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Winning over the Hillary haters
Financial Review ^ | Dec 7, 2004 | Raymond Hernandez

Posted on 12/06/2004 9:29:20 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

In a race for the US presidency, Hillary Rodham Clinton faces a problem that has dogged her since her days as first lady: an entrenched bloc of voters who simply do not like her. And her experience as a senator in New York shows that despite vigorous campaigning around the state since taking office, she remains an extremely polarising figure who is unable to sway these voters to her side.

One poll after another shows that roughly one in three New Yorkers has an unfavourable opinion of her, a statistic that has not changed since she took office in 2001.

Nationally, her standing is worse, even as her aides prepare for what is emerging as a possible bid for president in 2008. Roughly four out of 10 Americans disapprove of her, according to a recent poll by the Marist College Institute for Public Opinion.

The voters who disapprove of the former first lady are numerous and unshakable, and they have been around so long that they even have a name in political circles - Hillary haters.

She offered a revealing answer when asked recently whether Republicans might be hoping that she becomes the Democratic presidential nominee in 2008, since it would give the Republicans a divisive figure to run against.

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Clinton, who studiously avoids answering questions about her presidential ambitions, quickly responded. "We have a president who is quite polarising, and very successful, I might add," she said during an appearance on NBC's Today.

Her high unfavourability ratings may help explain why a discussion has begun among her advisers over whether she should skip a Senate re-election campaign in 2006 and instead focus all her energies on a race for the White House.

The most obvious challenge that Clinton faces in running for both jobs is a compressed political calendar that leaves her very little room to manoeuvre: the Iowa presidential caucuses are held just 14 months after election day in 2006.

If she sticks to the schedule that John Kerry followed during this presidential election cycle, she would have to give a clear indication of her desire to run for the presidency a mere month after her Senate race is over.

But that seems unlikely, some political analysts say, because the timing would be awkward.

Yet some people close to Clinton maintain that the tight calendar should not be a problem because she is such a big celebrity, and any presidential campaign she embarks on would instantly attract a huge amount of attention.

But other Democrats and independent political strategists say that her celebrity is a double-edged sword: while she does enjoy a level of name recognition other politicians crave, she has earned a reputation that, fairly or not, makes her a polarising figure among moderate swing voters, an important bloc nationally.

"There's work for her to do nationally," Marist Institute director Lee Miringoff says. "Beyond her appeal to the Democratic base, there is a need for her to build bridges to reach out to moderate Republicans and independent voters if she hopes to succeed."

The so-called Hillary haters became a harsh reality of political life for her when she ran for the Senate. Republicans built much of their campaign on trying to tap anti-Clinton sentiments in New York state.

No one factor accounts for the deep misgivings many voters express for Clinton, but to some degree it stems from a view that has taken hold, fairly or not, that she is a hugely ambitious woman with a liberal agenda that was most significantly illustrated in her efforts to overhaul the nation's health-care system during her husband's presidency.

She sought to counteract the damage posed by the anti-Clinton feeling by spending nearly two years travelling around the state in a calculated effort to force voters to re-examine what, if anything, is so objectionable about her.

Many Democrats and independent political strategists contend that she may have to do much the same nationally.

"To be successful nationally, she will have to defuse some of the negative feelings," Miringoff says. "One way to attempt that is to replicate what she did in New York with her listening tour."

A Democratic political strategist on Capitol Hill agrees. "She may have 100per cent name recognition," the strategist says. "But it comes with a certain amount of baggage."

Even after her victory in New York, Clinton has taken nothing for granted, continuing to travel around the state constantly, as if running a perpetual campaign.

The strategy has yielded dividends: her popularity rating among New Yorkers reached a notable 61per cent in September, compared with 38per cent in February 2001, according to a Quinnipiac University Poll.

Her approach has been particularly effective with undecided voters. The number of people who told Quinnipiac pollsters that they had no opinion of her has been dropping - to 7per cent in September from 33per cent in February 2001.

But tellingly enough, her tireless efforts around the state have done little to assuage the misgivings of many. The number of New Yorkers expressing an unfavourable opinion of her has been about the same - roughly one in three - in the 22 polls Quinnipiac University has conducted since 2001.

But her advisers contend that the poll findings have, in fact, been very good news for her, saying that many undecided voters became supporters once they got to know her.

"Show me a poll where she has lost ground," said one Democrat who is close to Clinton. "You can't. They don't exist. She has been gaining supporters both in New York and nationally since she took office by virtue of her hard work."


