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Growing: Movement is new form of evangelism
Religion News ^ | Dec 7th,2004

Posted on 12/07/2004 5:12:03 AM PST by missyme

As we enter the 21st century, a vital new expression of Christianity is growing in the United States and worldwide. This movement even has a name. It is called "the Emergent Church."

This movement expresses what I call "progressive evangelicalism," because it emphasizes traditional evangelical beliefs - affirming the doctrines of the Apostle's Creed, a high view of Scripture and the importance of a personal transforming relationship with a resurrected Christ - yet rejects the structures and styles of institutionalized Christianity. The Emergent Church

The Emergent Church turns away from spending money on buildings. Instead, most congregations meet as "house churches" or gather in makeshift storefronts and warehouses.

Emergent churches espouse a decentralized grassroots form of Christianity that rejects the hierarchal systems of denominational churches. Each emergent congregation makes its own decisions by consensus.

Leadership is fluid, with all members sharing authority and participating in the mission of the church. Task forces are assembled to undertake such specific programs as feeding the homeless, establishing a partnership with a Third World church, developing an after-school tutoring program for disadvantaged children or organizing people in a poor neighborhood to solve pressing social problems.

The missionary programs of such congregations are committed to direct involvement with those they decide to serve. These churches want little to do with bureaucratic organizations with professional administrators. Members of these congregations want to be involved personally with those in need. They want to know the names and faces of the people they serve.

Emergent congregations must not be confused with those nondenominational mega-churches that seem to be popping up increasingly in communities across the nation. In fact, the two are markedly different.

Emergent churches often express a disdain for the "contemporary-worship music" heard in many mega-churches.

The worship in emergent churches often includes classical music, and such congregations often follow a more formal liturgical style that may even incorporate such ancient forms of praying as that of monastic orders.

The people who join emergent congregations are often folks who have tired of what goes on in churches that have "contemporary services."

A postmodern mindset

The Emergent Church is often somewhat indifferent to theological and social issues that seem urgent to mainstream evangelicalism. These church members tend to think that the crusade against homosexual marriage is a waste of time and energy, and they tend to reject the exclusivistic claims that many evangelicals make about salvation.

They are not about to damn the likes of Gandhi or the Dali Lama to hell simply because they have not embraced Christianity.

In many ways, these Christians express a postmodern mindset that may come across as being somewhat "new age."

They see care for the environment as a major Christian responsibility. They are attracted to Christian mysticism. They talk a great deal about "spiritual formation" and focus significant attention on the healing of illnesses through prayer.

This new expression of Christianity is growing faster than most sociologists could have predicted. It is thriving, in part, because so many people are fed up with the arguing and pettiness that they claim are all too evident in the rest of Christendom.

It remains to be seen whether the Emergent Church will fade away or become an ongoing expression of Christianity.

But there is no question that it is attracting many sophisticated Christians who contend that traditional mainline churches are devoid of vitality and mega-churches are irrelevantly narrow.


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1 posted on 12/07/2004 5:12:03 AM PST by missyme
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To: missyme

The word "progressive" is a bad choice, I fear. It is too closely associated with the progressive NCC--Nat'l Council of Churches. "Progressive church" in my mind immediately conjures up Democrats, Unitarians, Wiccans, etc.


2 posted on 12/07/2004 5:14:11 AM PST by Mamzelle (Let's kill your lawyer, too)
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To: All

MORE ON APOSTATE CHRISTIANITY:
This weekend, the Seattle-based nonprofit Mustard Seed Associates sponsored a conference to bring together leaders of the new church movement with mainline church leaders.

"I genuinely believe that God is raising up a new generation of 20- and 30-year-olds that are reinventing and bringing renewal to the church," said Tom Sine of Mustard Seed. "It's a breath of fresh air for the church."

In 1998, the Leadership Network, a church-resource group based in Dallas, estimated that 150 to 200 churches targeting young adults had been created since 1994. The numbers are believed to have grown considerably since.

Some experts believe it's the next phase of development for Western churches.

Seattle, with its largely unchurched but spiritual population, is a natural for the emerging churches, said Edmund Gibbs, professor of church growth at Fuller Theological Seminary.

Mars Hill Church, commonly regarded as the most theologically conservative of the new local churches, holds four services at its main site Sundays, and a fifth in the University District. It has about 1,600 members.


3 posted on 12/07/2004 5:16:29 AM PST by missyme
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; OrthodoxPresbyterian; thePilgrim; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; jude24; ...

