also used to contact your partners saying that they should get tested because they may be infected (doctors would not reveal "who" was infected but did ask for the names of anyone who the patient had sex with).

AIDS is a politically correct STD and such information is just not shared.


36 posted on 12/05/2004 6:53:54 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: weegee
Socialists love social engineering. Especially using the schools to indoctrinate new voters. From the womb to the tomb, they want to own you.

Not very sociable of them.

37 posted on 12/05/2004 6:58:14 PM PST by secretagent
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To: LauraleeBraswell

There is a reason that abortion advocates are against people seeing the "non-viable tissue" that is removed. It betrays their statements that it is not a baby.

Sometimes a picture really does tell 1,000 words.

The antiwar movement has pushed for any and all images of US military abuses in Iraq as well as images of dead US troops.

By converse, we STILL have not seen photos of dead bodies from the 9-11-2001 attacks. Did ANYONE really die that day?

Out of sight, out of mind rings true.

At least the "equal time" for exposure of images of infected genitals and mouth sores would counter porn's plastic surgery models and prostitutes.

Funny how the porn world engaged in ABSTINENCE (production was shut down) when they waited for some AIDS test results this year.


38 posted on 12/05/2004 7:00:01 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: cyborg
Every time I see that man I think of a weed whacker.

Nope. I have a better solution. Home remedy Rx for this condition. It really works!

One .22 bronze brush on a 17" Klean-Bore and swipes impregnated with Hoppe's #9 passed from ear to ear.

Followed by one pint of Drano siphoned into each ear canal.

Followed by a small does of liquid gel napalm inserted into each nostril and ignited by a Zippo.

If necessary, wash and rinse, and repeat as necessary.

Works every time I've used this recipe for nose-hair removal.

39 posted on 12/05/2004 7:00:52 PM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Bommer

40 posted on 12/05/2004 7:01:14 PM PST by Boazo (From the mind of BOAZO)
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To: churchillbuff

How many times did the Democrats agree to look into Republican complaints during the clinton years? As I recall, only when they were subpoenaed, and then they cooperated the absolute least they could manage.

Frist is a fool if he gives the Dems yet another grandstanding committee, all the leftist members of which will appear on the the MSM talk shows ad nauseam.

Just say "no," Bill. This story has no legs unless you help provide them.


41 posted on 12/05/2004 7:02:44 PM PST by Cicero (Nil illegitemus carborundum est)
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To: ARA
Joycelyn Elders allegedly got fired from the Clinton Administration for suggesting teaching masturbation. Actually she had accrued a number of gaffes before that suggestion.

If masturbation advocacy was so important to her that it cost her a job, why didn't she take it upon her shoulders to push the issue once she was in the private sector?

She could have even gotten Eric Clapner to contribute a song to the movement.
42 posted on 12/05/2004 7:03:12 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: churchillbuff
Some Abstinence Programs Mislead Teens, Report Says (Washington Post)

Followup rebuttal:

Abstinence Education

43 posted on 12/05/2004 7:05:12 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: Cobra64
I'm thinking wire brush 12 ga.mounted on a 3/8 drill with turpentine,And this works great for anal itch also!
44 posted on 12/05/2004 7:08:01 PM PST by Boazo (From the mind of BOAZO)
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To: Cicero

Furthermore, he needs to shave his muff-muncher from the upper lip. Is there a shortage of shaving cream in this country?


45 posted on 12/05/2004 7:12:35 PM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: eccentric

Actually, sex ed isn't a "one size fits all". In CA, for example, 5th grade -- there were 7 different sex-ed packages. The programs were geared to the socio-economics of the location in language, material, presentation, and. uh.. nuance.


46 posted on 12/05/2004 7:18:48 PM PST by Alia
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To: churchillbuff
I doubt if Frist's balls are visible without a tweezer and microscope.

WHY must the GOP insist on selecting political eunuchs to "lead" the party?

47 posted on 12/05/2004 7:25:09 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Boazo

You kwazy wabbit. OUCH!!! Reno, Helen Thomas, and Hillary could probably use this therapy once the hard-hats jack-hammer their crusty panytsuits from their thighs. Then stand back and make certain that there are a few 40 pound bags of lime close by; and you're performing this procedure upwind. Phewwww.


48 posted on 12/05/2004 7:25:52 PM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: F16Fighter

This review will turn out squeaky clean


49 posted on 12/05/2004 7:26:46 PM PST by The Red Zone
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To: churchillbuff
Well, for a few thousand centuries, no one needed to figure out sex, intercourse, whatever label you want to put on the act, of a male and a woman copulating. I figured it out all by myself 40 years ago. This whole sex-ed "training" is what I sarcastically call 'mental masturbation.'

My wife of 35 years have raised two children and have gran-children on the way. No one taught me how to poke my pen!s into my wife's vag!na.

If I ran a school, I'd ELIMINATE the entire "sex-ed" curriculum. It's disingenuous to anyone with a brain.

If you like this action. Go to Sao Paolo or Rio. They will show you how to roll a condom on a banana.

50 posted on 12/05/2004 7:33:50 PM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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