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1 posted on 12/06/2004 9:29:21 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I don't like Hillary Clinton. Let the Democrats nominate someone good, like Evan Bayh, Tom Daschle or John Edwards.


2 posted on 12/06/2004 9:30:54 AM PST by DoraC (Islam is no peaceful religion.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

So long as Hillary is not President I do not hate her. I don't like her, but I don't hate her.


3 posted on 12/06/2004 9:31:47 AM PST by PeterFinn ("Tolerance" means WE have to tolerate THEM, they can hate us all they want.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Sorry, But I am part of the group of Hillary Haters.


4 posted on 12/06/2004 9:31:59 AM PST by MeSpikeLibs
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I don't like Hillary. I don't hate her, either. I simply find her quite overrated, both in her supporters' opinion and (from what I can tell) her own.


5 posted on 12/06/2004 9:33:01 AM PST by RichInOC (Hillary! 2008: All Bill's Dishonesty, Half Of His Skills.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection; Corin Stormhands
Roughly four out of 10 Americans disapprove of her, according to a recent poll by the Marist College Institute for Public Opinion.

Way too low. We've got some educatin' to do before Nov 08.

6 posted on 12/06/2004 9:33:13 AM PST by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

"Roughly four out of 10 Americans disapprove of her . . ."
Frankly, I would've thought MORE disapproved of her. That figure is rather disappointing.


7 posted on 12/06/2004 9:34:27 AM PST by Old Grumpy
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To: Old Grumpy
"Roughly four out of 10 Americans disapprove of her . . ."

I'd say maybe 4 out of 10 approve, but not the other way around. No way. Unless you are polling the big cities only...

8 posted on 12/06/2004 9:36:01 AM PST by b4its2late (Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

"an entrenched bloc of voters who simply do not like her."

What's to like? And why does the MSM treat this as a huge puzzlement without ever exploring the justification for it? Or why her husband is so habitually unfaithful to her??


9 posted on 12/06/2004 9:36:03 AM PST by Spok
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

She might start by describing her qualifications for her current political station, save of course for the fact that she rode her husband's coattails throughout his career. Her ascention at Rose law mirrored his rise in power in Arkansas politics, and her elevation to US Senate is as a result of Bill's presidential popularity among the far left.


10 posted on 12/06/2004 9:36:12 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: DoraC

Something to think about...Evan Bayh...as much as everyone adores a "pretty" boy...votes with Hillary Clinton 90% of the time.....(remember John Edwards)......


11 posted on 12/06/2004 9:36:26 AM PST by smiley (Watch out Dems! I'm a William F. Buckley Conservative!!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

(((((((((((We have a president who is quite polarising, and very successful, I might add," she said during an appearance on NBC's Today)))))))))

President George Bush is not polarizing! He has never used "rich vs. poor, black vs.white, young vs.old, religious vs. secular" It's the Dems who have used those tactics for decades. Hilary Clinton is polarizing "coulda shoula woulda". What a poseur!


12 posted on 12/06/2004 9:37:45 AM PST by sodpoodle (sparrows are underrated)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
...that despite vigorous campaigning around the state since taking office...

HA! Her very few parachute drops Upstate could hardly be called vigorous campaining. Sheesh.

13 posted on 12/06/2004 9:38:42 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

She called me an asshole and I got rousted by her Secret Service detail during her little "Healthcare Express" tour pushing the HillaryCare debacle.


14 posted on 12/06/2004 9:39:19 AM PST by speed_addiction (Ninja's last words, "Hey guys. Watch me just flip out on that big dude over there!")
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
In a race for the US presidency, Hillary Rodham Clinton faces a problem that has dogged her since her days as first lady: an entrenched bloc of voters who simply do not like her.

Yes, this bloc has no rhyme or reason, they "simply" don't like her.

I didn't read any farther than that idiotic statement.

Another Hillary fan who no doubt assumes people are "afraid" of a strong woman, but then cries when the woman is asked to explain and defend herself. Oh, the unfairness of it all! It must be these "bloc"heads who simply don't like her! She shouldn't be called to account for anything! Let's crown her QUEEN!!!

15 posted on 12/06/2004 9:40:15 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: Old Grumpy

> Roughly four out of 10 Americans disapprove of her . . .

>>Frankly, I would've thought MORE disapproved of her. That figure is rather disappointing.

