Fringe On The U.S. Flag What Does It Mean? Admiralty Courts in Colorado?

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[Pharmboy]

Patriots are subjected to much ridicule when they object to [Admiralty flag] the flag that appears in every government office and courtroom in the land. That flag is the United States flag... with one seemingly minor cosmetic difference - a knotted golden fringe on three sides.

Government officials and judges adamantly refuse requests to remove the gold fringed flag and replace it with the constitutional flag of the United States as defined in 4 U.S.C. Section 1,2, and 3 - which has NO fringe.

Why should anyone be concerned about this apparently innocent decorative feature? What difference does it make?

The difference is that the flag that is displayed is legal notice, to all who enter, of the type of law that holds jurisdiction. The constitutional United States flag signifies common law jurisdiction.

The gold fringed United States flag is the Admiralty or War flag which denotes Admiralty or martial law.

Hogwash, you say? Is there no Admiralty Court claiming jurisdiction in America except in matters that occur on the high seas? Think again! Just as the founders of this country railed against the King for extending Admiralty law to the lands of the Colonies, so are those few patriots who have paid attention to the corruption of our legal system, raising a hue and a cry over the current usurpers of jurisprudence.

Rocky Mountain News Wed. May 22, 1996 Legal Notices Section The legal notices here displayed concern property seized by Federal agents as booty under Admiralty law. Notice is required so that anyone who might have an interest in the property seized has opportunity to seek to protect his interest.

One would not be wise to attempt this, though. Most likely, any excuse will be used to allege that the party claiming interest in the property was a party to the alleged offense that resulted in the original seizure.

The allegation is enough to justify the taking of property - under Admiralty law guilt is presumed. The claimant might well lose other property not yet in the hands of these landgoing pirates, even though no actual conviction of any offense is ever entered. Check your local paper's legal notices. Look into the cases cited and see if any conviction occurs - or if any charges were even filed - against the persons whose property was seized.

Colorado is a long ways from the ocean. Admiralty law is farther still from the common law recognized under Federal and State constitutions.

You decide... are these patriots kooks? Or have we been blind to the tyranny that is even now upon us?

More Evidence on the Flag Issue Our official courts today are all operating under admiralty jurisdiction, except the court of Claims in Washington D.C. which remains under the common law...You can easily identify an admiralty court by noting the presence of a gold fringed flag in the court room. This is a military flag which denotes admiralty jurisdiction within that court... " Sizes and Ocassions for Display

National flags listed below are for indoor display and for use in ceremonies and parades. For these purposes the United States flag will be rayon banner cloth, trimmed on three sides with golden fringe, 2.5 inches wide. It will be the same size as the flags displayed or carried with it.

Aurthorization for indoor display. Each military courtoom." Army Regulation 840-10, October 1 1979

Admiralty and Maritime, Military Law

[Pharmboy]

I have not yet seen this addressed on FR, although I'm sure it has. Does the fringe really mean martial law? Well, this flag is in all schools, but what does it really mean? Help me out here, Freepers...

[FreedomCalls]

It's a decorative flag. Nothing more.

[Pharmboy]

Thanks. From what I've read, the fringed flag should never be flown outdoors. That's it.

[KC Burke]

What does the fringe on the flag represent?

The gold trim is found on ceremonial flags, to be used indoors and for ceremonies only. They originally were used on military flags. The fringe has no specific significance, but is considered completely within the guidelines of proper flag etiquette. There is nothing in the flag code indicating that the fringe is for federal government flags only. The Internet contains many sites that claim that the fringe indicates martial law or that the Constitution does not apply in that area. These are entirely unfounded (usually citing Executive Order 10834 and inventing text that is not part of the order) and should be dismissed as urban legends.

[Army Air Corps]

Don your tinfoil hat guys and gals, the old "We are living under martioal law because the US flag has fringe" conspiracy theory has bobbed to the surface again.

[annyokie]

Right. They are ceremonial and not meant to be flown. We have one in our office.

