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By one measure, O.C. reddest of red (Orange County California has Bush's biggest margin of victory)
The Orange County Register ^ | Monday, December 6, 2004

Posted on 12/06/2004 8:45:20 AM PST by So Cal Rocket

The claim that Orange County is the country's most GOP county lost a bit of luster a few years ago when slipping Republican registration here meant it didn't even have the highest percentage of GOP voters in the state, let alone nationwide.

But the claim is back, and not because it has regained its ranking in terms of percentage of registration.

Rather, the county brought home November's largest margin of victory for George W. Bush. Of the nation's 3,066 counties, Orange County had the incumbent beating John Kerry by 222,593 votes. Second was Maricopa County, Ariz., with a 174,606-vote margin.

Large urban counties tend to vote Democrat, and numerous other counties found Bush winning by a higher percentage than the 60 percent here - Collin County, Texas, for instance, had Bush with 71 percent of the vote. And of course, Orange County's margin of victory was ultimately meaningless to Bush's win, since the state went to Kerry.

But it is a strong indication of how Democrat voters are outnumbered by Republican voters - enough to give Republicans here bragging rights once again.

"This is why we claim we're the most Republican county in the nation," said Scott Baugh, chairman of the county party.

(Excerpt) Read more at ocregister.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: bushcountry; bushvictory; california; orangecounty

1 posted on 12/06/2004 8:45:20 AM PST by So Cal Rocket
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To: So Cal Rocket

There is hope for California.


2 posted on 12/06/2004 8:46:29 AM PST by RockinRight (Liberals are OK with racism and sexism, as long as it is aimed at a Republican.)
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To: So Cal Rocket

I'm shocked. Media would have you think O.C. is New Beverley Hills.


3 posted on 12/06/2004 8:48:54 AM PST by SteveMcKing
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To: So Cal Rocket

Do something about Joe Dunn and Loretta Sanchez, then.


4 posted on 12/06/2004 8:50:10 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: So Cal Rocket

Didn't sanchez beat dornan in this district?? Bush must get the Hispanic vote


5 posted on 12/06/2004 8:51:34 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: GraniteStateConservative

Nothing I can do about them, they don't live in my district... they represent Santa Ana, which is about 80% Hispanic.

Dr. Coronado was a decent GOP candidate against Sanchez, but she still only got 39% of the vote.


6 posted on 12/06/2004 8:57:08 AM PST by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: So Cal Rocket

Must be that new evening soap opera "The O.C." that my wife watches that swayed everyone for Bush. What a pathetic excuse of a show it is!


7 posted on 12/06/2004 9:01:37 AM PST by pissant
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To: 1Old Pro

Orange County has a significant population, and the demographics are not the same district to district. Loretta Sanchez is but one of many (my fast guess: 7) Congresspersons from OC. Sanchez doesn't represent Orange County, just her district.

Some notable congressmen from OC include Dana Rohrbacher and Christopher Cox.

Sanchez' seat gets safer and safer -- a result of gerrymandering which makes all but a few congressional races statewide (in a state with 51 reps) competitive.


9 posted on 12/06/2004 9:06:49 AM PST by ER_in_OC,CA
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To: So Cal Rocket

Orange County is back? This is good news.


10 posted on 12/06/2004 9:08:48 AM PST by GVnana (If I had a Buckhead moment would I know it?)
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To: 1Old Pro

Orange County has 6 Congressional Districts, represented by:

40th: Ed Royce (R) - 68% of vote
42nd: Gary Miller (R) - 68% of vote
44th: Ken Calvert (R) - 62% of vote
46th: Dana Rohrabacher (R) - 62% of vote
47th: Loretta Sanchez (D) - 60% of vote
48th: Chris Cox (R) - 65% of vote

Interesting factoid... of these 6 congressional races, the Democrat with the LEAST number of votes cast was.... Loretta Sanchez (she won with 65,684 votes). Next lowest was J. Tilman Williams who lost (with 69,684 votes) to Royce's 147,617 votes.


11 posted on 12/06/2004 9:08:55 AM PST by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: So Cal Rocket

"Second was Maricopa County, Ariz., with a 174,606-vote margin."

My adopted home!


12 posted on 12/06/2004 9:14:46 AM PST by adam_az (Nov. 3, 2004: Our Republic is Secure!)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

As you are surely aware, CA has a congressional delegation several times that of your state. Therefore, our districts in many areas are very small in geographical size and are subject to incumbent-protecting gerrymandering.

