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Rocking For Christ
cbs ^ | 12-7-04

Posted on 12/07/2004 12:06:09 PM PST by LouAvul

The growing clout of America's 100-million evangelical Christians is being heard loud and clear. Just turn on your radio, and you'll notice that a seismic shift in American culture is taking place.

Before, you could tune into different stations, which offered different music and different messages.

But now, as Correspondent Bob Simon reports on 60 Minutes Wednesday, Dec. 8, at 8 p.m. ET/PT,, evangelical Christian music is flowing into mainstream media -- and changing it. In fact, Christian entertainment now brings in $4 billion a year.

Rappers and rockers are making hits and making money while spreading the gospel to national audiences. Christian groups can be heard on secular radio and seen on "The Tonight Show." Earlier this year, the group Third Day even played at the Republican National Convention.

"The fact that there are Christian themes now emerging in rock and that Christians are in rock is just representative of a spiritual desire or a spiritual hunger in our culture," says Cameron Strang, publisher of Relevant Magazine, a religious publication.

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KEYWORDS: christianmedia; christianmusic; evangelicals; music; radio; rockmusicisthedevil; thirdday
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1 posted on 12/07/2004 12:06:09 PM PST by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

From the article...

"The band POD has been recording Christian music for more than a decade. Their hit song "Alive" brought them mainstream success."

Is POD Christian???


2 posted on 12/07/2004 12:20:36 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: LouAvul

Once the liberals get the anti-Christian persecution in full swing, I expect many of these bands will disappear.


3 posted on 12/07/2004 12:24:34 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: LouAvul

Make a joyful noise unto the lord.


4 posted on 12/07/2004 12:25:59 PM PST by Protagoras (Government exists to defend rights, nothing more.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Yes.


5 posted on 12/07/2004 12:26:37 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: LouAvul

Let everything that hath electronic amplification Praise The Lord.


6 posted on 12/07/2004 12:27:57 PM PST by cyclotic (Cub Scouts-Teach 'em young to be men, and politically incorrect in the process)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Check it, Dog... ; )


7 posted on 12/07/2004 12:28:03 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Wannabe Princess)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Yes. So are other cross-over artists on Top 40: Creed, Jars of Clay, Switchfoot.

My concern is that the bands water down the Gospel and it becomes more of a "feel good" message than a salvation message.

"What about wrong, what about right, what about glory, what about Christ...i'm found and I'm heaven-bound" -- Cleansed by Fire, Alice Cooper


8 posted on 12/07/2004 12:28:27 PM PST by reaganaut (Red state girl in a Blue state world (Socialist Republic of California))
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To: LouAvul; 537cant be wrong; Aeronaut; bassmaner; chilepepper; Cutterjohnmhb; Churchjack; ...

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9 posted on 12/07/2004 12:31:20 PM PST by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: reaganaut

I love Switchfoot. Very good band.

I have to say I don't really share your concern. Reaching people for Christ takes on many different forms. There are people who still think an organ and a seventy-two year-old soprano are the only legitimate forms of worship music - but you'll never reach a kid with that stuff.

If young people can get the message that becoming a Christian doesn't instantly turn you into someone very uncool, that's a good thing, imo.


10 posted on 12/07/2004 12:36:08 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Wannabe Princess)
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To: reaganaut

My concern is that the bands water down the Gospel and it becomes more of a "feel good" message than a salvation message.

I think this comment of yours is on the mark. When so much of this world is based on Rock Music, enjoy going to Church to get away from it, not to hear a Christian version of it.


11 posted on 12/07/2004 12:38:25 PM PST by THE MODERATE
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

I'll amen that .. and add that it did a WHOLE lot toward leading me into more Christ-centered Christian music as I hungered for "my" kind of music with a Christian message.


12 posted on 12/07/2004 12:38:51 PM PST by proud_2_B_texasgal (amBUSHed!!!)
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To: THE MODERATE

What's wrong with rock music?


13 posted on 12/07/2004 12:42:05 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Wannabe Princess)
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To: proud_2_B_texasgal

As someone who has worked in youth ministry and played in a contemporary band, I am here to tell you you will not reach the youth with traditional Christian hymns. Set the hook first, then reel them in.