*ping*


4 posted on 12/07/2004 5:23:56 AM PST by sheltonmac ("Duty is ours; consequences are God's." -Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson)
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To: missyme

Wow! Tom Sine, after all these years. I remember him--and this Mustard Seed org is still out there? If it has not changed a great deal in twenty-two years, I wouldn't call Mustard Seed "apostate"-- he was then an evangelical of generally conventional doctrine. A lot can change, however, in a couple of decades...


5 posted on 12/07/2004 5:25:45 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: missyme
As we enter the 21st century, a vital new expression of Christianity is growing in the United States and worldwide. This movement even has a name. It is called "the Emergent Church."

.......The Emergent Gnostic Kristian Leach of Kristian Science......Haters of the 66 books of the bible?

Another Ecumenical Kingdom Unity Theory.......of mess-ianic roots nonsense.....

:-(

(Romans 10:17)

6 posted on 12/07/2004 5:25:54 AM PST by maestro
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To: missyme
In this whole article explaining what "The Emergent Church" consist of is missing the cornerstone of what Christianity is:

Jesus Christ

7 posted on 12/07/2004 5:26:56 AM PST by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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To: sirchtruth
I think this paragraph affirms Jesus Christ as the foundation of their faith:

This movement expresses what I call "progressive evangelicalism," because it emphasizes traditional evangelical beliefs - affirming the doctrines of the Apostle's Creed, a high view of Scripture and the importance of a personal transforming relationship with a resurrected Christ - yet rejects the structures and styles of institutionalized Christianity. The Emergent Church

Actually, if this description of this growing movement is truthful and factual, this church sounds a lot like the first Christian churches described in Acts of the Apostles.

One encouraging idea, if true, is that these folks actually believe in hands on Christianity, inc. charity, rather than relying on the "gubmint". That's why I don't get the description as progressive. Progressive in these times is actually a code word for socialist.

8 posted on 12/07/2004 5:37:50 AM PST by randita
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To: missyme

High church with no authority. Doctrine as a substrate for atmosphere. Worship for aesthetes. FM types.


9 posted on 12/07/2004 5:44:43 AM PST by Taliesan (The power of the State to do good is the power of the State to do evil.)
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To: Mamzelle
What is a high view of scripture?
10 posted on 12/07/2004 5:48:06 AM PST by 1john2 3and4
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To: randita
Like the church in Acts?

The Emergent Church is often somewhat indifferent to theological and social issues that seem urgent to mainstream evangelicalism. These church members tend to think that the crusade against homosexual marriage is a waste of time and energy, and they tend to reject the exclusivistic claims that many evangelicals make about salvation. They are not about to damn the likes of Gandhi or the Dali Lama to hell simply because they have not embraced Christianity.

No, not really, not while I still have Acts 4:12 in my Bible.

In fact, news flash to the reporter: this is nothing new. Been there, done that, still paying the bills. It was called Modernism, it was called Social Gospel, it was called Liberalism. It comes in varying shades and colors, but it hasn't much changed. New package, old poison.

Dan
Biblical Christianity web site
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Biblical Christianity BLOG

11 posted on 12/07/2004 5:50:10 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: missyme
Emergent congregations must not be confused with those nondenominational mega-churches that seem to be popping up increasingly in communities across the nation.

We attend one of those "mega churches" but mega churches don't start out that way. Ours started as a small group meeting in a rented hall, then a warehouse, then a storefront, and now a former Walmart.

Mega-churches don't "pop up" out of the blue with large attendances, they grow in numbers just like any other church.

And many mega-churches have planted other churches in neighboring communities just to cope with the growth.

Another reason these churches are popping up in "increasing" numbers just again highlights the changing demographics of our country...the moral values voter.

12 posted on 12/07/2004 6:00:33 AM PST by dawn53
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To: randita

The article actually paints emerging churches with a very broad brush. I'm familiar with several that would fall into the "emerging church" category. They are quite sound theologically and would certainly not say all beliefs are valid or true.

I think the big difference is for these types of churches, the gospel isn't about sin management but about the invitation to the kingdom.

Unfortunately many conservative evangelicals preach nothing but a brand of faith that produces "converts" who seek a "get out of hell free card" and a lifeless intellectual assent to some facts.

- Kevin


13 posted on 12/07/2004 6:01:51 AM PST by ktupper
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To: xzins; RnMomof7; Commander8; fortheDeclaration; editor-surveyor; Alamo-Girl
FYI.......ping

As we enter the 21st century, a vital new expression of Christianity is growing in the United States and worldwide. This movement even has a name. It is called "the Emergent Church."