This district was formerly held by Robert Dornan. He lost a very close election due to the following factors:
1) Over time, I believe the borders of his district shifted more toward a heavily hispanic area.
2) It is argued with some merit that Sanchez benefitted from illegal votes (ie non-citizens) generated by advocacy groups.
3) Dornan's reputation for hyperbole garnered him a growing reputation for being a bit of a nut amongst the general electorate.
4) The demographics of Dornan's district shifted to a greater percentage of some ethnic gropus who on average are more likely to vote Democrat.

Sanchez' district has become more safe because of demographics and because she is well liked by enough voters to put her over the top.

Orange County alone has more members of the House of Representatives than your state. The total is 4 -- I just checked, my guess above was wrong. So you may not experience how slight demographic shifts and/or district boundary movement of a mile or two one direction can change party control.


13 posted on 12/06/2004 9:18:21 AM PST by ER_in_OC,CA
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To: So Cal Rocket

Gaaaa! I forgot Miller/Calvert!

I'm already losing it since I moved to the Inland Empire!


14 posted on 12/06/2004 9:20:23 AM PST by ER_in_OC,CA
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To: So Cal Rocket; dagoofyfoot; AreaMan

OC, CA ping


15 posted on 12/06/2004 9:36:28 AM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I got a fever, and the only prescription is MORE COWBELLS!)
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To: So Cal Rocket

bump!


16 posted on 12/06/2004 10:05:47 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP! )
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Do something about Joe Dunn and Loretta Sanchez, then.

These thugs are direct beneficiaries of artful gerrymandering.

17 posted on 12/06/2004 10:38:27 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are really stupid.)
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To: So Cal Rocket; JohnnyZ; fieldmarshaldj; Kuksool; Clintonfatigued; Dan from Michigan; Coop; Impy; ...

"Orange County has 6 Congressional Districts, represented by:

40th: Ed Royce (R) - 68% of vote
42nd: Gary Miller (R) - 68% of vote
44th: Ken Calvert (R) - 62% of vote
46th: Dana Rohrabacher (R) - 62% of vote
47th: Loretta Sanchez (D) - 60% of vote
48th: Chris Cox (R) - 65% of vote

Interesting factoid... of these 6 congressional races, the Democrat with the LEAST number of votes cast was.... Loretta Sanchez (she won with 65,684 votes). Next lowest was J. Tilman Williams who lost (with 69,684 votes) to Royce's 147,617 votes."



Very interesting, and quite intentional. While all of California's congressional districts have the same population, Loretta Sanchez's CD is like 65% Hispanic and includes a lot of non-citizens, including many illegal aliens. Thus, it has fewer registered voters than the other OC districts, and Sanchez is able to win with a small number of votes. That's also the case in the other Hispanic-majority districts in California, as well as those in NY, IL, AZ and TX.

The Constitution requires an actual enumeration (the Census) of the inhabitants of each state, and those numbers are used to apportion representatives among the states and to draw congressional districts within each state. Excluded from the Census count are people who are not permanent residents of the state on Census Day, such as people who are travelling on that day or tourists from other countries. I believe that Congress should pass a law so that in the 2010 Census persons who are not U.S. citizens or legal non-citizen residents (legal residents, even if they are not citizens, are clearly inhabitants of their home states) are not counted for purposes of the apportionment of representatives, although they can be counted for other purposes, such as hospital funding, etc.).

By excluding illegal aliens from the count, it would eliminate the "rotten borough" districts in which only 100,000 voters, 400,000 legal residents and 250,000 citizens have the same representation as a next-door district with 300,000 voters, 650,000 legal residents and 600,000 citizens. It would result in states like California losing like 3 electoral votes, Texas losing like 2, Florida probably losing 1, and perhaps one or two other states losing EVs as well. And within those states, it would eliminate several Democrat congressional districts, since areas with a lot of illegal aliens would have fewer congressional districts than they do today (for example, there would surely be one fewer CD in South Texas and probably one fewer CD in Houston, and it would be Democrat districts that would have to go).

I think Congress should get cracking on this issue right away, since once President Bush's temporary-guest-worker program (which I conditionally support so long as it is clear that temporary guest workers won't be bringing in their families or qualify for eventual citizenship) is adopted, there will be an even greater increase in the number of non-residents aliens in the U.S., and the presence of such temporary workers should not affect the right to one-man, one-vote among the electorate. Maybe it can be part of the negotiation for the approval of the guset-worker program.

And while Congress is at it, it should amend the law so that it is clear that (i) U.S. citizens who are temporarily away from their home states are counted in the Census (thousands of Utahans were unfairly excluded from the count because they were serving one-year stints as Mormon missionaries abroad, even though they still voted and paid taxes in Utah), (ii) the sampling practice of "hot-deck imputation" (in which if no one answers in a house or apartment after several visits, the Census worker will assume that the house or apartment houses the same number of persons as the average persons per unit in the neighborhood), and (iii) college students and other persons who are temporarily in another state be counted only once, in their home state. Representation is serious business, and we can't let people play with the system and result in the disenfranchisement of millions of voters.


