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Ex-Mexico president's brother found dead
modbee ^ | 12-6-04

Posted on 12/06/2004 5:59:59 PM PST by LouAvul

MEXICO CITY (AP) - Enrique Salinas, the youngest brother of former Mexican president Carlos Salinas de Gortari, was found dead in a car on the outskirts of Mexico City on Monday, with a plastic bag tied over his head in an apparent murder, officials said.

Authorities said there indications that Salinas had been killed as part of an attempt to extort him or get information out of him.

"Generally, if you put a bag over someone's head, you're often not trying to kill them, but rather extort them or get some information out of them," said Alfonso Navarrete Prida, the attorney general of the State of Mexico, which abuts Mexico City and where the body was found.

Enrique had long maintained a low profile, in contrast to the stormy lives of two of his brothers. Raul Salinas is serving a prison sentence of nearly 27 years for masterminding the murder of his former brother-in-law.

Carlos Salinas is widely hated in Mexico because of the economic collapse that immediately followed his 1988-1994 administration. Raul Salinas has been investigated for alleged corruption and money laundering during his brother's administration.

Enrique and a fourth brother, Sergio, stayed out of the spotlight, dedicating themselves to business activities - though their business were investigated by European and Mexican officials, with no charges ever brought against them.

"We was found in the seat of the car with a plastic bag over his head," Navarrete Prida said, adding, "this investigation will be pursued to the fullest extent of the law."

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TOPICS: Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: carlossalinas; enriquesalinas; mexico

1 posted on 12/06/2004 5:59:59 PM PST by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

Suicide came first to my mind.


2 posted on 12/06/2004 6:01:03 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: LouAvul
""Generally, if you put a bag over someone's head, you're often not trying to kill them...."

Really! Bet you could have fooled this guy who is most decidedly dead.

3 posted on 12/06/2004 6:04:03 PM PST by Bahbah
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To: LouAvul

"...was found dead in a car on the outskirts of Mexico City on Monday, with a plastic bag tied over his head..."

"Worst damned case of suicide I've seen in years", said the Mexican Policia...


4 posted on 12/06/2004 6:09:06 PM PST by 7.62 x 51mm ( veni vidi vino visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: LouAvul

I wish someone could put together a list of the members of the Gortari administration and family members that have died, gone to jail, left the country. Its not quite a "Clinton" list, but its close.


5 posted on 12/06/2004 6:11:20 PM PST by marron
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To: LouAvul
...with a plastic bag tied over his head in an apparent murder, officials said...

Now why would the police assume it was a murder? I always drive in Mexico City with a plastic bag over my head. The air demands it.

6 posted on 12/06/2004 6:17:36 PM PST by Jagman (If Mexican are aliens, where are their ovipositors?)
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To: LouAvul

Probably drug related.


7 posted on 12/06/2004 6:20:05 PM PST by theDentist (Jerry Springer: NPR for White Trash)
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To: 7.62 x 51mm

Ask folks in Juarez. I think they're still digging.


8 posted on 12/06/2004 6:29:03 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Bahbah

Also----if you put a rope around someone's neck and pull it you are not trying to kill them,it's just for information gathering.

And this type of comment is from the AG of the State of Mexico.No wonder people want to leave.


9 posted on 12/06/2004 6:37:08 PM PST by Mears
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To: Dog Gone

Somebody is sending an underground telegraph message for people to shut up about something.


10 posted on 12/06/2004 6:45:13 PM PST by fella
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To: Dog Gone

Can't be; he wasn't in Arkansas.