[Pharmboy]

Thanks...this issue has been rattling around in my brain for a while, and I figured I could get good info on FR.

[Ramius]

[sigh] Well... at least this particular conspiracy theory doesn't seem to be cropping up as often as it used to...

Watch out for the flags fringed in *silver* though... don't EVEN ask me what that means. I'll deny it.

[Congressman Billybob]

This is a tin-foil article. However, there ARE circumstances in which Admiralty law applies on dry land. One of the three decisions handed down in this Supreme Court Term to date involved the insurance coverage applicable to a railroad accident that destroyed $1.5 million worth of equipment.

The Court ruled, correctly, that Admiralty law applied to the loss coverage on that accident due to the shipping documents which applied to the shipment "portal to portal" from the manufacturer in Australia to the purchaser in Huntsville, Alabama.

So, there ARE dry land applications of Admiralty law on dry land. Every port city maintains full-time Admiralty courts. However, they do NOT depend on the fold fringe on a US flag.

Congressman Billybob

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[Army Air Corps]

This is not THE oddest conspiracy theory, but it does rank fairly high on the scale. The one that makes me laugh most is that NASA is part of an international Freemason Plot to rule the world. Just thinking about that one causes some chuckles.

[Pharmboy]

No no no...that's not me. I just wanted to know the truth. I had never seen this discussed here and I wanted to know what Freepers thought. We don't have a curfew in my neighborhood (;-D

[El Gato]

Does the fringe really mean martial law? Well, this flag is in all schools, but what does it really mean? Help me out here, Freepers...

No, it's merely decorative. Such flags have been used in schools, libraries, state and local government offices since at least the 1950s, by personal recollection, and I suspect much longer than that.

[FreedomCalls]

https://www-perscom.army.mil/tagd/tioh/FAQ/FringeOnAmFlg.htm

FRINGE ON THE AMERICAN FLAG

    Gold fringe is used on the National flag as an honorable enrichment only. It is not regarded as an integral part of the flag and its use does not constitute an unauthorized addition to the design prescribed by statutes.

    Records of the Department of the Army indicate that fringe was used on the National flag as early as 1835 and its official use by the Army dates from 1895. There is no record of an Act of Congress or Executive Order which either prescribes or prohibits the addition of fringe, nor is there any indication that any symbolism was ever associated with it. The use of fringe is optional with the person or organization displaying the flag.

    A 1925 Attorney General’s Opinion (34 Op. Atty. Gen 483) states:

"The fringe does not appear to be regarded as an integral part of the flag, and its presence cannot be said to constitute an unauthorized additional to the design prescribed by statute. An external fringe is to be distinguished from letters, words, or emblematic designs printed or superimposed upon the body of the flag itself. Under the law, such additions might be open to objection as unauthorized; but the same is not necessarily true of the fringe."

    It is customary to place gold fringe on silken (rayon-silk-nylon) National flags that are carried in parades, used in official ceremonies, and displayed in offices, merely to enhance the beauty of the flag. The use of fringe is not restricted to the Federal Government. Such flags are used and displayed by our Armed Forces, veterans, civic and civilian organizations, and private individuals. However, it is the custom not to use fringe on flags displayed from stationary flagpoles and, traditionally, fringe has not been used on internment flags.

[Army Air Corps]

Don't worry. I did not think that it was you who had drafted this. My comment was more of a general statement. Don't sweat it, mate.

[506trooper]

The gold trim is found on ceremonial flags, to be used indoors and for ceremonies only. They originally were used on military flags. The fringe has no specific significance, but is considered completely within the guidelines of proper flag etiquette. There is nothing in the flag code indicating that the fringe is for federal government flags only. The Internet contains many sites that claim that the fringe indicates martial law or that the Constitution does not apply in that area. These are entirely unfounded (usually citing Executive Order 10834 and inventing text that is not part of the order) and should be dismissed as urban legends. more here and here

[DBrow]

I have not yet seen this addressed on FR

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A while back there was a FReeper named Michael Rivero who had lots and lots to say about Admiralty Flags, among other things.