18 posted on 12/06/2004 10:44:47 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: So Cal Rocket

It doesn't really matter until they have enough extra votes to swing the rest of CA to red.


19 posted on 12/06/2004 10:57:22 AM PST by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: So Cal Rocket

Yeah Orange County!


20 posted on 12/06/2004 11:03:26 AM PST by occutegirl ("She is too fond of books, and it has turned her brain." ~ Louisa May Alcott)
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To: So Cal Rocket
County, Texas, for instance, had Bush with 71 percent of the vote.

Yeah! I am in Collin Co., Texas!

21 posted on 12/06/2004 11:15:35 AM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: So Cal Rocket
I know it's just anecdotal but the weekend after the election we were in southern CA. At Fashion Island (upscale shopping area) the "W'04" and B/C bumper stickers were everywhere. It was such fun to walk back to our car past one after another! (of course, there wasn't a Kedwards sticker in sight)
22 posted on 12/06/2004 11:42:16 AM PST by luv2ski
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To: AuH2ORepublican

It is *also* the case then, that with a good gerry mander, that Sanchez district could go away.


24 posted on 12/06/2004 2:05:41 PM PST by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

The Constitution requires an actual enumeration (the Census) of the inhabitants of each state, and those numbers are used to apportion representatives among the states and to draw congressional districts within each state. Excluded from the Census count are people who are not permanent residents of the state on Census Day, such as people who are travelling on that day or tourists from other countries. I believe that Congress should pass a law so that in the 2010 Census persons who are not U.S. citizens or legal non-citizen residents (legal residents, even if they are not citizens, are clearly inhabitants of their home states) are not counted for purposes of the apportionment of representatives, although they can be counted for other purposes, such as hospital funding, etc.).

By excluding illegal aliens from the count, it would eliminate the "rotten borough" districts in which only 100,000 voters, 400,000 legal residents and 250,000 citizens have the same representation as a next-door district with 300,000 voters, 650,000 legal residents and 600,000 citizens. It would result in states like California losing like 3 electoral votes, Texas losing like 2, Florida probably losing 1, and perhaps one or two other states losing EVs as well. And within those states, it would eliminate several Democrat congressional districts, since areas with a lot of illegal aliens would have fewer congressional districts than they do today (for example, there would surely be one fewer CD in South Texas and probably one fewer CD in Houston, and it would be Democrat districts that would have to go).

I think Congress should get cracking on this issue right away, since once President Bush's temporary-guest-worker program (which I conditionally support so long as it is clear that temporary guest workers won't be bringing in their families or qualify for eventual citizenship) is adopted, there will be an even greater increase in the number of non-residents aliens in the U.S., and the presence of such temporary workers should not affect the right to one-man, one-vote among the electorate. Maybe it can be part of the negotiation for the approval of the guset-worker program.




I agree 100%. This is vitally important to turn the tide back, so the Democrats are not REWARDED FOR SUPPORTING ILLEGAL IMMIUGRATION.


25 posted on 12/06/2004 2:10:03 PM PST by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: WOSG

"It is *also* the case then, that with a good gerry mander, that Sanchez district could go away."



The problem is that (i) the GOP does not control redistricting in CA, and probably will not do so again for the foreseeable future, and (ii) the Voting Rights Act requires that CA have a certain number of Hispanic-minority districts, and any reduction in the number of such districts would be seen as a violation of the Act. But if the GOP controlled redistricting, I think that we could draw two GOP-leaning Hispanic-majority districts in the OC, although neither could be as heavily Hispanic as Sanchez's CD. That's under the current rules, of course; if illegal aliens were not counted as inhabitants for apportionment purposes, there would probably not be any Hispanic-majority CDs in the OC and the most Hispanic district in the county would lean Republican.


26 posted on 12/06/2004 2:42:41 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: FrankWild; So Cal Rocket
There are hundreds, and maybe over one thousand, rural counties in the USA where Bush won a greater percentage than in Orange County.

Exactly. Great news that Bush won OC by lots of votes, but it doesn't stack up percentage wise with others, as you say. Especially in a state that supported Kerry.

I don't have the numbers at the tip of my fingers but, for example, Forsyth County in north Atlanta Metro voted approx 75%-80% for Bush, with several other counties over 70%. Cobb County, where I live, voted 68% for Bush.

27 posted on 12/06/2004 4:37:42 PM PST by NewLand (God Bless America and God Bless President Bush!)
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To: So Cal Rocket

That's one BIG county, thx for the info


28 posted on 12/07/2004 7:38:46 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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