11 posted on 12/06/2004 6:48:38 PM PST by Redcloak ("FOUR MORE BEERS! FOUR MORE BEERS! FOUR MORE BEERS!" -Teresa Heinz Kerry)
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To: LouAvul

unbelievable family.

el presidente carlos salinas gotari's bro, raul, is in jail for arranging the murder of his bro-in-law, who apparently went out on his wife to have sex with men. this murder may have taken place in the u.s., i forget. i do remember that his brother-in-law took refuge in the states.

raul's wife showed up in switzerland where she was arrested while trying to withdraw money from an account of millions.

in ol' mechico, the presidente serves one term of six years. and custom, until recently, was that the presidente selects his successor to run for the pri party. the pri party controlled mexico for 71 years until el presidente fox was elected in 2000. "democracy" in mexico will be short-lived for it's expected that the pri will re-take most of the country and the presidency in 2006.

carlos salinas gotari selected luis donaldo colosio, to run for the presidency in 1994, a pri party member and ex-govenor,but a man of the people, apparently too populist, because he was murdered in tijuana, and it was televised. i saw it live on mexican tv.

carlos left the mexican economy in shambles. the wealthy were moving their money out of mexico and with the aid of rubin, the cabinet member of the clinton administration, goldman sachs into nyc. on 2 december 1994 ernesto zedillo took office. he grew up on the california-mexico border in poverty, was noticed for his intellect by a catholic priest, and forwarded to yale where he got a ph.d. in economics.

only days into his administration, the peso underwent a devaluation, destroying the savings of the small middle class and devastating the vast poor of mexico.

much was expected of zedillo, and people feared that if he actually did attempt structural changes to mexico, that he would be murdered like colosio. his six year term passed without incident.

meanwhile, in december 1994 people blamed the out-going el presidente carlos salinas gotari for the devaluation. carlos' actions were strange--he boarded a private 727 and flew to canada loudly protesting his innocence and went on a hunger strike! he flew back to mexico, but left soon. later, he went to ireland which does not have an extradiction treaty with mexico. that was ten years ago. i don't know where he's at now; i think back in mexico, forgiven by the powers that be.


12 posted on 12/06/2004 6:55:45 PM PST by ken21 (against the democrat plantation.)
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To: LouAvul

Generally, if you put a bag over someone's head, you're often not trying to kill them, but rather extort them or get some information out of them," said Alfonso Navarrete Prida, the attorney general of the State of Mexico"

He ought to know. That's a favorite tactic of the Judicial Police (sort of a combined CIA/FBI/Mafia)in Mexico.


13 posted on 12/06/2004 7:10:53 PM PST by wildbill
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To: LouAvul
Ex-Mexico president's brother found dead

What??? Does Mexico no longer exist??? You would think I would have heard of this before.....

14 posted on 12/06/2004 7:39:30 PM PST by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: Onelifetogive

you got that right about sarcasm.


15 posted on 12/06/2004 8:08:31 PM PST by ken21 (against the democrat plantation.)
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To: wildbill
"...favorite tactic..."

The Mexican cops I know prefer to tilt the subjects head back and pour 7-Up down the nostrils. They tell me, after that they can't get the suspect to shut up.
16 posted on 12/06/2004 8:20:50 PM PST by investigateworld (( Another Cali refugee in Oregon ))
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To: investigateworld

it's amazing how illegals have rights in this country that they don't have in their own.

but they never seem to notice that difference, and respect our country.


17 posted on 12/06/2004 8:25:00 PM PST by ken21 (against the democrat plantation.)
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To: ken21
People from Guatemala have told me stories that make me wonder if Mexico can even be considered civilized. Notice the burnings of the two cops.
18 posted on 12/06/2004 8:29:22 PM PST by investigateworld (( Another Cali refugee in Oregon ))
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To: investigateworld

yeah, i've heard the southern border of mexico is not a pleasant place to be detained.


19 posted on 12/06/2004 8:37:44 PM PST by ken21 (against the democrat plantation.)
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To: Dog Gone

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20 posted on 12/07/2004 4:18:30 AM PST by ken21 (against the democrat plantation.)
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To: ken21

Carlos Salinas was back in Mexico in the 2000 promoting a book where he claimed to defend his innocence. The visit went mostly without news and faded away. My personal guess is that he was interested on the ongoing electoral campaign.

AFAIK he went back on Ireland; but some G' searches locate him at Cuba. I'm mostly sure he's not at México right now.


