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An Open Letter to Islamic Organizations in America (Needs to be shouted out loud more often!)
AUGUSTA FREE PRESS.COM ^ | DECEMBER 8, 2004 | D.C. WATSON

Posted on 12/08/2004 9:26:15 AM PST by CHARLITE

Relations ... the very word gives one the positive mindset of working as a team to accomplish established goals. Throughout the past 228 years, Americans have fought through their own differences of opinion to achieve great successes for this nation. What myself, and tens of millions of others, are interested in knowing is your interpretation of the term relation.

Webster's defines it as "an aspect or quality (as resemblance) that connects two or more things or parts as being or belonging or working together."

This column wasn't created to accuse Muslim organizations of having ties to terrorist networks. That issue has already been addressed elsewhere, so there's no need to address it here. The purpose of this particular column is to ask precise questions of Islamic advocacy groups, and obtain precise, honest answers.

It appears that the kindness and generosity of the American people has been sadly mistaken for weakness and ignorance. Thankfully, several Middle East scholars and apostates from Islam have educated us well about true Islam, including verses contained in the Koran, and on the outdated Shari'ah Legal system.

While I certainly don't believe that all Muslims are bad people, I do believe that there is an agenda in the Muslim world to somehow attempt to become masters of the universe. Whether through violence or through manipulation of governments, Islamic radicals are attempting to rule the roost. Since we're labeled Islamophobic, intolerant, ignorant and jingoistic for not swallowing Islamic propaganda, perhaps you can address and answer for all of us the following:

Please explain separately Koran verses 4:34, 4:89, 5:17, 5:51, 8:12, 9:5 and 9:29.

As Americans learn of beheadings, car bombings, rapes, kidnappings and eventual assassinations of innocent men and women being committed by members of the Islamic faith, how would you go about explaining to your fellow Muslims that their behavior is a "hijacking" of Islam?

What would you say to the Janjaweed in Darfur, Sudan, as they hack innocent men, women and children with machetes, rape, loot, and murder innocent Africans?

(www.hrw.org/campaigns/darfur)

What explanation could you possibly provide regarding stories like that of a 16-year-old girl Iranian girl, who was charged with committing "acts incompatible with chastity," when, in fact, she was a rape victim? She was not afforded a lawyer and was forced to defend herself. She told the judge that he shouldn't punish the victims, but punish the rapists. She was hanged in public, not for the adultery, but according to the Islamic judge, for "having a sharp tongue."

(www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.php? ubb=get_topic&f=24&t=000459)

Why are Islamic clerics preaching hate for the West, and condoning terrorism?

(www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004180470,00.html,

www.congregationalist.org/Archivesold/Dec_01/Muslim.html)

Since mosques are houses of Islamic worship, is it appropriate to raise funds for terrorist activities inside them?

(www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37973)

Islam, the religion of peace, has members that live and work in the United States, living comfortable lives with respectable occupations. With that in mind, is it appropriate for them to be living the American dream while calling for an uprising (intifada) against the United States government?

(http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=10615)

Why have American citizens had civil suits brought against them for speaking out against the activities of Muslims?

(www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12898, www.religioustolerance.org/news_03dec.htm)

While members of all other faiths are respectful of the uniforms they wear while at work or in the athletic arena, and of American law, why do Muslims expect special accommodations to be made for the wearing of Islamic headscarves, and go as far as filing suit in order to cover their faces in a drivers' license picture?

(http://news.ibn.net/newsgen.asp?url=apeflain)

While I’m aware that constitutional legal barriers haven't been crossed, I'm also aware that Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists are prohibited from promoting their faith in public schools. So, why are Muslim guest speakers gaining entry into American public schools to discuss Islam with our children, when church and state are separate in America?

(www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16094)

Since Muslim organizations seem to defend every Muslim that's arrested, claiming profiling, racism, religious bias and unwarranted arrest, are Americans supposed to believe that all Muslims are merely a group of peaceful immigrants, and that every Muslim suspect arrested is completely innocent and simply a target of racism and intolerance, even when they've admitted their crimes?