It's been discussed a lot and most feel that it is a decorative flag, while to others it is a symbol of some sort of conspiracy to steal our constitutionally regulated judicial system and replace it with something else.

As a conspiracy theory it's one of the more fun ones, there is lots of good stuff to read and it does not carry the kook stigma that "grassy knoll" does.

[derheimwill]

Our official courts today are all operating under admiralty jurisdiction, except the court of Claims in Washington D.C.

Is there any proof that this is the only court without a fringed flag?

[Army Air Corps]

Yup, I haven't seen this one in a long time. However, the Freemason related stories continue to surface often. Geez, there are entire sites dedicated to "exposing" the Freemason plots of the Founding Fathers. People will believe some of the weirdest crap/

[OKSooner]

The gold fringe means this:

Whomever is in charge at the place the gold-fringe flag is displayed has the authority to summon the black helicopters and have you hauled off to the secret prison colony in Louisiana, by way of Tax Court, never to be seen again.

Also, the same person in charge has access to the mine-shaft bomb shelters described in Dr. Strangelove. So do your best to stay on his good side.

[jim_trent]

Don't forget the significance of an eagle on the top of the flagpole.

[Ethyl]

There was some speculation during the klintoon administration debacle, that he would try to do something really out of line, using the Admiralty Law, and the gold trimmed flag, because Admiralty Law was one of his specialties when he was a Law Professor???? He did do some stupid things, but I don't think Admiralty Law had any thing to do with it, it was some other law of nature or something?

[Martin Tell]

...the old "We are living under martial law because the US flag has fringe" conspiracy theory has bobbed to the surface again.

I can almost hear Agent Maxwell Smart saying that.

[Doctor Stochastic]

It's left over from a surrey top.

[Wallace T.]

What is the origin of this particular conspiracy theory? It seemed to crop up in the 1980s in Posse Comitatus circles and ramped up in the first Clinton administration along with the black helicopters and the Red Chinese armies massing in Mexico theories. But the other two conspiracy theories can be explained.There were actually "black" (really dark olive) helicopters used by the Army in the 1990s. Foreign invaders infiltrating into Mexico is an old scare story, perhaps left over from the Civil War, when the French under Napoleon III took advantage the turmoil in the U.S. to conquer our southern neighbor. During World War I, rumors abounded that the Kaiser was massing the Wehrmacht in Sonora and Chihuahua.

However, the origins of the "gold fringe" conspiracy theory are unknown to me.

[Pharmboy]

Thanks...great site.

My reason for this post is that I went to my 12 y/o's Christmas (no, sorry), er Holiday (nope, not that either) uhh...Winter Concert (yeah, that's it) at her middle school last night and there was a fringed flag there.

[inkling]

When gold fringes appear on flags in a given location, it's a signal to the municipality to pump extra fluoride into the water supply. Before you know it, citizens' precious bodily fluids are sapped and the Reds are that much closer to world domination.

[Denver Ditdat]

A while back there was a FReeper named Michael Rivero who had lots and lots to say about Admiralty Flags, among other things.

Rivero - now there's a blast from the past. He was claiming that the government orchestrated the events of 9/11/2001 even before the second tower fell in NYC. That was his last day on FR.

There's a fascinating case study and subsequent novelized adaption waiting in Rivero for some enterprising psychoanalyst.

[Pharmboy]

Oh I remember him--got into it real good with Michael a few times on these boards.

[Army Air Corps]

LOL! Now where DID I leave that shoe phone?

[Cultural Jihad]

This whole subject is the perview of militia nutcases. It gets discussed at length by people who had traumatic toilet training episodes.

[ChefKeith]

the kook stigma that "grassy knoll" does.

So does this mean that you believe in the "majic bullet" theory?

[Arkinsaw]

This is kind of silly, since if there were a conspiracy of judges and others they would really have no need to advertise the fact with a gold fringed flag.