14 posted on 12/07/2004 12:44:03 PM PST by Aeronaut (May all the feckless become fecked.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
have to say I don't really share your concern. Reaching people for Christ takes on many different forms. There are people who still think an organ and a seventy-two year-old soprano are the only legitimate forms of worship music - but you'll never reach a kid with that stuff. If young people can get the message that becoming a Christian doesn't instantly turn you into someone very uncool, that's a good thing, imo. I am all for Christian rock and worship and I believe it can be a catalyst to Christ for young people, even secular music by Christians (Alice Cooper considers what is does a ministry of sorts). However, thinking Christ is 'cool' is not going to get someone into Heaven. Going to church does not make one a Christian. It is important that we keep the Gospel message in the music and not water it down. Salvation only comes through belief in the atoning sacrifice of Christ, and THAT message doesn't come through enough in Christian and Cross-Over music.
15 posted on 12/07/2004 12:45:20 PM PST by reaganaut (Red state girl in a Blue state world (Socialist Republic of California))
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To: PetroniusMaximus

At one time the members of POD were voal about their faith. I do think that fame has watered them down a bit. If you want a really great band whose lyrics and lives are just what they say they are check out Pillar. They are awesome with their hard hitting in your face wake up people lyrics.


16 posted on 12/07/2004 12:47:59 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: reaganaut
However, thinking Christ is 'cool' is not going to get someone into Heaven

PREACH!! Remember, the rich young ruler was convinced he was going to Heaven.

17 posted on 12/07/2004 12:48:09 PM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

Switchfoot is one of the striking bands to come out of the late '90's. There was a ton of great Christian music in the '90s.


18 posted on 12/07/2004 12:49:26 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (if a man lives long enough, he gets to see the same thing over and over.)
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To: LouAvul
To quote Hank Hill:

"Christian Rock isn't making Jesus better, it's making rock n' roll worse."

19 posted on 12/07/2004 12:49:34 PM PST by Modernman (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: reaganaut

The one group that I am really wild about is Pillar. These guys are really walking their faith. The founder's dad is a soldier in Iraq and he is a former soldier too. They don't water nuthin down. They tell it like it is.


20 posted on 12/07/2004 12:50:39 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

Ya know, I've been on these Christian music threads before and there seems to be a huge misunderstanding by some that those of us who enjoy rock music can't appreciate traditional praise music. Or if you listen to Contemporary or "different" Christian music than they, then you are somehow watering down the message or less of a Christian than they are.

I'm soooo thankful that when I'm in the mood for some rock or for that matter, Country, I can reach into my pile of Christian Cds and listen to something that I don't have to repent for later .. lol.

I love lots of different music types and it is WONDERFUL to be able to listen to most of them with lyrics that my kids can even sing along to.

It's also exciting to see a church-going Christian who maybe used to play in a secular band, be able to pick up that instrument, be it bass guitar, drums, or horn, and use their talent to praise the Lord.

Not EVERY song is meant to be a Worship song, per se. Some are songs expressing personal feelings or experiences or just about something totally un-related to the church. At least they are CLEAN.

Rock on, Christian Soldier! You will not be judged by me.


21 posted on 12/07/2004 12:51:02 PM PST by proud_2_B_texasgal
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To: LouAvul

Merry Christmas!


22 posted on 12/07/2004 12:51:47 PM PST by maestro
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To: LouAvul

Third Day is great. I went to high school with their guitarist Brad Avery. Their new album "Wired" rocks.


23 posted on 12/07/2004 12:52:52 PM PST by ncdrumr
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To: LouAvul
"The fact that there are Christian themes now emerging in rock

It has been really satisfying to notice this. I recall walking into a mall in the late 1990's and hearing DC Talk on the music system.

And to think the lame stuff that was circulating on cassettes in the late '80s. Yikes!

Here's hoping artists who record this type of music don't get fat and sassy.

24 posted on 12/07/2004 12:53:00 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (if a man lives long enough, he gets to see the same thing over and over.)
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To: proud_2_B_texasgal
It's also exciting to see a church-going Christian who maybe used to play in a secular band, be able to pick up that instrument, be it bass guitar, drums, or horn, and use their talent to praise the Lord.

I agree so much with that statement. I have often said that it is pitiful that some of the talents we have nowdays don't realize that they could do so much to honor the Lord. Take someone like Whitney Houstaon. God blessed her with a tremendous voice. She could use it to praise Him and draw others. Even Barbara Streisand has a song out called "On Holy Ground". It is absolutely beautiful. What a waste.