Now we know what Rick Morron's,....Purpose Pushing Emergent Crutch is really about?

/sarcasm

14 posted on 12/07/2004 6:07:07 AM PST by maestro
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To: maestro
Now we know what Rick Morron's,....Purpose Pushing Emergent Crutch is really about?

Do you ever have anything constructive to add to the conversation?

15 posted on 12/07/2004 6:11:55 AM PST by jude24 (sola gratia)
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To: ktupper

I am struck by the rejection expressed to contemporary Christian music and services. Perhaps this is a bias projected by the author. Or I wonder if some people aren't just seeing that style of service as sometimes "slick packaging" that is too much akin to the popular music and culture (even though the words are scriptural). The article doesn't say why the Contemporary style services are not liked.

Personally, I prefer a more reverent service featuring traditional music and liturgy, but I thought it was because of my middle age status and what I was brought up with. I kind of feel that the contemporary praise music seeks to manufacture a level of emotional involvement that feels manipulative to me, but that's my personal opinion. Others love that style of music and it works for them. To each his/her own.


16 posted on 12/07/2004 6:13:21 AM PST by randita
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To: sheltonmac
I know a RTS graduate who's started one of these up at UB.

Don't know much more about them; they meet Sunday nights when I have other committments.

17 posted on 12/07/2004 6:13:43 AM PST by jude24 (sola gratia)
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To: maestro

I don't care where they meet or the style of music they listen to or how big their group is.

But if they think someone other than Jesus is the light of the world, then they aren't Christian.


18 posted on 12/07/2004 6:21:56 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
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To: missyme
Emergent churches espouse a decentralized grassroots form of Christianity that rejects the hierarchal systems of denominational churches. Each emergent congregation makes its own decisions by consensus.

This is utter nonsense. This is simply the "youth" culture isolating themselves from their elders. It has been happening in the church since at least the 60's. All these groups eventually realize that some form of organizational authority is needed to stabilize their operations. When they don't, they close up shop or join a larger denomination. The more honest opt out for a more stable theology, for the same independence from hierarchal systems that set them apart, also encourages independence from sound doctrine.
19 posted on 12/07/2004 6:24:19 AM PST by Leonard210
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To: ktupper
Unfortunately many conservative evangelicals preach nothing but a brand of faith that produces "converts" who seek a "get out of hell free card" and a lifeless intellectual assent to some facts.

Is salvation (get out of hell card) not a free gift of God? If it is not free, then what obligations must a sinner fulfil before God will give the sinner a "get out of hell card"?

20 posted on 12/07/2004 6:24:37 AM PST by Tares
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To: xzins
But if they think someone other than Jesus is the light of the world, then they aren't Christian.

Right!

Merry Christmas......means,.....God Incarnate!

(Romans 10:17)

21 posted on 12/07/2004 6:24:51 AM PST by maestro
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To: jude24
LOL

Do you ever have anything constructive to add to the conversation?

Idol makers are 'like' their idols?

(Romans 10:17)

22 posted on 12/07/2004 6:27:28 AM PST by maestro
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To: maestro
Idol makers are 'like' their idols?

Just what did this pablum mean?

23 posted on 12/07/2004 6:29:12 AM PST by jude24 (sola gratia)
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To: missyme

Ekklesia - Local Visible Assembly bump.


24 posted on 12/07/2004 6:33:05 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: missyme

Seattle?


25 posted on 12/07/2004 6:37:46 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: missyme
By this description, it sounds to me like any Sunday school class for any Methodist church I have ever attended.

I don't know why this would be considered new or different. People who study Christ don't just do it on Sundays, and church hierarchy does not help in that regard at all.

Although the UMC has been getting press for it's apparent leftward bent at the top, the hierarchal Church is not really where the people are. The real church starts when the service is over. The building and it's assets are only used as a place to meet and discuss what will never be discussed in the formality of the church.

At least that has been my experience.

26 posted on 12/07/2004 6:54:52 AM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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To: Tares

Are mental assent and biblical belief the same in your mind?

If your belief doesn't inform your actions is it really belief?

People say they believe a lot of things. James says your belief is demonstrated by your works.

Do you think Jesus came to give us a life in the hereafter but just leaves us to wallow in our sin now?

- Kevin


27 posted on 12/07/2004 7:04:39 AM PST by ktupper
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To: missyme
This author makes a lot of broad claims about the nature of these churches, but how much research was done?

Since these groups are not part of a hierarchal system, how can the author generalize about what they believe, unless many local churches have been visited and observed.