The concept here is that, if you take away the gold-fringed flag, the conspirators can no longer commit the conspiracy because it wouldn't be legal.

Conspirators who are conscientious enough only to commit their conspiracy if they have the proper fringe on the flag?

"Dang Judge Roy, we will have to stop conducting unconstitutional activities because our flag ain't the right one! Durn."

That's sort of crazy.

[Army Air Corps]

Well said!

[Fiddlstix]

BTTT

[rogue yam]

Crazy for the red blue and white
Crazy for the red blue and white

You look at me
What do you see
Crazy for the white red and blue
Crazy for the white red and blue

Cause I look different
You think I'm subversive
Crazy for the blue white and red
Crazy for the blue white and red

My heart beats true
For the red white and blue
Crazy for the blue white and red
Crazy for the blue white and red
And yellow fringe
Crazy for the blue white red and yellow

[Rytwyng]

If there were such a conspiracy, surely some honest judge would have gone public by now. Roy Moore comes to mind.

[Rytwyng]

If there were such a conspiracy, surely some honest judge would have gone public by now. Roy Moore comes to mind.

[stainlessbanner]

My desk set of flags includes Old Glory, Bonnie Blue, Naval Jack, and the Stainlessbanner (of course). Each have gold fringe.....it's just purty - no conspiracy.

[Strategerist]

This is not THE oddest conspiracy theory, but it does rank fairly high on the scale.

I must confess to not having heard this one before, which surprises me, as I try to keep track of them.

This may compete with "Chemtrails" as the DUMBEST conspiracy theory though.

[Cultural Jihad]

Thanks for posting this.

[Army Air Corps]

I enjoy conspiracy theories much the same way as some enjoy the Three Stoogies - good old fashioned laughs. The Chemtrails bit appears on Coast-to-Coast AM on a regular basis (the result of people not knowing basic, grade-school science).

[Polybius]

A while back there was a FReeper named Michael Rivero .............

Did he ever admit that the U.S. did not sink the Kursk before he was banned?

[malakhi]

You decide... are these patriots kooks?

Affirmative.

[AnAmericanMother]

. . . IOW, don't sweat it. This one's come up before, it's just a crackpot notion. The last guy who was pushing it here on FR . . . Rivero something . . . had it all tied in with the idea that attorneys using the title of "Esquire" and judges using "Your Honor" meant that they were all taking "titles of nobility" as prohibited by the U.S. Constitution, and therefore they had abrogated the Constitution, and therefore they flew the fringed flags to let everybody know about the conspiracy . . . or something like that (if you have a conspiracy, why would you want to let everybody know about it?)

Haven't seen him around in awhile . . .

[longtermmemmory]

Admiralty Jurisdiction is in the Federal Courts. Even if the court is landlocked. (remember rivers can be navigable waters)

The fringe is treated as cosmetic and "neato". It is amusing to watch the fringe philosophers who try the "I don't understand" BS in the court room. If they would have shown some respect they would have gotten farther.

[AnAmericanMother]

Gosh, my memory was correct!

I remember him arguing about Admiralty jurisdiction too.

Well, you sure do meet a lot of . . . interesting people on FR, don't you?

[Army Air Corps]

Man, I may have to look at his archived posts. he sounds like a loon. Did he just cross the line between "amusingly nutty" to "call the guys with the butterfly nets"?

[Doctor Raoul]

I have not yet seen this addressed on FR, although I'm sure it has. Does the fringe really mean martial law? Well, this flag is in all schools, but what does it really mean? Help me out here, Freepers...

I always wondered what the next scam the revved Bev Harris would do to fleece the DUmmies of their welfare checks after the AWOL Bush and Black Box Voting petered out...

Bet she could sheer the flock one more time with this one. You should demand a percentage.

[Pharmboy]

OK! This can fly then...

[MinuteGal]

It's only natural to bring up Michael Rivero's name when discussing the fringe element.

Leni