21 posted on 12/07/2004 4:54:33 AM PST by Codename - Ron Benjamin
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To: Codename - Ron Benjamin

gracias.

a real work of art, huh?


22 posted on 12/07/2004 5:02:32 AM PST by ken21 (against the democrat plantation.)
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To: ken21
if memory serves, the PRI devalued the peso back in the early 1980's (i was in el paso at the time). the middle class had been moving up and expanding in mexico, and many had dollar accounts (in mexico) which were frozen by the government and their value fixed at a ridiculously low number.

the for once prospering middle class, which at least on the northern border states was starting to donate money in a big way to the PRI competition PAN (a joke at the time), was again thrown back and their savings made worthless.

a really cruel joke by the PRI -- this put some el paso business in a tail-spin for years...

23 posted on 12/07/2004 5:07:04 AM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: chilepepper

they know what they're doing. the dozen or so billionaires + the manorial class had moved their pesos to safe havens outside mexico.

the 1994 devaluation devastated mexico.



24 posted on 12/07/2004 5:09:51 AM PST by ken21 (against the democrat plantation.)
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To: LouAvul
Enrique Salinas, the youngest brother of former Mexican president Carlos Salinas de Gortari, was found dead in a car on the outskirts of Mexico City on Monday, with a plastic bag tied over his head in an apparent murder, officials said.

Looks like Carlos pissed off some of the major Mexican drug lords.

25 posted on 12/07/2004 5:11:02 AM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: Dog Gone
Suicide came first to my mind.

Yes. Suicide. First he slit his throat, then he pumped 12 rounds into his own body, then he took his mangled body and hung it from a rafter on a rope, then in a final act of desperation, tied a plastic bag over his head.

I hate when that happens.

26 posted on 12/07/2004 5:12:42 AM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: LouAvul

Recipe for Mexican Justice.
Secure the arms and legs.
Secure an air-tight plastic bag over the head.
Inject insecticide into the bag.
>> This is generally a Columbian Cartel reward for disloyalty.


27 posted on 12/07/2004 5:12:59 AM PST by Broker (The tide is rising.)
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To: Codename - Ron Benjamin
I stand somehow corrected: Carlos was at 21:05 yesterday on the funerary (Acude Carlos Salinas a la funeraria).

Yeah, it was silly to say "right now".

28 posted on 12/07/2004 5:22:19 AM PST by Codename - Ron Benjamin
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To: ken21

Carlos Salinas de Gortari --- also the signer and promoter of NAFTA which destroyed the livelihood of millions of Mexicans. Credit him and Fox with the deaths of their desperate citizens trying to get out by being stuffed into unventilated boxcars and semitrailers.


29 posted on 12/07/2004 5:35:11 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Codename - Ron Benjamin

He has been in the US a few times. I often wonder why the Bush family insists on kissing his ass.


30 posted on 12/07/2004 5:36:46 AM PST by I got the rope
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To: ken21

The only thing the Mexican elite cares about is money --- I wonder if Carlos will miss Enrique anymore than he missed the brother-in-law killed by Raul.


31 posted on 12/07/2004 5:38:29 AM PST by FITZ
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To: ken21

good post


32 posted on 12/07/2004 5:38:30 AM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations)
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To: dennisw

thanks.


33 posted on 12/07/2004 5:41:10 AM PST by ken21 (against the democrat plantation.)
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To: LouAvul

Oye como va?

34 posted on 12/07/2004 5:41:45 AM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations)
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To: LouAvul
Navarrete Prida said, adding, "this investigation will be pursued to the fullest extent of the law."

Saying something like that guarantees a bigger mordida is all. We're letting this government dictate our immigration policies and homeland security --- giving their own identification papers as they please.

35 posted on 12/07/2004 5:46:15 AM PST by FITZ
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To: ken21

carlos salinas gotari .....


