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Are We in a Kind of Civil War in This Country?
CHRONWATCH.COM ^ | DECEMBER 6, 2004 | JAMES CLIFFORD, SR.

Posted on 12/06/2004 12:45:36 PM PST by CHARLITE

According to Sunday's S.F.Chronicle, House Democrats meet tomorrow with UC Berkeley linguistic prof George Lakoff in hopes the wordwright can correct their spin. Watch this one!!!!

Lakoff is expected to advise the politician on what terminology to use. The big question is this: will the mass media follow? My money says it will. I have 40 years experience in the news media to back my bet.

Need proof? The media was powerful enough to limit "choice" to one subject. That alone should be cause for watching the "watchdog." Remember when the press was called "the running dog" of the establishment? Why don't we hear that anymore. Perhaps the running dog is dancing on its hindlegs, leaving little doubt who is playing the tune.

More timely, Lakoff suggests "right to marry" over "same-sex marriage." Does that mean the national debate should, in the interest of "equality," be expanded to include polygamy? We almost went to war over polygamy and thousands must live in that relationship. Will "kissin' cousin" take on a new meaning? These questions should have been asked a long time ago, but the press failed. Was it cowed, unthinking, biased or all of the above and more?

UC media high priest Todd Gitlin recently opined in Mother Jones that reporters are afraid of being accused of "liberal bias." He should know better than most that the mainstream media has a lot of little rivers now, thanks to the Internet and this kind of e-mail. The bully pulpit is gone, Mr. Gitlin.

I wonder if there was a media backlash in the last election, which was divided between "fly over" and "bookend states." How's that for terminology, professor? Flyover means "ignore them, they aren't worth looking at." It is a term of contempt from the bookends, New York and California, the media centers that keep the rest of the nation in line by telling it what to think. We are now split between those who say media "is" and those who say media "are." The gut says "is." It's defenders of the media who use "are."

It took a war to make "the United States" is common. Maybe we are in a kind of civil war now.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: article; brownshirtsforkerry; civilwar2; civilwarii; culturewar; democrats; electionviolence; internet; liberalbias; liberalmessage; linguistics; motherjones; proflakoff; sfchronicle; terminology; toddgitlin; ucberkeley

1 posted on 12/06/2004 12:45:37 PM PST by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE

Na. What we are seeing is what the democrat party is made of... escaped mental patients.


2 posted on 12/06/2004 12:50:49 PM PST by Nuzcruizer
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To: CHARLITE

Lakoff just does not get it. Of course the GOP did not win because of good ideas, good policies, and values that resonated with most Americans! The GOP won because of slick marketing and bamboozling the electorate with catch-phrase wording. Sorry, this type of thinking may have carried the day in the 70's and 80's, but the left no longer has a stranglehold on the language.


3 posted on 12/06/2004 12:53:12 PM PST by KC_Conspirator (I am poster #48)
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To: CHARLITE
Remember when the press was called "the running dog" of the establishment?

Now they are just the BARKING DOG......

4 posted on 12/06/2004 12:55:47 PM PST by Red Badger (If the Red States are JESUSLAND, then the Blue States are SATANLAND......)
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To: CHARLITE

No matter what's printed on the wrapper, if it's cr*p inside it's still cr*p whatever the label says.


5 posted on 12/06/2004 12:56:17 PM PST by Socratic (Death be not proud - but put on clean underwear.)
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To: CHARLITE
This author is about 40 years too late to see the obvious.

Back then, no one imagined that they would be able to run a presidential candidate. It was unimagineable.

6 posted on 12/06/2004 12:56:36 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: CHARLITE
"Eastasia is the enemy! Eurasia is our friend! Eurasia has always been our friend!" -- Winston Smith at the Bureau of Historical Correction in the novel "1984"
7 posted on 12/06/2004 1:02:48 PM PST by pabianice
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To: Nuzcruizer

It's a WAR of ideas!

But not to worry! We have fought the war on drugs for how long in this country? Anybody know the score on that one yet?


8 posted on 12/06/2004 1:10:23 PM PST by funkywbr
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To: CHARLITE

Kinda.


9 posted on 12/06/2004 1:11:57 PM PST by G.Mason (The replies by this poster are meant for self amusement only. Use at your own discretion.)
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To: CHARLITE

No I don't think so, YET!


10 posted on 12/06/2004 1:21:49 PM PST by JustAnotherOkie
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To: Red Badger
Now they are just the BARKING DOG......

More like a mongrel dog yapping at its betters.

11 posted on 12/06/2004 1:29:50 PM PST by aliquis
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To: aliquis

Mongrel dogs (the NEW media) are extremly smart, pure-breds (the old media) are difficult to house break......


12 posted on 12/06/2004 1:37:07 PM PST by Red Badger (If the Red States are JESUSLAND, then the Blue States are SATANLAND......)
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To: CHARLITE

No doubt these intellectually overproud folks think that a uni-professor will give them victory in the wordsmithing contest.

Us smallbrained western country clods can't possibly be good at communicating.

Sarcasm aside, I believe one of Bush's strengths is communicating, in short easy to understand concepts. Maybe he's got some "phraseologists" at work for him, too.


13 posted on 12/06/2004 1:38:55 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: CHARLITE

This isn't Fort Sumter.

The dream of the socialists for some now has been to divide the country into regions which would eventually become separate countries. Makes America quite manageable from their viewpoint.