You take a poll for Hillary Rodham, and you tell her that her disapproval rating is more than 40%...and it's off with your head, dude.


16 posted on 12/06/2004 9:41:41 AM PST by cloud8
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Her high unfavourability ratings may help explain why a discussion has begun among her advisers over whether she should skip a Senate re-election campaign in 2006 and instead focus all her energies on a race for the White House.

She will skip the 2006 Senate election because she knows she will lose, just like Edwards did this year. Even IF she plans on running in 2008 she will run for re-election in 2006 if she thinks she can win.

Personally I don't think she can win her senate seat back, let alone the white house.

17 posted on 12/06/2004 9:41:54 AM PST by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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To: cyncooper

The problem is that she has a small percentage of voters that would elect her queen, and a larger block of democRATS that would vote for Donald Duck if he was on the ticket.


18 posted on 12/06/2004 9:43:52 AM PST by phil1750 (Love like you've never been hurt;Dance like nobody's watching;PRAY like it's your last prayer)
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To: All
'Rotso 'Ruck with that...

     



-Hillary Clinton- archives, comments, and opposition research --

-The Clinton Files--

-Murder, Inc. [repost] --

-ATTENTION BLOODHOUNDS--

-Women in the Clinton Era: Abuse,Intimidation and Smears--

Hillary's delegates spit on and taunt Police Honor Guard at her Convention

Catastrophic intelligence Failure - Clinton's Bin Laden GATE

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And yes, that picture is the one of Hill kissing Suha Arafat ( "wife" of The Littlest Terrorist ) after Suha had accused the Israelis of poisoning Palestinian children...

See tagline...

19 posted on 12/06/2004 9:44:02 AM PST by backhoe (The 1990's? The Decade of Frauds...)
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To: PeterFinn
I don't hate sHrillary, I just view her similarly to:

Heart attacks
Dog bites
Bubonic plague
Hemorrhoids
Flunking your drivers test
Having to go to the prom with your cousin
Sitting down in a theater seat only to find someone left vomit there
Having an impacted (& infected) wisdom tooth
Finding out your wife left you for another woman
Anal probes

I think you get the idea.....
20 posted on 12/06/2004 9:45:03 AM PST by rockrr
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

As countless talking heads have noted, show me ONE state that Bush won in 2000 or 2004 that Hillary can convert to the Democrat side. Florida pops up as the only possible battleground, with all the retired Blue State NY & NJ folks, but those blue-haired, ex-Manhattanite grandmas and grandpas weren't anywhere near enough to give Kerry the state, and I don't see Hillary doing much better.


21 posted on 12/06/2004 9:45:36 AM PST by scottybk (Asking Americans to vote for Kerry on defense is like asking a chicken to vote for Colonel Sanders.)
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To: backhoe

I'd like to see the Toons subpoenaed in the Oil For Food investigation.


22 posted on 12/06/2004 9:45:42 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: phil1750

Oh, that's not news to me. All too true.


23 posted on 12/06/2004 9:46:44 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Hillary Rodham Clinton faces a problem that has dogged her since her days as first lady: an entrenched bloc of voters who simply do not like her.

A "bloc" being defined as "anyone with a pulse."

24 posted on 12/06/2004 9:47:17 AM PST by IronJack (R)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
No one factor accounts for the deep misgivings many voters express for Clinton

There is a single factor: She is a Communist.

25 posted on 12/06/2004 9:47:53 AM PST by Ignatz (Stop me or I will ZING you again!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please let her run


26 posted on 12/06/2004 9:48:03 AM PST by Mr. K ((this space for rent))
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Hopefully, the Republicans will be able to recruit a viable candidate to run against her for Senate. If she loses that race, it would seriously cripple any intent that she has to run for President. One lesson that the Republicans need to learn, however, is that we can't just keep bringing up the old scandals. We don't have to ignore them, but we need to demonstrate how, on policy, she is out of step with the rest of America. If there is one lesson that we should have learned from the the Clinton Presidential election of 1996 and the just recently passed election, it is that you can't just campaign on hatred of the other candidate. You need a positive agenda and you need to consistenly and rationally point out how the other person is totally out of step with the accomplishment of that agenda.


27 posted on 12/06/2004 9:48:09 AM PST by PeterPhilly
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To: HamiltonJay

She can win the Senate seat back easily, as the RINO New York GOP, led by the feckless, inept dunce Pataki and RINO prince Gloomberg, will probably recruit the Nassuau County assistant to the assistant Deputy Dog Catcher to run against her. Just witness the folly of Mills v. Schumer, and other embarassments that Pataki & Co. have fathered. Hilary is a shoo-in in 2006.


