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"Abortion Is Wrong" says Nobel Peace Prize Winner Maathai
Life Site ^ | 07 December 2004

Posted on 12/07/2004 11:23:00 PM PST by Lorianne

OSLO, December 7, 2004 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Kenyan Nobel peace prize winner, Mrs. Wangari Maathai, said "abortion is wrong," in a conversation with Norway's Dagen newspaper reporter Jostein Sandsmark Tuesday. Professor Maathai is Kenya's deputy minister of the environment.

"But I am trying to avoid condemning the victim," she said, referring to the pregnant mother who seeks an abortion. She sees both mother and child as casualties: "Both are victims. There is no reason why anybody who has been conceived, shouldn't be given the opportunity to be born and to live a happy life. The fact that a life like that is terminated, is wrong," said Maathai.

"When we allow abortion, we are punishing the women -- who must abort their children because their men have run away -- and we are punishing the children whose life is terminated," she continued. "But it is because we are not willing to put the men where they should be, and that is taking up the responsibility."

"I want us to step back a little bit and say: Why is this woman and this child threatened? Why is this woman threatening to terminate this life? What do we need to do as a society? What are we not doing right now as a society? A part of that answer lies in this House," Maathai said, pointing at the Kenyan Parliament building.

While abortion is still illegal in Kenya, Maathai suggests going further -- that the 1960s law making fathers financially responsible for any children they conceive be re-instated.

"That law was removed by men in this Parliament," she emphasized. "Now I think we are too lenient on men. We have almost given them a license to father children and not worry about them. That is part of the reason why women abort, because they do not want to be burdened with children whose fathers do not want to become responsible."

Maathai will be awarded the Nobel prize in Oslo Friday for her involvement in fighting for the environment, human rights and women's rights.

See link to the full interview with Mrs.Wangari Maathai (in Norwegian): http://www.dagen.no/show_art.cgi?art=6832


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; maathai; poverty; society

1 posted on 12/07/2004 11:23:00 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: joanie-f

Bump.


2 posted on 12/07/2004 11:26:29 PM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: Lorianne

BUMP


3 posted on 12/07/2004 11:27:23 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Lorianne; cyborg
A Nobel Prize winner...WHO ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE?!

Isn't that one of the first signs of The Apocalypse?

4 posted on 12/07/2004 11:27:59 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: Lorianne

She must not understand the rules.

People who win Nobel Prizes are required to be anti-life, pro-abort leftist who think it's society's fault for not handing out enough condoms.

To think, she actually condemns abortion and calls for men to take responsibility for their actions.

Obviously, TPTB need to rethink awarding her the prize and consider giving it to someone who understands what they are required to do while in the spotlight.


5 posted on 12/07/2004 11:30:12 PM PST by PowerPro (DOUBLE W - He's STILL the one. Now don't that feel GOOD????)
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To: Lorianne
"When we allow abortion, we are punishing the women -- who must abort their children because their men have run away -- and we are punishing the children whose life is terminated," she continued. "But it is because we are not willing to put the men where they should be, and that is taking up the responsibility."

Oh ... it's the man's fault ... the men need to be put where they should be ...
6 posted on 12/07/2004 11:31:13 PM PST by so_real (It's all about sharing the Weather)
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To: Lorianne

The men-blaming is a turn-off, but she's right about abortion just being plain wrong.


7 posted on 12/07/2004 11:36:06 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: PowerPro

James Earl Carter, a.k.a. Ol' Peanuthead, must be weeping into his loafers right about now.


8 posted on 12/07/2004 11:36:49 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: so_real

Well, it took two to conceive. So, unless she raped him, he should bear his part of the responsibility.


9 posted on 12/08/2004 12:11:04 AM PST by kitkat
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To: Lorianne
"Abortion Is Wrong" says Nobel Peace Prize Winner Maathai

"Well, we'll see that that doesn't happen again! You guys on the vetting committee are fired!"

10 posted on 12/08/2004 12:24:27 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Lorianne

People, citing this woman on your side of the argument is almost grounds to dismiss it immediately. This is the same woman who basically said something like the United States(or maybe some other western power) created aids to make genocide on africans so we could take their land. She's not all there in the head.


11 posted on 12/08/2004 1:20:42 AM PST by bahblahbah
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To: Lorianne
that the 1960s law making fathers financially responsible for any children they conceive be re-instated.

I support this
12 posted on 12/08/2004 1:23:25 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: All

Unfortunately, this woman is an idiot.


13 posted on 12/08/2004 1:54:16 AM PST by jimboster
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To: Lorianne

He'd better watch saying politically incorrect things before the money is in his hands. They will rescind.


14 posted on 12/08/2004 1:59:45 AM PST by TASMANIANRED (Free the Fallujah one)
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To: Lorianne

Good for her!

I know she believes some crackpot theory about HIV, but so do 95% of the people on this forum.