(http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=11929, http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=11185, http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38019)

This issue is of substantial concern. Is it true that a prominent Islamic figure made this statement: "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth." Was this actually said? You've got to be kidding me. The Koran the highest authority in America? Islam the only accepted religion on Earth? Excuse me while my head stops spinning. I couldn't believe this one.

(www.nationalreview.com/frum/diary040803.asp)

Welcome to the United States of America. We speak English here. We're a free nation. We work hard, drink beer, take care of our family and friends, and play hard.

Although the religious majority is overwhelmingly Christian, we're tolerant of all races and religions. You’re welcome to practice your faith here, but you can forget about dominating anything.

You can stay, as long as you respect our laws and our citizens. Understand that it's not our responsibility to adapt to your culture. It's your responsibility to adapt to ours. You're in our house, so you follow the house rules.

he preservation of American culture, American borders, the English language and the United States Constitution remain at the forefront of the American Patriot agenda.

Don't make the mistake of underestimating the backbone, the willingness or the means at our disposal to do what's necessary in protecting this to-do list.

Since you seem to be the voice for Muslims in America, please relay this to your following, for the sake of peace.

D.C. Watson resides in Ohio.


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Finally, I believe that Americans are waking up to this threat. Can we quote Patrick Henry? - "The price of liberty is ETERNAL VIGILANCE!"

These people have SOME GALL as they are "welcomed" and taken into our country, only to begin immediately to make demands upon us for "special treatment," and a blatant campaign to turn our bless-ed America into another battleground for militant, uncompromising global "jihad!"

Char

1 posted on 12/08/2004 9:26:16 AM PST by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE

Don't expect honest answers from the Islamists or their apologists. Their Q'uran permits outright deceit when dealing with us "infidels."


2 posted on 12/08/2004 9:30:32 AM PST by Prime Choice (I like Democrats, too. Let's exchange recipes.)
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To: CHARLITE; backhoe; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP; SheLion

Since we're labeled Islamophobic, intolerant, ignorant and jingoistic for not swallowing Islamic propaganda, perhaps you can address and answer for all of us the following...


islam documented:


Prophet of Doom - Islam’s Terrorist Dogma, In Muhammad’s Own Words


Islam is a caustic blend of regurgitated paganism and twisted Bible stories.
Muhammad, its lone prophet, conceived his religion solely to satiate his lust for power, sex, and money.
He was a terrorist.

And if you think these conclusions are shocking, wait until you see the evidence at www.prophetofdoom.net.



Radical Islam's 'plan' to take over America - Arab-American author outlines secret 20-year strategy to undermine country

The Islamic States of America?

Misunderstanding the Enemy: the Islamic Threat and the U.S. Media

CAIR: 'Moderate' friends of terror


‘Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Qur'an should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth’

--Omar Ahmed, Chairman of the Board of CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations), San Ramon Valley Herald, July 1998


3 posted on 12/08/2004 9:33:39 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: CHARLITE

ping


4 posted on 12/08/2004 9:34:56 AM PST by trailboss800
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To: CHARLITE

Outstanding....thank you for printing it. The letter sums up what we've learned about our muslim neighbors in the years since 9/11. I am especially troubled about islam in the public schools being promoted throughout the country.

The same folks who scream to remove the 10 commandments from public places and remove the word Christmas from our daily language, are strangely silent when it comes to islam. Time to make some noise.


5 posted on 12/08/2004 9:36:45 AM PST by milford421
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To: CHARLITE
This map is two years old, and more Mosque's have sprung up across the US since.


6 posted on 12/08/2004 9:40:17 AM PST by SheLion (God bless and protect our troops. I love them one and all!)
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To: Prime Choice
"Their Q'uran permits outright deceit when dealing with us "infidels."
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Yep. An Islamic to a naive American, "Islam is the religion of peace. If you don't believe this and won't convert then that is your unfortunate choice (and I won't tell you this to your face but..hack you later)."
7 posted on 12/08/2004 9:42:35 AM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: EdReform
‘Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith,
but to become dominant. The Qur'an should be the highest authority
in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth.’