28 posted on 12/06/2004 9:49:21 AM PST by scottybk (Asking Americans to vote for Kerry on defense is like asking a chicken to vote for Colonel Sanders.)
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To: speed_addiction
She called me an asshole

BADGE OF HONOR ALERT !!!

29 posted on 12/06/2004 9:50:00 AM PST by coder2
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I don't hate Hillary. It's just that her presidency would be a fascistic disaster for this nation.


30 posted on 12/06/2004 9:50:04 AM PST by My2Cents ("Well...there you go again.")
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To: IronJack

...anyone with a brain wave.


31 posted on 12/06/2004 9:50:52 AM PST by My2Cents ("Well...there you go again.")
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To: scottybk

Depends on who she runs against... Rudi still hasn't publicly said what he's doing over the next 4 years.


32 posted on 12/06/2004 9:51:46 AM PST by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"There's work for her to do nationally," Marist Institute director Lee Miringoff says. "Beyond her appeal to the Democratic base, there is a need for her to build bridges to reach out to moderate Republicans and independent voters if she hopes to succeed."

This is why Senator Clinton is likely to lead many House and Senate Democrats in the fight against various GOP plans to legalize illegal aliens.

33 posted on 12/06/2004 9:54:33 AM PST by Fatalis
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To: coder2

"BADGE OF HONOR ALERT !!!"

There is a pretty cool story behind her calling me an asshole if you would like to hear it. To quote her fully, she was walking by, stopped, pointed at me and said, "There is that asshole again!"


34 posted on 12/06/2004 9:55:10 AM PST by speed_addiction (Ninja's last words, "Hey guys. Watch me just flip out on that big dude over there!")
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To: speed_addiction
Geez, what a gracious former first lady /sarcasm off

But like I said, I would wear that title as a badge of honor --- much preferable to having her call you "her good friend, speed_addiction

35 posted on 12/06/2004 9:58:11 AM PST by coder2
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To: DoraC

The Wicked Witch of the Northeast

36 posted on 12/06/2004 10:00:31 AM PST by Free ThinkerNY ((((Say NO to Clinton))))
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To: DoraC
I don't like Hillary Clinton. Let the Democrats nominate someone good, like Evan Bayh, Tom Daschle or John Edwards.

Tom Daschle good? John Edwards good?

37 posted on 12/06/2004 10:01:32 AM PST by marvlus
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

The electorate is polarized into 2 camps: The Informed Voter and the Uninformed Voter. I suggest most of the support for Hillary comes from the latter group, hence their inability to understand why we don't love Evita.


38 posted on 12/06/2004 10:01:33 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
In a race for the US presidency, Hillary Rodham Clinton faces a problem that has dogged her since her days as first lady

Problem: She is Hillary Rodham Clinton!

39 posted on 12/06/2004 10:04:19 AM PST by DBeers
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"We have a president who is quite polarising, and very successful, I might add"

Oh my gosh. . .Hitlery COMPLIMENTED George Bush? Will wonders never cease. (Or is this just another of her ploys to 'remake' her image in preparation for '08?)

40 posted on 12/06/2004 10:07:21 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
In a race for the US presidency, Hillary Rodham Clinton faces a problem that has dogged her since her days as first lady: an entrenched bloc of voters who simply do not like her.

I have disliked her since day one. Hillary is the absolute, perfect personification of evil and the antithesis of everything that defines our precious country.

IMHO, she and her husband may well be the Anti-Christ.

Those who wish her to be POTUS are mentally weak and easily lead.

41 posted on 12/06/2004 10:07:46 AM PST by upchuck (My "just in time" supply chain for taglines is busted. Come back tomorrow.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
No one factor accounts for the deep misgivings many voters express for Clinton, but to some degree it stems from a view that has taken hold, fairly or not, that she is a hugely ambitious woman with a liberal agenda that was most significantly illustrated in her efforts to overhaul the nation's health-care system during her husband's presidency.

Well, yes, no kidding. Here we had an unelected, self-proclaimed "co-president" and these folks wonder why people regard her as ambitious? Meeting in secret with a hundred or so equally unelected "experts" to take effective control over the entire healthcare industry nationwide, top to bottom? This doesn't bother people? Good grief!