25 posted on 12/07/2004 12:53:26 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: PleaseNoMore

I've heard of them, but I haven't picked them up yet. I heard Dave Mustaine from Megadeth did a song with them. What's their sound like?


26 posted on 12/07/2004 12:54:32 PM PST by reaganaut (Red state girl in a Blue state world (Socialist Republic of California))
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To: LouAvul

My prison ministry band does only juvenile centers because our drummer is only 19. I'm 51 and play bass while the guitar player is 47. We have become virtually a switchfoot cover band. The lyrics of the songs we do are incredibly powerful to the demographic of our audience.

And the last time we did "Thief" by Third Day, there was at least one boy (they're all under 21) that was obviously tearing up.

The music is a powerful tool.


27 posted on 12/07/2004 12:54:53 PM PST by RobRoy (Science is about "how." Christianity is about "why.")
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To: reaganaut
However, thinking Christ is 'cool' is not going to get someone into Heaven. Going to church does not make one a Christian.

Please don't patronize me. I'm a born-again Christian, and I know that. I simply don't think that clinging to one style of worship that seems bent on convincing young people Christ ISN'T cool is a good thing either.

It is important that we keep the Gospel message in the music and not water it down.

I don't know what you mean by "water it down". Are you saying all the lyrics should be straight out of scripture? That they should sound like hymns?

Salvation only comes through belief in the atoning sacrifice of Christ, and THAT message doesn't come through enough in Christian and Cross-Over music.

The point of this music is to draw people into curiosity about Christianity. It is for the musicians to witness with their lives. That's not a bad thing. People - particularly older people whose musical traditions are rooted in old-style church music - have to understand that their music turns young people off.

In fact, I'm a 45 year-old professional musician, and much of it turns me off.

I believe God uses music of all kinds to speak to hearts, and He is not limited to using "How Great Thou Art".

28 posted on 12/07/2004 12:55:47 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Wannabe Princess)
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To: Protagoras

If you can't make a joyful noise, then make a righteous racket! (that's me, as I can't carry a tune in bucket)


29 posted on 12/07/2004 12:56:10 PM PST by T.Smith
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To: reaganaut
It is hard. Sorta like a metal/alt sound. I am older (37) and I don't know the terms younger folks use to describe mucis styles. They absolutely rock though. Check them out at

www.pillarmusic.com

I think that you will like them if you like Megadeath.

30 posted on 12/07/2004 12:56:26 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: proud_2_B_texasgal

Please see my post #15. Her respone implied I was judging Christian Rock, when that was not the case.


31 posted on 12/07/2004 12:56:28 PM PST by reaganaut (Red state girl in a Blue state world (Socialist Republic of California))
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To: reaganaut

OH, one more thing, you MUST read their lyrics. They are awesome.


32 posted on 12/07/2004 12:57:03 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: THE MODERATE
Dude, it not about playing rock music in church it about using one's talent through radio to reach out to people that would never set a foot in a church. The last time I checked that was part of the great commission.
33 posted on 12/07/2004 12:57:16 PM PST by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: RobRoy

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!! YOU ARE SO RIGHT. Music is one of the most powerful tools of ministry, and this blue-haired my-way-or-the-highway attitude is one of my biggest pet peeves.


34 posted on 12/07/2004 12:57:56 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Wannabe Princess)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

Preach it girl!! I agree.....1000%


35 posted on 12/07/2004 12:58:06 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: proud_2_B_texasgal

Absolutely right.


36 posted on 12/07/2004 12:58:43 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Wannabe Princess)
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To: AppyPappy
However, thinking Christ is 'cool' is not going to get someone into Heaven PREACH!! Remember, the rich young ruler was convinced he was going to Heaven.

The problem I have with this mentality is that you think that EVERY song has to have the salvation message. That's not necessary anymore than a preachers EVERY conversation having a salvation message. His attitude should reflect Christ and he should not act,drive,talk etc in such a way as to detract from Christ, but it's unrealistic to think that a preachers EVERY conversation has to have the salvation message any more than a songwriter has to put that in EVERY song.

37 posted on 12/07/2004 12:59:46 PM PST by proud_2_B_texasgal
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To: reaganaut

What I like about the Switchfoot songs is that they don't give the message of Christ. They ask the questions, loud and clear, that point to answers in Christ.