-- Omar Ahmed, Chairman of the Board of CAIR
(Council of American Islamic Relations),
San Ramon Valley Herald, July 1998


8 posted on 12/08/2004 9:45:55 AM PST by Prime Choice (I like Democrats, too. Let's exchange recipes.)
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To: CHARLITE

Great letter, the map is scary. The police raided an 'islamic studies center' near where I work about six months ago! Let's hope more people wake up and realize that islam is not about peace.


9 posted on 12/08/2004 9:47:23 AM PST by FairfaxVA (SELECT * FROM liberals WHERE clue > 0. Zero rows returned!)
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To: CHARLITE
These people have SOME GALL as they are "welcomed" and taken into our country, only to begin immediately to make demands upon us for "special treatment,"

And they're now demanding special concessions from doctors and hospitals because they don't like how our medical system is run...what with male doctors treating female patients and women actually being in positions of authority, et cetera...et cetera...

10 posted on 12/08/2004 9:47:38 AM PST by Prime Choice (I like Democrats, too. Let's exchange recipes.)
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To: CHARLITE

Ping


11 posted on 12/08/2004 9:49:03 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: CHARLITE

ping


12 posted on 12/08/2004 9:50:35 AM PST by pigsmith
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To: CHARLITE
Did you ever wonder why, if there is such a thing as a moderate Muslim, why they are not shouting from the rooftops that they do not agree with the terrorist killing? I think is becuase their "government" of Mullahs will have it out with them..as in--take them out. This is not a true religion or even a humane government..it's just a mob rule cult.
13 posted on 12/08/2004 9:57:41 AM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: CHARLITE

There is no god called Allah and Mohammed was a false prophet. Allahu Fubar!


14 posted on 12/08/2004 9:58:39 AM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: CHARLITE

DC Watson is a regular over at jihadwatch.org. He has become somewhat of a page stopper when you see his name at the end of a post.


16 posted on 12/08/2004 10:04:07 AM PST by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: CHARLITE

And we need more of them:
INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE 2006 DIVERSITY IMMIGRANT VISA PROGRAM (DV-2006)
The congressionally mandated Diversity Immigrant Visa Program is administered on an annual basis by the Department of State and conducted under the terms of Section 203(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). Section 131 of the Immigration Act of 1990 (Pub. L. 101-649) amended INA 203 to provide for a new class of immigrants known as "diversity immigrants" (DV immigrants). The Act makes available 50,000 permanent resident visas annually to persons from countries with low rates of immigration to the United States. The instructions for the 2006 Diversity Immigrant Visa Program are also available in PDF Format.

The annual DV program makes permanent residence visas available to persons meeting the simple, but strict, eligibility requirements. Applicants for Diversity Visas are chosen by a computer-generated random lottery drawing. The visas, however, are distributed among six geographic regions with a greater number of visas going to regions with lower rates of immigration, and with no visas going to citizens of countries sending more than 50,000 immigrants to the U.S. in the past five years. Within each region, no one country may receive more than seven percent of the available Diversity Visas in any one year.

For DV-2006, natives of the following countries are not eligible to apply because they sent a total of more than 50,000 immigrants to the U.S. in the previous five years:

CANADA, CHINA (mainland-born), COLOMBIA, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, EL SALVADOR, HAITI, INDIA, JAMAICA, MEXICO, PAKISTAN, PHILIPPINES, RUSSIA, SOUTH KOREA, UNITED KINGDOM (except Northern Ireland) and its dependent territories, and VIETNAM. Persons born in Hong Kong SAR, Macau SAR and Taiwan are eligible.