My beef with Hillary is that she doesn't seem to have discarded the socialistic leanings of her college years, and that placing her in a position to attempt wide-scale social engineering and put catastrophic redistributive economic policies in place would be a political disaster. Nor is it simply a matter of differing economic and social opinion - I do not think that a woman capable of torturing and crushing Billy Dale and of expropriating a thousand highly confidential FBI files for political blackmail (which was subsequently done ruthlessly in at least the cases of Hyde and Gingrich) is someone respectful enough of the powers of the office or responsible enough for their proper restraint. She isn't up to it, and "I want it" simply isn't sufficient reason for giving it to her.

42 posted on 12/06/2004 10:08:10 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Look, Hillary is not going to be elected president. She is a senator, and only three people have ever been elected directly from the senate(or the congress as a whole) to the white house - and they all died in office.

Next, the conventional wisdom, at this point, is that "Hill" has a lock on the nomination. Baloney. First of all, conventional wisdom, this far ahead of a major political event is oftentimes incorrect; secondly, she is a highly unlikable person. Shouldn't we just admit it: Hillary is gifted in her ability to make people seethe; thirdly, the last time ANY Democrat from an eastern, northeast state won the White House, it was Jack Kennedy in 1960. It should absolutely clear to the Dems that eastern liberal Democrats no longer can win national office. We shall see.

Perhaps Hill should move back to Arkansas?

The end for Hillary is nearing. Honest.


43 posted on 12/06/2004 10:12:22 AM PST by RexBeach
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To: Spok

I agree.

"No one factor accounts for the deep misgivings many voters express for Clinton, but to some degree it stems from a view that has taken hold, fairly or not, that she is a hugely ambitious woman with a liberal agenda that was most significantly illustrated in her efforts to overhaul the nation's health-care system during her husband's presidency."


Giant hurl! There is one factor -- she's a lying, communist skank. How hard is that to understand?


44 posted on 12/06/2004 10:23:03 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: speed_addiction

"To quote her fully, she was walking by, stopped, pointed at me and said, "There is that asshole again!""


The mental picture I have is one of the scene in "Invastion of the Body Snatchers" (the one with Donald Southerland) when pod people spot someone who is still human.


45 posted on 12/06/2004 10:25:05 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I prefer the word malevolence.


46 posted on 12/06/2004 10:30:33 AM PST by HaveGunWillTravel
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To: RexBeach

Caution: societies under extreme duress do strange things--e.g., giving an Austrian paper hanger command of the Wehrmacht. Like a hurricane, Hillary can only derive strength from unstable conditions. Until then, she must wait and wait.


47 posted on 12/06/2004 10:37:05 AM PST by qwertyz
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Hillary! has all of Bill's liabilities, but none of Kerry's warmth.

If she's getting 33% unfavorables in liberal New York, what do they think she will get in the red states?


48 posted on 12/06/2004 10:37:59 AM PST by RJL
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To: DoraC

I personally know two Democrats (both women) who held their nose and voted for Kerry (they would have preferred Howard Dean) because they did not want to see Hillary in '08. One woman believes Hillary is a phony who should have divorced the sexist, politically moderate Bubba and then come out of the closet to prove that she is a true liberal. The other Dem woman believes the Clinton minions like McAwful and Begala sabotaged Dean and Kerry's chances of being elected.

These women are die-hard lefties who mock Republicans every chance they get, (they don't do it around me anymore) but somehow they suspect what a lot of us conservatives have known all along about the Clintonistas.

I doubt Hillary can change their opinions of her without offending and losing the so-called moderate, independent voters out there who don't trust Her Heinous or her obnoxious, philandering hubby.

However, knowing the mindset of most left-wingers, I would bet that these two would hold their noses and vote for Hillary in 4 years if she were the Dem POTUS nominee.


49 posted on 12/06/2004 10:45:02 AM PST by demnomo
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***"One way to attempt that is to replicate what she did in New York with her listening tour." ***

Her "Listening tour" in NY State consisted of her NOT listening to anyone. No one could ask her a question unless it was submitted ahead of time, and nothing she did not want to answer was allowed.

Her opinion was never known on many issues.

Our local senior center asked for a volunteer to video tape her visit here, and my adult son volunteered. He went over to the center early and acquainted himself with their camera. Hitlery's SS men refused to let him do the videotape because her speech was only for seniors. What lies did she want to cover up?


50 posted on 12/06/2004 10:48:03 AM PST by kitkat
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