Only thing you omitted is he was fave of the NAFTA/open borders loving Wall Street Journal. Was even on their board of directors IIRC> Until he was exposed as a thieving scumbag placing his bribes and skims into overseas accounts. Then the WSJ couldn't put enough distance between them and him


36 posted on 12/07/2004 5:46:36 AM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations)
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To: FITZ

it's a strange group of people.

hard to wrap your brain around because, unless you're a psychopath, you have some feelings for other people.

the pri does not.

no doubt in my mind that it is evil. how else do you describe a country where there is little social cohesiveness? no mechanisms for self improvement. whenever someone or something raises its head, it gets shot down, literally.

the government of mexico is a terrorist government. against its own people.

and, it's coming back, the pri, -- after an interlude of el presidente fox's "democracy".


37 posted on 12/07/2004 5:46:53 AM PST by ken21 (against the democrat plantation.)
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To: dennisw

yeah, lots of connect-the-dots to the u.s.

raul used to host the george bush sr family at his ranch + his kids + the bush kids played with each other.


38 posted on 12/07/2004 5:48:48 AM PST by ken21 (against the democrat plantation.)
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To: ken21

wonerful wonerful .... as lawrence welk used to say


39 posted on 12/07/2004 5:50:56 AM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations)
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To: investigateworld

Your absolutely right about the old 7-up method. Been a 'fav' for years because it's cheap and low tech. Guaranteed to make you confess to what you did NEXT Thursday. But it's designed to extract a confession that can be used in court against a live defendant.

The plastic bag over the head is for when they want the interogee to realize they are deadly serious and that he won't survive the interrogation anyway. It's a 'last rites' kinda thing.


40 posted on 12/07/2004 9:15:12 AM PST by wildbill
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To: wildbill
AH SO, My Mexican buddies were only working misdemeanors! But I wonder of the value of what information obtained where the "subject" sees no hope?
41 posted on 12/07/2004 9:25:34 AM PST by investigateworld ((Another Cali refugee in Oregon ))
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To: investigateworld

They work on the theory that for most people the human spirit always believes in the hope of redemption.

For example, maybe they won't kill me if I give them what they want or maybe the good guys will arrive and rescue me.


42 posted on 12/07/2004 9:47:05 AM PST by wildbill
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To: investigateworld

Besides, it's very difficult to think without oxygen. :-0


43 posted on 12/07/2004 9:48:05 AM PST by wildbill
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To: ken21

I guess the Mexican people were not so impressed with Fox's "democracy" because all he's really tried to do is get rid of them. It must feel quite strange that every time your president visits a foreign country, he's whealing and dealing to get that country to take you and your paisanos.

Fox had one big chance to do something and that was right after he took office. He decided instead to try to prove his machismo by ordering the USA around --- forgot the big problems. He should have immediately done something about the situation in Ciudad Juarez --- but he let that big mess just slide. He should have immediately addressed the kidnapping for ransom issue in Mexico City and elsewhere -- but he let that one slide. Drug shipments to the USA are every bit as high as they were under PRI --- that's another issue he chose not to address. He wasted his term with matricula cards and whole enchiladas --- and Mexico is sliding down fast.


44 posted on 12/07/2004 7:29:20 PM PST by FITZ
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To: wildbill

Plus they always leave the corpses right out in a visible place --- they make no attempt to hide them ---- it's to send a message to the next guy in line --- don't screw up because this is your fate.


45 posted on 12/07/2004 7:30:51 PM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ

yep.

quite frankly it scares me. there is nothing positive that i'm aware of going on in mexico.

probably the only thing that holds mexico together is that so many of their people leave and come to the united states. it's a safety valve.

from what i understand, the pri is taking back the governorships, and is expected to win the presidency back in 2006.


46 posted on 12/07/2004 8:28:06 PM PST by ken21
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To: ken21
The open borders is in fact designed to keep the pressure for a Revolution from happening in Mexico. The Drug Dealing is winked at by US officials as it is what funds the system (cause the good guys are on our side Ha Ha)
47 posted on 12/09/2004 1:58:24 AM PST by investigateworld ((Please Lord, just one more bite on the apple ))
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