LIST OF COUNTRIES BY REGION WHOSE NATIVES QUALIFY

The lists below show the countries whose natives are QUALIFIED within each geographic region for this diversity program. The determination of countries within each region is based on information provided by the Geographer of the Department of State. The countries whose natives do not qualify for the DV-2006 program were identified by the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) according to the formula in Section 203(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act. Dependent areas overseas are included within the region of the governing country. The countries whose natives do NOT qualify for this diversity program (because they are the principal source countries of Family-Sponsored and Employment-Based immigration, or "high admission" countries) are noted after the respective regional lists.

AFRICA

Algeria
Libya
Angola
Madagascar
Benin
Malawi
Botswana
Mali
Burkina Faso
Mauritania
Burundi
Mauritius
Cameroon
Morocco
Cape Verde
Mozambique
Central African Republic
Namibia
Chad
Niger
Comoros
Nigeria
Congo
Rwanda
Congo, Democratic Republic of the
Sao Tome and Principe
Cote D'Ivoire (Ivory Coast)
Senegal
Djibouti
Seychelles
Egypt
Sierra Leone
Equatorial Guinea
Somalia
Eritrea
South Africa
Ethiopia
Sudan
Gabon
Swaziland
Gambia, The
Tanzania
Ghana
Togo
Guinea
Tunisia
Guinea-Bissau
Uganda
Kenya
Zambia
Lesotho
Zimbabwe
Liberia

LIST OF COUNTRIES BY REGION WHOSE NATIVES QUALIFY

ASIA

Afghanistan Lebanon
Bahrain Malaysia
Bangladesh Maldives
Bhutan Mongolia
Brunei Nepal
Burma North Korea
Cambodia Oman
East Timor Qatar
Hong Kong Special Administrative Region Saudi Arabia
Indonesia Singapore
Iran Sri Lanka
Iraq Syria
Israel Taiwan
Japan Thailand
Jordan United Arab Emirates
Kuwait Yemen
Laos

Natives of the following Asian countries do not qualify for this year's diversity program: China [mainland-born], India, Pakistan, South Korea, Philippines, and Vietnam. The Hong Kong S.A.R and Taiwan do qualify and are listed above. Macau S.A.R. also qualifies and is listed below.

LIST OF COUNTRIES BY REGION WHOSE NATIVES QUALIFY

EUROPE

Albania Lithuania
Andorra Luxembourg
Armenia Macau Special Administrative Region
Austria Macedonia, the Former Yugoslav Republic
Azerbaijan Malta
Belarus Moldova
Belgium Monaco
Bosnia and Herzegovina Netherlands (including components and dependent areas overseas)
Bulgaria Northern Ireland
Croatia Norway
Cyprus Poland
Czech Republic Portugal (including components and dependent areas overseas)
Denmark (including components and dependent areas overseas) Romania
Estonia San Marino
Finland Serbia and Montenegro
France (including components and dependent areas overseas) Slovakia
Georgia Slovenia
Germany Spain
Greece Sweden
Hungary Switzerland
Iceland Tajikistan
Ireland Turkey
Italy Turkmenistan
Kazakhstan Ukraine
Kyrgyzstan Uzbekistan
Latvia Vatican City
Liechtenstein

Natives of the following European countries do not qualify for this year's diversity program: Great Britain and Russia. Great Britain (United Kingdom) includes the following dependent areas: Anguilla, Bermuda, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Falkland Islands, Gibraltar, Montserrat, Pitcairn, St. Helena, Turks and Caicos Islands. Note that for purposes of the diversity program only, Northern Ireland is treated separately; Northern Ireland does qualify and is listed among the qualifying areas.

LIST OF COUNTRIES BY REGION WHOSE NATIVES QUALIFY

NORTH AMERICA

The Bahamas

In North America, natives of Canada and Mexico do not qualify for this year's diversity program.

