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Is this garbage illegal alien / faux national security bill going to pass?
Frank Republican ^ | 12-5-2004 | FRepublican

Posted on 12/06/2004 6:01:37 PM PST by FrankRepublican

Anyone know if Bush has rammed this pro-Mexico illegal alien bill through?

Looks like Bush is an open borders RINO. Please note I am a Bush volunteer and wrote a lot of checks to the RNC and Bush-Cheney 04. I guess my money really is going to Senor Vicente Fox aka narco trafficker.

Yeah I do like Pat Buchanan and Savage.


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The War on Terror is a farce if we are giving illegals drivers licenses and if we fail to deport illegals plus protect our borders.

Go to www.numbersusa.com if you want to stop the flood of illegals.

1 posted on 12/06/2004 6:01:38 PM PST by FrankRepublican
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To: FrankRepublican

Tom Tancredo 2008 = Last Hope to Save America


2 posted on 12/06/2004 6:04:26 PM PST by nanak (Tom Tancredo 2008:Last Hope to Save America)
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To: FrankRepublican

The election is over and they have already forgot who put them in office so it's back to business as usual. Not running for re-election allows Congress to operate without accountability for about 3 years until the next election cycle. Open borders encourage terrorism. What the hell are they thinking??
We have to remind the Repubs what a committment means. If they are serious about fighting terrorism they have to forget drivers licenses to illegal aliens and enforce the laws instead.


3 posted on 12/06/2004 6:08:36 PM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

ping


4 posted on 12/06/2004 6:10:40 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: FrankRepublican

knowing how far the tentacles of stupidity run through government, one can only come to expect this from them. in this day and age this mentality should not be expressed by a congressmen especially after seeing what is happening in amsterdam due to their unchecked immigration. when a country cannot keep its borders secure, we lose the one thing we value most, security for ourselfs, our family, and our country. allowing illegals to enter the US with out consequence is a lit cigerette next to a gallon of gas, only time will tell. will the polotictions pull their heads out of their arses, or will the flame strike the fuel?


5 posted on 12/06/2004 6:11:29 PM PST by blackeagle
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To: o_zarkman44
Open borders encourage terrorism. What the hell are they thinking

As long as the Democrats keep nominating people like John Kerry, the Repubs feel perfectly safe. Who are we going to vote for?

Having said that, I've got a real bad feeling about what Bush plans to do during the next four years. He's already off to a really bad start.

7 posted on 12/06/2004 6:13:25 PM PST by skip_intro
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To: skip_intro
This, the Steroid Act, the $100k for a friggin' GROUND HOG...

I'm almost afraid to ask, "What next?"

8 posted on 12/06/2004 6:19:35 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: nanak

I visited Colorado for the first time a year ago and when I got off the plane I said,"Aaaah,Tancredo land"!!!!

Bush has been a big disappointment to me in this matter and I don't think anyhting is going to change.

What will it take----a march on Washington DC? None of our leaders seem to be paying attention to the people that voted them into office.


9 posted on 12/06/2004 6:23:02 PM PST by Mears
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To: skip_intro

Welcome to the "Big Disappointment Club"


10 posted on 12/06/2004 6:39:18 PM PST by politicalwit (Import poverty...hire an illegal today)
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To: nanak

2008 is going to be too late, this has got to happen now.

Write, call....NOW!

They're gonna vote tomorrow.


11 posted on 12/06/2004 6:41:15 PM PST by 1_Inch_Group
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To: Mears

See no. 11

It won't change if you don't do anything


12 posted on 12/06/2004 6:42:33 PM PST by 1_Inch_Group
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To: 1_Inch_Group

I can't believe how bad GWB has stabbed us in the back so fast. I figured that after the disaster he faced when h first proposed his immigration disaster, that he and rest of the fools up there ust shelved it.

I swear, I am sick of hearing " para continua en espanol, por favor numero dos."