HIV: a virus that can't be isolated, doesn't hurt people who aren't medicated against it, has the epidemiology of toxin-exposure and kills by liver-damage in 90% of cases? Don't know about you, but I'm convinced.

And now, 20 years after the "discovery" of HIV we have a new brandname. Call it "HIV-lite". Hepatitus-C: a virus that can't be isolated, doesn't hurt people who aren't medicated against it, has the epidemiology of toxin-exposure and kills by liver-damage. Umm.


15 posted on 12/08/2004 2:55:39 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: Lorianne

Good for her. I've followed her career peripherally for many years and was tickled she got the prize. Her anti-Bush comments earned her a spot on my "not a favorite anymore" list, however.


16 posted on 12/08/2004 4:19:05 AM PST by Lil'freeper (Error 404. The page you requested was not found.)
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To: kitkat
Well, it took two to conceive. So, unless she raped him, he should bear his part of the responsibility.

I agree - it takes two to tango.

I'll go one step further - when couples seek in-vitro fertilization and whip up a whole batch of embryos, they should be made to sign a statement that they are financially responsible for raising every last one of them to adulthood.

The scientists/doctors involved should also have to sign this (because, in this case, with doctors involved, you have a LOT of people involved in what used to be a two-person tango).

17 posted on 12/08/2004 4:29:11 AM PST by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston blowhard lost)
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To: Lorianne
She sees both mother and child as casualties: "Both are victims

The way I see it, there is only one victim - the baby. It was the mother's choice. ... no harm done to her...

18 posted on 12/08/2004 4:29:40 AM PST by kdot
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To: k2blader

Yesterday a a male coworker of mine confided in me that he had a terrible problem and felt horrible inside. He told me his young wife of three months went ahead and aborted their twins without even so much as talking to him first. She was "almost to the point in her pregnancy where it was too late" he said. The pain in his face was heart wrenching. Honestly I was lost for words. Not only that but his mother told him he had killed her grandchild (not knowing there were two). He wanted those children even though they are struggling to make ends meet. She said they couldn't afford them. I guess all we can do is pray for those two little angles. It's just so sad.


19 posted on 12/08/2004 4:31:13 AM PST by ladiesview61
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To: Lorianne
"But it is because we are not willing to put the men where they should be, and that is taking up the responsibility."

While I think its nice that she acknowledges that abortion is wrong, I think she misses the point that the women need to take responsibility for their actions, after all, they ARE the ones that will carry the baby till birth. There are two people that need to take responsibility, but I think the woman must take 51% of the responsibility. (at least)

As a side note, its probably a good thing that she made her statement after winning.

21 posted on 12/08/2004 4:40:27 AM PST by Netizen
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To: WineGuy

Well... can't be right all the time :(


22 posted on 12/08/2004 4:57:14 AM PST by cyborg ( Hy verkwik my siel; Hy lei my in die spore van geregtigheid, om sy Naam ontwil.)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

She's made some wacky statements about AIDS, so she's redeemed herself a bit with this.


23 posted on 12/08/2004 4:57:49 AM PST by cyborg ( Hy verkwik my siel; Hy lei my in die spore van geregtigheid, om sy Naam ontwil.)
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To: kitkat
Well, it took two to conceive. So, unless she raped him, he should bear his part of the responsibility.

I completely agree. But re-read the original quotation:

"When we allow abortion, we are punishing the women -- who must abort their children because their men have run away -- and we are punishing the children whose life is terminated," she continued. "But it is because we are not willing to put the men where they should be, and that is taking up the responsibility."

I'm not in Kenya -- maybe this flies there -- but I'd argue to the contrary here in the USA. There are definitely dead-beats among men to be sure. But to paint women as "the victims" in our country goes too far. Feminists have claimed the "right" for women to pursue abortion without the father's consent or knowledge. I see men fighting for child custody regularly. There is legislation in process that even allows women who are minors to attain abortions without consulting their parents let alone their spouse/boyfriend. Men in the USA have been legally denied their rights as the perspective fathers by the feminist movement all in the name of preserving womens' freedom/liberation.

At this point I would be offended by a woman telling me the abortion problem is the man's fault. Women can either decide for themselves not to have sex and therefore not to get pregnant. Or they can decide for themselves not submit themselves to a the abortion clinic and therefore not to commit this heinous crime. Or (my preference) they can decide that 30 years of feminism has done more harm than good and start over with men fully part of the decision making process.
25 posted on 12/08/2004 11:00:30 AM PST by so_real (It's all about sharing the Weather)
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To: cyborg
Really?

I wasn't aware of that?

Was it Thabo Mbeki-type "wacky", or just slightly heterodox?

The only real information that I was able to glean about this woman was that she is an environmentalist in Kenya and that all of the anti-Western, antiwar, anti-American nominees were pissed off that she beat them out for this prize.

26 posted on 12/08/2004 1:19:44 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: WineGuy
You with her on this too?

Agreeing with someone on one topic does not necessarly mean that one agrees with them on everything else.

27 posted on 12/08/2004 1:29:36 PM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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