I suspect that there is great diversity among these groups. They probably cannot all be lumped into one big group.
28 posted on 12/07/2004 7:18:32 AM PST by unlearner
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To: missyme

emergent bump for later...


29 posted on 12/07/2004 7:21:38 AM PST by Ulysses ("Most of us go through life thinking we're Superman. Superman goes through life being Clark Kent!")
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To: MissAmericanPie

Seems that Seattle and Denver are a breeding ground for Liberal heathens...


30 posted on 12/07/2004 7:50:56 AM PST by missyme
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To: missyme
and they tend to reject the exclusivistic claims that many evangelicals make about salvation.

They are not about to damn the likes of Gandhi or the Dali Lama to hell simply because they have not embraced Christianity.

________

I am a Baptist and strong in my Christian beliefs, but this is something that I have struggled with. Would be interested in discussion on this subject, but maybe I need to head over to the Religion board.

31 posted on 12/07/2004 8:18:52 AM PST by CharlieOK1 (4 more years!!)
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To: BibChr

see post #31. would appreciate your opinion on this subject...


32 posted on 12/07/2004 8:20:10 AM PST by CharlieOK1 (4 more years!!)
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To: CharlieOK1
Sure, and I'll be to the point in my response.

Viscerally, I understand the reluctance. But we balk because of our skewed values. We feel like, if someone is "good" and kind, nice to kids and puppies, and merely doesn't happen to agree with us on this one doctrinal point... well, that's not worth his going to Hell over.

Basically, that's because we haven't worked out the implications of the First Commandment. Jesus says that the crucial commandment is to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength; loving our neighbor comes second.

Saying that someone should get a pass on shattering the first commandment because he seems decent about the second shows we haven't fully embraced just how "first" the first commandment is. It is like saying, "Look, this guy pays his taxes, mows his lawn, feeds his dog. Just because he sexually molested that little girl — that's nothing to send him to jail over!" Well, yes it is. That crime "trumps" all the other virtues.

Or, to put it another way: here's a man with a loathesome, fatal disease. He'll take vitamins, he'll eat his vegetables, he'll subject himself to acupuncture. The only thing he refuses to do is to take the one medicine that will cure his fatal disease. Is it "unfair" that he dies?

Hope that helps. Go to my Message Board, get more answers and discussions.

Dan
Biblical Christianity web site
Biblical Christianity message board
Biblical Christianity BLOG

33 posted on 12/07/2004 8:30:22 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr
Jesus says that the crucial commandment is to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength; loving our neighbor comes second. Saying that someone should get a pass on shattering the first commandment because he seems decent

This may be a response more suited to discussion on the religion board but here goes. If God did not find other religions acceptable, why does He keep putting souls into babies that will be born and raised to worship Buddha or Vishnu?

34 posted on 12/07/2004 8:38:28 AM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: maestro

Thanks for the ping!


35 posted on 12/07/2004 8:43:30 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs

Interesting question. Ask it over at my Board. Joining's easy.

Dan
(c8


36 posted on 12/07/2004 8:43:50 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr
Many evangelical and pentecostal churches also start out in storefronts and home-based groups, then go on to buy a church building and develop into established churches with a paid pastor and board of directors.

In foreign countries, congregations meet in home groups because of persecution by national authorities. If they build a building, it's often bombed or torched. They have no choice but to meet this way.

37 posted on 12/07/2004 8:52:17 AM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie.)
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To: ktupper
Do you think Jesus came to give us a life in the hereafter but just leaves us to wallow in our sin now?

Good works are a fruit of salvation, not a condition necessary for it. Salvation is a free gift of God ("get out of jail free card"), given according to the pleasure of His good will.

38 posted on 12/07/2004 8:54:47 AM PST by Tares
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To: ktupper
("get out of jail hell free card")
39 posted on 12/07/2004 9:01:07 AM PST by Tares
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To: Ciexyz
Yep. As I used to point out when I pastored a church meeting in homes, in the NT "church" never refers to a building.

The problem isn't where these groups meet; it's what they believe.

Dan
What Is Biblical Christianity?

40 posted on 12/07/2004 9:07:14 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: missyme
Sounds good to me, but I was a member of just sort a group in the early 70's and for a few years after.. They(a group) can grow rapidly, but is prone to the same problems the early "church" had.. Namely, strange doctrine creeping in.. producing strange splinter groups..