OCEANIA

Australia (including components and dependent areas overseas) Palau
Fiji Papua New Guinea
Kiribati Solomon Islands
Marshall Islands Tonga
Micronesia, Federated States of Tuvalu
Nauru Vanuatu
New Zealand (including components and dependent areas overseas) Samoa

SOUTH AMERICA, CENTRAL AMERICA, AND THE CARIBBEAN

Antigua and Barbuda Guyana
Argentina Honduras
Barbados Nicaragua
Belize Panama
Bolivia Paraguay
Brazil Peru
Chile Saint Kitts and Nevis
Costa Rica Saint Lucia
Cuba Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Dominica Suriname
Ecuador Trinidad and Tobago
Grenada Uruguay
Guatemala Venezuela

Countries in this region whose natives do not qualify for this year's diversity program: Colombia, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Haiti, Jamaica, and Mexico.


17 posted on 12/08/2004 10:07:25 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: Earthdweller

Islam means "Submission"

Moderate Islam means the Dhimmis put on their own yokes

Real Islam means you put the yokes on them after you conquer them by force of arms...

you are also entitled to take their children as sex slaves...rape torture and murder them
doesn't matter as they are less than animals ..they are infidels...

You can do anything to the infidel you like...lie cheat steal kill....it does not matter...to Allah this is all good..

after all Islam means 'submission'

imo


18 posted on 12/08/2004 10:29:09 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Valin; nuconvert; Old Student; Cultural Jihad; AdmSmith; crail; traviskicks
Religious bigotry PING.
20 posted on 12/08/2004 10:33:25 AM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Tuba Guy

I don't approve of it.


21 posted on 12/08/2004 10:38:16 AM PST by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: Mi-kha-el

And your point is?


23 posted on 12/08/2004 10:41:56 AM PST by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: Mi-kha-el
Kinda weird as we have now 'conquered' "Babylon"....where immigrants, diversity and tolerance was the rule of their day....the goddess Ishtar (Isis, Lady of Freedom, goddess of immigrants,whore of Babylon) was openly worshiped by all...

Baal - Moloch was the god of child sacrifice...America has killed off 43 million plus pre born
American citizens...

Where the tower of Babel was built to ascend to the Heavens that man might be like God...and we have our contemporary space program unlike any the earth has ever seen...we too reach for the stars and Heaven...

Where God said NO...and destroyed the tower and the kingdom and 'confounded' the languages that man would be years before his next attempt...

The USA pretty owns Iraq...to do with as we like...

And are a nation of increasing diversity and immigrants(legal and otherwise)

The same goddess Ishtar - Isis stands guarding our eastern gate..and NYC our eastern star..

It's amazing how much ancient Babylon and America have in common culturally...

Only Jesus Christ stands between us and meeting the same fate

Babylon never had Jesus...we are close to losing Him...by our own choice imo

24 posted on 12/08/2004 10:43:24 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: nuconvert

The point is we need more immigrants from muslim countries (not my point though).


25 posted on 12/08/2004 10:50:16 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: CHARLITE
Please explain separately Koran verses 4:34, 4:89, 5:17, 5:51, 8:12, 9:5 and 9:29.

In case anyone else was curious but didn't want to get their hands dirty with even an electronic copy of their filthy book...

From the Koran...

"4.34": Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

"4.89": They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

"5.17": Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely, Allah -- He is the Messiah, son of Marium. Say: Who then could control anything as against Allah when He wished to destroy the Messiah son of Marium and his mother and all those on the earth? And Allah's is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what is between them; He creates what He pleases; and Allah has power over all things,

"5.51": O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

"8.12": When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

"9.5": So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

"9.29": Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

What a load of pig crap. (Ok - that part wasn't from the koran, it was my commentary on the koran.)

26 posted on 12/08/2004 11:19:19 AM PST by SlayerOfBunnies
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To: Prime Choice
And they're now demanding special concessions from doctors and hospitals because they don't like how our medical system is run...what with male doctors treating female patients and women actually being in positions of authority, et cetera...et cetera...

Oh yes.  If you think that's something, we had a Muslim woman in southern Maine hospital that said she couldn't wear the hospital gowns.  Something they have made us commoners wear for many years.

So, the Medical Association in Maine called in someone to design new gowns for the patients, all at the demands of the Muslim woman.