You have all heard it and I am sure you are pissed off as am I.

Alhough I volunteered a week of my life to helping get him re-elected, I am disgusted with what I have seen thus far.


13 posted on 12/06/2004 6:49:34 PM PST by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: 1_Inch_Group

Thanks----will do!


14 posted on 12/06/2004 6:51:48 PM PST by Mears
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To: chris1

He's had a pro-Mexican-immigrant policy from the start. How has he stabbed you in the back. He never promised to close the borders or any such thing. On the contrary, he proposed an immigration policy aimed at reducing illegal immigration by promoting the legal with a time limit.

It's not as if he's surprised any of you. If you feel that way, you weren't paying attention or misunderestimated the man.


15 posted on 12/06/2004 6:56:26 PM PST by kenth (Please don't make me have to put a sarcasm tag... it ruins perfectly good sarcasm.)
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To: kenth

'He never promised to close the borders or any such thing."

exactly


16 posted on 12/06/2004 7:01:32 PM PST by seastay
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To: FrankRepublican

Which bill would that be? What federal policy has anything to do with *state* licensing?

What the heck are you talking about?


17 posted on 12/06/2004 7:07:32 PM PST by Ramius (There's no place like 127.0.0.1)
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To: kenth
Nobody "misunderestimated" Bush. We, the American People, have made it clear that we want the borders under control and no reward for illegals. Bush, as the public servant, is supposed to respect those wishes. Unless of course you believe you serve him?
18 posted on 12/06/2004 7:12:42 PM PST by raybbr
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To: chris1
and I am sure you are pissed off as am I

hehehe

Another chunk of good news for California, but haven't been able to find it written up yet. Heard it on the radiddio.

Redondo Beach has been forbidden to enforce the law regarding solicitation...judge ordered today

Libreria del Pueblo

That's the organization that is causing all this crap

La Raza terrorists, disguised as honorable protectors of the poor workers.

19 posted on 12/06/2004 7:23:07 PM PST by 1_Inch_Group
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To: Ramius
He's talking about the new "Intelligence Czar bill" that would not restrict states issuing licenses to illegal aliens. Sensenbrenner of Wisconsin has been holding up the bill because he feels that the Feds should make it against federal law for states to issue the licenses to illegal aliens.
20 posted on 12/06/2004 7:23:57 PM PST by raybbr
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To: raybbr

I fail to understand what a Federal Intelligence organization bill has to do with immigration, legal or otherwise.


21 posted on 12/06/2004 7:27:00 PM PST by Ramius (There's no place like 127.0.0.1)
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To: chris1

I'm not getting the "stabbed in the back" part...

Bush wants to create a system where Mexicans that want to work in the U.S. that have employer sponsors can be allowed in with an ID card so that we can figure out who they all are, and where they work.

So? Isn't that better than NOT knowing who they all are and where they work?


22 posted on 12/06/2004 7:32:04 PM PST by Ramius (There's no place like 127.0.0.1)
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To: Ramius
Bush's plan presupposes that people who have been here for years illegally and with impunity will all of a sudden decide to obey the law. I am not gullible enough to think they will.
23 posted on 12/06/2004 7:35:28 PM PST by raybbr
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To: kenth

The Constitution never gave him the powers of a dictator --- it's about government FOR the people. Not for the foreign people, not for Vicente Fox.


24 posted on 12/06/2004 7:35:55 PM PST by FITZ
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To: raybbr

OK... so we should let the illegals keep doing what they've been doing?

Sorry, I don't get it. We're completely failing to track immigrant labor, so we shouldn't try to find some way to better track it?


25 posted on 12/06/2004 7:37:57 PM PST by Ramius (There's no place like 127.0.0.1)
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To: FrankRepublican

I agree that the bill on terrorism is a farce. I also suported Bush but he is wrong about the open borders.