Humans love a good story.. and after producing one(a good story) many will follow the story teller to hell and back.. just like in the first century A.D... and beyond.. I.E. Joseph Campbell, Wayne Dyer, Marx, Lenin, Hitler, Evolution Theory(many proponents), some main line "churchs", and many others.(you can add to this list, I'm sure)

Yeah.. cut a few sheeple out of the fold, come up with a good story and Viola!.. a "church".. The test is, as I see it, is not becoming a member of ANY church, but just "BEING the church" all on your own.. all by yourself. Becoming a CULT with only one member.. YOU... Fraternization with other "cults" couldn't hurt as long as you don't join them.. Its the joining thing that empties your head and heart and makes you a sheeple which is food for wolves-->> Who are dressed as sheeple with a good story or even a bad story(some humans are easier than others).. The study of Alpha male and female wolves and their underlings(Beta, Gamma etc.) is a TALE for another time... When approaching clergy, look for the tail, but they hide it real good..

41 posted on 12/07/2004 9:14:37 AM PST by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: missyme
Everything sounded great til I got here:

The Emergent Church is often somewhat indifferent to theological and social issues that seem urgent to mainstream evangelicalism. These church members tend to think that the crusade against homosexual marriage is a waste of time and energy, and they tend to reject the exclusivistic claims that many evangelicals make about salvation.

Here they depart from Scripture. Alas, they are no improvement on the mainstream church that they reject.

42 posted on 12/07/2004 9:19:23 AM PST by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us)
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To: CharlieOK1
"They are not about to damn the likes of Gandhi or the Dali Lama to hell simply because they have not embraced Christianity."

CharlieOK1: "I am a Baptist and strong in my Christian beliefs, but this is something that I have struggled with. Would be interested in discussion on this subject, but maybe I need to head over to the Religion board."

What's to struggle with? Remember the thief on the cross? He was one of God's Elect, but it wasn't evident until the very day he died.

Just because Gandhi or the Dali Lama don't embrace the ONE true God today, doesn't mean we can count them out just yet.

Where there's life, there's hope that they (and many others) are one of God's elect (that he chose before the foundation of the earth. Rev.13:7-8; 17:8; Acts 13:48; Romans 8:28-30; Romans 9:11-13; Romans 11:7; 2Thess.2:13; 1 Pet.1:1 (NIV); 2:9, etc., etc., etc.

43 posted on 12/07/2004 9:27:39 AM PST by Matchett-PI (All DemocRATS are either religious moral relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
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To: missyme

The bible spells out that in the end times many will mistake Satan for the real thing.


44 posted on 12/07/2004 9:32:37 AM PST by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: ktupper; Tares
If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Salvation: the free gift that costs everybody everything but is worth even more.

45 posted on 12/07/2004 9:42:07 AM PST by Theophilus (Save Little Democrats, Stop Abortion)
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To: Matchett-PI
St. John 14:6

?.................What part of,..... "NO".....don't you understand?

(Romans 10:17)

46 posted on 12/07/2004 9:46:17 AM PST by maestro
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To: maestro
.......The Emergent Gnostic Kristian Leach of Kristian Science......Haters of the 66 books of the bible? Another Ecumenical Kingdom Unity Theory.......of mess-ianic roots nonsense..... :-( (Romans 10:17)

Huh? Maybe another cup of coffee then you could try reposting this in traditional conservative English. Thanks.

47 posted on 12/07/2004 9:48:43 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: randita
I kind of feel that the contemporary praise music seeks to manufacture a level of emotional involvement that feels manipulative to me, but that's my personal opinion. Others love that style of music and it works for them. To each his/her own.

Yeah, it does. But then go to a Black church and listen to *that* music. Talk about emotional involvement!

48 posted on 12/07/2004 9:51:44 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: Matchett-PI
Just because Gandhi or the Dali Lama don't embrace the ONE true God today, doesn't mean we can count them out just yet.

Well the Dali Lama is still alive. Gandhi is dead. Does that make a difference? If you go to your death an unbeliever don't most mainstream Protestants (no path to the father except through me, etc) think you go to hell?

Where there's life, there's hope that they (and many others) are one of God's elect (that he chose before the foundation of the earth.

So here are you saying God has already decided who to save and who to damn? Calvinism? Where does that leave salvation through Christ?

49 posted on 12/07/2004 9:55:37 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: missyme

These nondenominational churches are not good. I attended one of these "churches" and the adult members were voting on what would be considered "sins" and what would not. It seems that their beliefs are based on majority rule. These groups are more like cults waiting for someone with a strong personality to take over.


50 posted on 12/07/2004 10:04:37 AM PST by oldbrowser (You lost the election.....................Get over it.)
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