27 posted on 12/08/2004 11:22:41 AM PST by SheLion (God bless and protect our troops. I love them one and all!)
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To: SheLion
Ah, yes, the screaming horror of having hospital gowns which actually preserve a patient's modesty.

Burqhas for everyone are next.

28 posted on 12/08/2004 11:29:35 AM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: SheLion

Driven to the extreme (ref. Taliban regime) women cannot work as doctors, on the other hand, women cannot be treated by male doctors. So they sat at home rotting from all kinds of gynecological afflictions. That's what they have in store for us. The medical gowns is just the first blow is half the battle.


29 posted on 12/08/2004 11:32:49 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: Chemist_Geek
Ah, yes, the screaming horror of having hospital gowns which actually preserve a patient's modesty.

Isn't this awful? For years, the hospitals put those gowns on us and we couldn't do anything about it.

Along comes a Muslim woman, saying she refuses to wear the gown, and you can tell by the picture what 'they' came up with for the Islam women to wear.

As for the rest of us...guess what?!

30 posted on 12/08/2004 11:34:57 AM PST by SheLion (I need Christ to stay in Christmas. Christ is the reason for the season.)
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To: Mi-kha-el
I'm tired of it. And I can't do anything about it but continue to research and try to pass the word that they ARE here in America.

The general public has no clue. Not unless there is a Mosque's close to them, they have no clue.

I believe that they are working from the inside of America out. They have their feet firmly planted in the United States, as we can see by the map.

31 posted on 12/08/2004 11:37:33 AM PST by SheLion (I need Christ to stay in Christmas. Christ is the reason for the season.)
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To: SheLion

But the government can freeze the situation, at least, or allow it to unfold through letting in immigrants from the muslim countries in increasing numbers.


32 posted on 12/08/2004 12:57:43 PM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: BayouCoyote; Stopislamnow; Wolfhound777; weenie; MissAmericanPie; expatguy; Nathan Zachary; ...

Trojan Horse PING.


33 posted on 12/08/2004 1:06:04 PM PST by broadsword (When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
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To: broadsword

The comparison is a little lacking. The Trojans did not know the horse contained the enemy soldiers. We do and allow the horse in. The Homer books would read a little different today had the Trojans had the priviledge to know. Their gods were agains them. Our G-d gives us all kinds of clues. Only we choose not to heed.


34 posted on 12/08/2004 1:16:39 PM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: Mi-kha-el
But the government can freeze the situation, at least, or allow it to unfold through letting in immigrants from the muslim countries in increasing numbers.

I'm not sure if our government can stop it now. The muslim pregnant women fly over to Detroit, Michigan. They stay with family or friends until due date.

They go into the Detroit hospital, have their babies and fly back home. All at the taxpayers expense.

The Mayor of Detroit was interviewed on TV, and even he doesn't know how to stop that.

It may be too late.

35 posted on 12/08/2004 1:24:38 PM PST by SheLion (I need Christ to stay in Christmas. Christ is the reason for the season.)
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To: USF

ping


36 posted on 12/08/2004 1:27:28 PM PST by jan in Colorado (Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas...anyone offended? Ge t over it!)
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To: broadsword

This is such a threat but most just don't get it.


37 posted on 12/08/2004 1:33:48 PM PST by tkathy (The Bluenecks need to get over it.)
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To: SheLion

Is it because the new-born automatically becomes a US citizen? So you will have to change the law to close this loophole. The woman is not a citizen, she gave birth to a baby and left. This is too obvious. The baby at least should not get the citizenship automatically. This is infringement on some rights. But, hey, this is a war. And during the wartime some rules that work during peacetime but become detrimental during the wartime should be suspended pending the improvement of the situation. There maybe other ways. The only thing that is missing is the political will. What is required to get that will? Another 911 or complete subjugation of Americans by these extraterrestrials?


38 posted on 12/08/2004 2:04:08 PM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: SlayerOfBunnies; broadsword; weenie; jan in Colorado
What a load of pig crap.