Won't happen. This little imbroglio is a mosquito bite on the political landscape of this country.

Now, if Kerry insists on a duel with Bush, I may think differently, but even Hamilton's fatal bullet didn't dent the armore of this country. There were other more hideously nasty and brutal campaigns than 2000 and 2004.


14 posted on 12/06/2004 1:46:46 PM PST by OpusatFR (I saw mommy kissing Santa Claus under the Chrishanukwaanzramadan tree)
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To: CHARLITE
Now that "gay marriage" is "legal" in Massachusetts and undoubtedly soon in other (mostly "bookend") States, I am sure, does anyone think polygamy isn't far behind? I can afford more than one wife (I have none, at present), the question is, do I want more than one? Do the benefits outweigh the negatives? Some countries (most notably in the Muslim world) allow polygamy. Does anyone know how that is working out for them?
15 posted on 12/06/2004 1:52:54 PM PST by The Loan Arranger (The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: Red Badger

During Clinton's reign, they were a lap dog.


16 posted on 12/06/2004 1:55:23 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: The Loan Arranger
Why anyone would want two wives is a bigamistery.
17 posted on 12/06/2004 1:57:15 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: The Loan Arranger

Anyone who would want two mother-in-laws deserves them.


18 posted on 12/06/2004 1:57:40 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: CHARLITE

I don't believe it is a civil war ... yet.


19 posted on 12/06/2004 1:59:03 PM PST by clamper1797 (VA-93 --- CVA-41 Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72-73)
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To: weegee
Why anyone would want two wives is a bigamistery.

LOL! No doubt, it's hard to afford one!

20 posted on 12/06/2004 1:59:23 PM PST by GaltMeister (The only time a Democrat should be allowed in the White House is to visit the President.)
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nuts

21 posted on 12/06/2004 1:59:25 PM PST by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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To: CHARLITE

The loonatics are in charge of the RAT party. The only civil war going to happen is when demoRATS get tired of losing elections and throw the whackos out of the party.


22 posted on 12/06/2004 2:03:20 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: weegee

Bigamy is having one wife too many. Some say monogamy is the same.


23 posted on 12/06/2004 2:04:01 PM PST by GaltMeister (The only time a Democrat should be allowed in the White House is to visit the President.)
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To: CHARLITE
The big question is this: will the mass media follow? My money says it will. I have 40 years experience in the news media to back my bet.

The "mass media" took an astounding hit today. Fox News is moving to radio, with top-of-the-hour news summaries. Fox will now be taking over as news provider for a zillion Clear Channel radio stations. The takeover will happen as current contracts for ABC, CBS, etc., run out.

Do you have any idea how many people get the totality of their news on the car radio druing the drive to and from work? The importance of this announcement by Fox News and Clear Channel cannot be overstated.

24 posted on 12/06/2004 2:06:29 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: CHARLITE

Charlite: thank you for posting. Fascinating.

The guy is a linguist, but what he's talking about is spin and not addressing the real issues.


25 posted on 12/06/2004 2:10:00 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: CHARLITE
The democrats need to run someone for office that isn't a lying traitor, serial molester, ambulance chaser or other whackjob.

They are in denial. The democrats lost the race for one simple reason. John Kerry was a loser. John Edwards was worse. Kerry';s nutty wife didn't help at all.

My real question is how does John Kerry pay off a $6,000,000 mortgage on a salary of $155,000 a year?
26 posted on 12/06/2004 2:11:21 PM PST by Beckwith (John Kerry is now a kept man . . .)
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To: The Loan Arranger

I dont know but I always thought it would be nice to have another woman or two around here to help out. As long as I am TOP wife!


27 posted on 12/06/2004 3:19:06 PM PST by mlmr (Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Chri)
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To: CHARLITE

I don't think "flyover country" was a smart PR term. I think it was effete liberal snobbery at work, talking among themselves. Now it's coming back to bite them in the *ss, because the phrase illustrates for all to see how these people look down on the rest of us ordinary folks.


28 posted on 12/06/2004 4:10:13 PM PST by Cicero (Nil illegitemus carborundum est)
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To: Lancey Howard
It's already been underway. I noticed that 950AM KPRC in Houston (which canceled Dan Rather's short piece after the National Guard memo hoax) has switched from CBS to Fox News.

Better late than never I guess.

The MSM is getting smacked down. ABC News will have to wipe that smug "more Americans get their news from ABC than anyplace else" off of their adverts. If it wasn't for Paul Harvey Goodday, quite of few stations wouldn't even subscribe to ABC news.

A shame that CBS had to be so partisan. They did a 10 minute news break in the mornings that gave you more news than you would find in a 30 minute "Evening News" broadcast (not saying much, I know).

A more objective report could point to a better way of doing shorter news reports, more frequently, on tv and radio.

Here in Houston, the local Fox broadcast affiliate boasts of a 4 hour morning show. Not much NEWS in that 4 hours of programming. Quite a few traffic reports, some entertainment fluff, maybe some police report stories, some home improvement makeovers...
29 posted on 12/06/2004 7:08:15 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: Beckwith

As unfit as John Kerry was for the White House, John Edwards in no way was capable of holding the office of the Presidency which is quite a possibility in our current war against terrorists.

Without the media help, lies, and distortions, it never would have been that close. Not even.


30 posted on 12/06/2004 7:10:36 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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