26 posted on 12/06/2004 7:38:17 PM PST by southland (Send the UN to Israel so they can understand terrorism!!)
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To: Ramius
Bush wants to create a system where Mexicans that want to work in the U.S. that have employer sponsors can be allowed in with an ID card so that we can figure out who they all are

Right. You think these illegal aliens are suddenly going to start obeying our immigration/work permit laws and we're suddenly going to start enforcing them.

, and where they work.
So? Isn't that better than NOT knowing who they all are and where they work?

No. They came here to be serfs and let them continue as illegal alien serfs. The country club Republicans want cheap labor so now we have a class of imported serfs. Never legalize them

27 posted on 12/06/2004 7:41:27 PM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations)
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To: southland

We have open borders? Dang... I'll bet that comes as a surprise to the thousands of people in the Border Patrol.

Somebody should tell them. Its really not fair to make them keep patrolling if we have open borders anyway.


28 posted on 12/06/2004 7:41:28 PM PST by Ramius (There's no place like 127.0.0.1)
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To: Ramius
Sorry, I don't get it. We're completely failing to track immigrant labor, so we shouldn't try to find some way to better track it?

Playing dumb on purpose? What makes you think they are going to all of sudden follow the law? What incentive do they have under Bush's plan to come out of the dark and expose themselves? We need to elininate the illegals first then implement some sort of worker plan. Not just forgive them years of breaking the law.

29 posted on 12/06/2004 7:42:26 PM PST by raybbr
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To: raybbr

Unless the penalty for failing to register is upped to something like death by hanging... maybe.

And anyhow, why let just Mexican people cut in line? Why not let everyone who can manage to sneak in have an amnesty? Shoot why even have a line, just make it a cross country race across the border for all peoples?


30 posted on 12/06/2004 7:42:27 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (This is your budget. This is your budget on the Drug War. Any questions? [eno_])
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To: o_zarkman44
Not running for re-election allows Congress to operate without accountability for about 3 years ...

Accounts can be settled in two. Remember 1994!

31 posted on 12/06/2004 7:43:20 PM PST by Wake75
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To: dennisw

You're absolutely right...

Every day as I drive through the hordes of high school students that are protesting because they can't get jobs doing housekeeping in hotels, or get jobs picking apples in Washington...

I mean... we've got people just *lining up* for those jobs and they're just being stolen by all this immigrant labor... right from under their noses.

Yup. Gotta stop that.


32 posted on 12/06/2004 7:45:52 PM PST by Ramius (There's no place like 127.0.0.1)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Bush has a fetish for hispanics. He never talks about any other ethnic immigrant. He doesn't go to China or Japan or Poland or Russia or Ireland to beg their leaders to love him.


33 posted on 12/06/2004 7:46:50 PM PST by raybbr
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To: raybbr

Its the FTAA. He wants to integrate North and South America into a hemispheric union like the European Union. He thinks its a good thing, that are soon to be partners Venezuela and Argentina are making deals with China so that China can establish a presence in our hemisphere and influence those countries to vote against us whenever possible. Once this trade deal is passed, of course it will require supranational bodies for governance, obsoleting our United States Constitution.


34 posted on 12/06/2004 7:50:46 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: raybbr
We need to elininate the illegals first then implement some sort of worker plan.

How?

35 posted on 12/06/2004 7:51:11 PM PST by Ramius (There's no place like 127.0.0.1)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Wow... and I thought *I* was a tin-foil hatter once upon a time.


36 posted on 12/06/2004 7:52:24 PM PST by Ramius (There's no place like 127.0.0.1)
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To: Ramius
Oh I see, now. You are one of those guys. Never met an illegal you didn't like/hire/love/respect.

How about enforcing the laws we already have?

37 posted on 12/06/2004 7:53:30 PM PST by raybbr
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To: ohiocreek
Sensenbrenner was the last holdout and it sounds like the administration railroaded him.