It's Islamic religious bigotry... gender and religious apartheid.

39 posted on 12/08/2004 2:04:39 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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To: Mi-kha-el
The only thing that is missing is the political will. What is required to get that will? Another 911 or complete subjugation of Americans by these extraterrestrials?

They are moving in and taking over. And if the Michigan lawmakers do not know how to stop it, what can be done?

The baby's must be a US Citizen, because they are born here. But the whole bill is paid for by the taxpayers. I wish I could find more on this.

I listened to the Mayor of Detroit being interviewed about this last summer. I never saw anything in print.

40 posted on 12/08/2004 2:39:57 PM PST by SheLion (I need Christ to stay in Christmas. Christ is the reason for the season.)
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To: broadsword
"Trojan Horse PING"

Remember, I plan to burn that horse before I go to sleep.
41 posted on 12/08/2004 2:43:53 PM PST by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: SheLion

"The baby's must be a US Citizen, because they are born here"

That's according to the current law. Think outside the box, change the law. Put pressure on your senator/representative. The election is not the goal but a tool. Looks like you elect someone you want and relax. You elect that person to implement your will. Use your system to full advantage. Why they have learned how to use the system against you. It was not designed for being abused, it was designed to be used to benefit the American people.


42 posted on 12/08/2004 2:54:51 PM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: Mi-kha-el
That's according to the current law. Think outside the box, change the law. Put pressure on your senator/representative. The election is not the goal but a tool. Looks like you elect someone you want and relax. You elect that person to implement your will. Use your system to full advantage. Why they have learned how to use the system against you. It was not designed for being abused, it was designed to be used to benefit the American people.

Well, I have found that it doesn't always work that way. Most politicians will promise you the moon to get your vote, then once in office, they get with the others and do it the way they want anyhow. To hell with their constituents. :(

43 posted on 12/08/2004 3:04:44 PM PST by SheLion (I need Christ to stay in Christmas. Christ is the reason for the season.)
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To: Mi-kha-el

But Trojan Horse sounds more kind than the more truthful "TRAITOR!"

Keep up the good work, my friend.


44 posted on 12/08/2004 3:19:13 PM PST by broadsword (When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
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To: BayouCoyote

Excellent idea.

You're a great American, my friend!


45 posted on 12/08/2004 3:21:54 PM PST by broadsword (When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
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To: USF
It's Islamic religious bigotry... gender and religious apartheid.

Oh, but the Islamic hate, savagery and bigotry is OK. It's PC-whipped and generous to bend over for them, you see. So what if America is marched toward disaster? Patriots like you are to be slandered and sacrificed so the Islamodefending Trojan Horses can feeeeel gooooood about themselves.

None survive when freedom fails.
Good men rot in filthy jails,
While those who cried, "Appease! Appease!"
Are hanged by those they tried to please.

46 posted on 12/08/2004 3:30:27 PM PST by broadsword (When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
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To: CHARLITE
At 72, I usually don't agree with the emotional side of pol itics and religion....

But it is clear, these epople are out to dominate us...our beautiful country, our children, and our grandchildren.....It is a horrific "religion" of death.

47 posted on 12/08/2004 4:57:42 PM PST by squirt-gun
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To: Chemist_Geek

While I certainly don't believe that all Muslims are bad people, I do believe that there is an agenda in the Muslim world to somehow attempt to become masters of the universe. Whether through violence or through manipulation of governments, Islamic radicals are attempting to rule the roost. Since we're labeled Islamophobic, intolerant, ignorant and jingoistic for not swallowing Islamic propaganda, perhaps you can address and answer for all of us the following:

>>>

Right on DC!


48 posted on 12/08/2004 5:42:30 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: SheLion

New Fallooooooja, Michigan...


49 posted on 12/08/2004 5:43:56 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: SlayerOfBunnies
Mein Koran - the text an old fascist death cult...with a new, meaner, more toxic veneer this time, oh, yeah...nukes too.
50 posted on 12/08/2004 5:46:07 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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