Remember, as a painter you don't see primer as "watered down paint." You see it as a step in the process of laying a solid foundation for paint. It makes sure it sticks.

The music is one element of the primer...


38 posted on 12/07/2004 12:59:55 PM PST by RobRoy (Science is about "how." Christianity is about "why.")
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To: PleaseNoMore

I have a lot of passion for this topic. : ) (Thanks for the encouragement.)


39 posted on 12/07/2004 1:00:27 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Wannabe Princess)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

I am passionate about it too. I get tired of the "my way or hell" bunch.


40 posted on 12/07/2004 1:01:47 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: reaganaut

I don't like the "Jesus is your pal" message of some of the modern Christian music I've heard, but I can't get past the sound anyway. I suppose there is real Christian rock out there, but I've only encountered stuff that would fit better alongside Michael Bolton. I like a lot of different music, but Michael Bolton ain't it. I'd rather hear good old country gospel that isn't square and doesn't back away from the sin and salvation message central to Christianity. So far, the rock I listen to is secular. It just sounds more "real" and vital.


41 posted on 12/07/2004 1:01:57 PM PST by Rastus
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To: THE MODERATE
My concern is that the bands water down the Gospel and it becomes more of a "feel good" message than a salvation message. I think this comment of yours is on the mark. When so much of this world is based on Rock Music, enjoy going to Church to get away from it, not to hear a Christian version of it.

I think that one reason alot of people have stopped attending church is that the music mixes shallow Christianity with a worldly beat. Then they amplify it so the neighbors a half mile away can hear it. Then there is the 7-11 music: seven word lyrics sung eleven times.

42 posted on 12/07/2004 1:02:44 PM PST by Zechariah11
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

You are assuming I am only for traditional worship, when that is nowhere near the case. My husband used to sing on the worship team at church. I am not saying that all lyrics should be direct scripture quotes. I LOVE Christian Rock, a good part of my collection is of Christian bands. Don't assume I am speaking out against Christian Rock, just wanting the bands to keep on message.


43 posted on 12/07/2004 1:03:30 PM PST by reaganaut (Red state girl in a Blue state world (Socialist Republic of California))
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To: proud_2_B_texasgal
As a longstanding FReeper, born again believer, and hack guitar player, let me just say this . . .

GOD ROCKS!!!

44 posted on 12/07/2004 1:03:34 PM PST by LikeLight ("You will regret any attempts to turn these posts into a comic book.")
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To: the invisib1e hand

I didn't know they were a Christian band at first - I didn't sit down and read the lyrics or anything -I just liked the music. (I'm a professional R&B singer, but I'm drawn to good rock bands lately and it's been a real period of discovery for me.)

When I found out they were Christians, I was thrilled.


45 posted on 12/07/2004 1:03:55 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Wannabe Princess)
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To: LouAvul

Roll over Jee-Zus and tell Saint Peter the news!


46 posted on 12/07/2004 1:04:16 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Rastus
"I'd rather hear good old country gospel that isn't square and doesn't back away from the sin and salvation message central to Christianity"

Amen! Give me some good country gospel any day! Not saying that I don't like the other stuff, but, it's the country/bluegrass stuff that really gets me fired up for Christ.

47 posted on 12/07/2004 1:05:04 PM PST by T.Smith
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To: reaganaut

Okay - but please don't miss the point of these bands, and don't think God can't use them because they don't fit your idea of what Christian music should be.


48 posted on 12/07/2004 1:05:07 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Wannabe Princess)
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To: proud_2_B_texasgal
The problem I have with this mentality is that you think that EVERY song has to have the salvation message

You are responding to sentiment that was not uttered. I was simply responding to one facet of the post. But too many kids today do believe that thinking Jesus is "cool" is enough. I know. I teach them. They think if they mumble a few words at a camp, they get a free ticket to Heaven. Of course, a whole ton of adults believe the same thing.

49 posted on 12/07/2004 1:05:12 PM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Nothing really except most of what has been released lately is not as good as it was in the 1970's. But perhaps when you are a little old, or maybe not, you will find yourself wanting a break from it, I have in the last decade grown an appreciation of Classical Music and church seems to be the best place to hear it.
50 posted on 12/07/2004 1:05:35 PM PST by THE MODERATE
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