I had to laugh when I heard that the republican leadership promised the holdouts that they will take up the 911 immigration reforms in a separate bill next year. As if that will ever happen. The Libs and Open Border RINOs have to go if America is to have any chance of surviving as a sovereign country.

38 posted on 12/06/2004 8:02:51 PM PST by WRhine (When America ceases to make manufactured goods, what do we trade with the rest of the world?)
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To: raybbr

Not at all. I think illegal immigrants should be deported instantly. I only wish we had a way to do so.

As it is, we don't even know who they are.


39 posted on 12/06/2004 8:05:16 PM PST by Ramius (There's no place like 127.0.0.1)
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To: FITZ
The Constitution never gave him the powers of a dictator --- it's about government FOR the people. Not for the foreign people, not for Vicente Fox.

There is a mechanism that addresses such Constitutional infractions and breaches of duty.....

40 posted on 12/06/2004 8:06:58 PM PST by WRhine (When America ceases to make manufactured goods, what do we trade with the rest of the world?)
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To: FrankRepublican

Looks like our stammerer-in-chief won't let American lives get in the way of his lust for hispandering.


41 posted on 12/06/2004 8:07:05 PM PST by dagnabbit (Don't let Europe happen to America. Tell Bush & Congress to stop their massive Islamic immigration.)
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To: raybbr

... and... yes, we should enforce the laws we already have. How do we do that?

I don't have a green card. I don't have a U.S. passport. How do I not get deported?


42 posted on 12/06/2004 8:07:35 PM PST by Ramius (There's no place like 127.0.0.1)
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To: dagnabbit

Cute.

Stupid, but cute.

The 9-11 hijackers all entered the country legally. Which immigration policy should have stopped them?


43 posted on 12/06/2004 8:09:37 PM PST by Ramius (There's no place like 127.0.0.1)
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To: jveritas

Hey look, they had to start yet another thread to whine in.


44 posted on 12/06/2004 8:10:42 PM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: Ramius

Sorry didn't mean to insult your RINO hero. Run along now thread clown.


45 posted on 12/06/2004 8:12:12 PM PST by dagnabbit (Don't let Europe happen to America. Tell Bush & Congress to stop their massive Islamic immigration.)
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To: dagnabbit

Yes, sir. I kneel to your superior self. Good evening.


46 posted on 12/06/2004 8:14:07 PM PST by Ramius (There's no place like 127.0.0.1)
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To: Ramius
You shouldn't even try to argue with the nuts in this thread. They're as obsessed with immigration as the DUers are with "Bush stole the election". Reality and reason are not possible with them so it is better to let them rant that Pat Buchanan is god and Tom Tancredo is the only man who can save the U.S.

Most won't be happy unless we round up every illegal, execute everyone of them (after all, they're law breakers) and then dropping Hellfire missiles on anyone who tries to cross the border will be considered "selling out" and "amnesty".

47 posted on 12/06/2004 8:17:05 PM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: Ramius
I fail to understand what a Federal Intelligence organization bill has to do with immigration, legal or otherwise.

The bill was supposed to implement the recommendations of the 9/11 commission, among which was the securing of documentation for federal identification. Some states give drivers licenses to illegal aliens, and seven of the 9/11 hijackers obtained licenses through illegal alien loopholes, and boarded planes with them.

Sensenbrenner's provison would have disallowed the use of drivers licenses from the states that issue them to illegals for federal ID purposes, like boarding airplanes.

Seems reasonable.

48 posted on 12/06/2004 8:26:07 PM PST by Fatalis
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To: WRhine

It is a little difficult to fathom an American president actually making deals with a foreign leader with our Social Security program. Vicente Fox seems to believe he can pretty much demand and get anything at all --- what other foreign leader has his eyes on our Social Security as a way to get more money for his government?


49 posted on 12/06/2004 8:28:33 PM PST by FITZ
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To: COEXERJ145

No one said to execute them --- just send them back to their home.


50 posted on 12/06/2004 8:29:24 PM PST by FITZ
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