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Pledge 'under God' uproar dividing Estes residents, recall election date to be set for trustee
Rocky Mountain News ^ | December 9, 2004 | Deborah Frazier

Posted on 12/09/2004 12:52:41 AM PST by ajolympian2004

In Estes Park, there's discomfort on all political sides that the flap over a town trustee's refusal to recite the Pledge of Allegiance is redefining the community.

"Estes Park is becoming known as a town that wants to recall someone instead of as a tourist attraction," said Linda Wagner, a 12-year resident.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; allegiance; colorado; david; estes; estespark; god; habecker; park; pledge; pledgeofallegiance; trustee; under; undergod
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To: ajolympian2004

A passionate conservative Christian is more powerful than any liberal can ever imagine.

Amen to that and I'm fired up also as many of us are and proved it in this election. They are really going too far by trying to get rid of Christmas.


21 posted on 12/09/2004 3:13:57 AM PST by garylmoore (God Bless you W, you have prevailed.)
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To: shibumi
the term "...separation of church and state..." occurs NOWHERE in the founding documents of this nation.

But if you repeat a LIE long enough and often enough it becomes accepted fact.

22 posted on 12/09/2004 3:20:49 AM PST by trickyricky
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To: ajolympian2004
Someone tell me again why citizens of a free country are reciting pledges. This is something I would expect in North Korea or China.

Francis Bellamy was a socialist nutjob obsessed with preventing another attempt at secession: one nation, indivisible...It's like he's rubbing the South's face in it. Is the "indivisibility" of our "one" nation anywhere in the Constitution? Are any states currently trying to split? It's as relevant as a pledge that insists on our autonomy from Britain.

23 posted on 12/09/2004 3:38:41 AM PST by Tristram Shandy (The Dude abides)
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To: Tristram Shandy
Someone tell me again why citizens of a free country are reciting pledges. This is something I would expect in North Korea or China.

I think the difference is that we are pledging our allegiance to our country that believes in liberty and justice for all...

... versus in North Korea, Cuba, Iran, China and others where you are pledging to the person whose picture is posted anywhere you might look throughout the country.

24 posted on 12/09/2004 4:09:54 AM PST by ajolympian2004
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To: Melas
Maybe I shouldn't, but I have these paranoid fears that vindictive theists want to burn me and those who believe like me at the stake

Which fears have no basis in historical or present reality.

Your neighbors whom you apparantly fear are the most kindly and tolerant people in the history of humankind.

25 posted on 12/09/2004 4:12:29 AM PST by Jim Noble (FR Iraq policy debate begins 11/3/04. Pass the word.)
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To: ajolympian2004
Mike Dukakis did something very much along these lines when he sat on the Brookline (Mass.) Board of Selectmen.

'Nuff said!
26 posted on 12/09/2004 4:29:24 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: ajolympian2004

ROFL, serves the goober right. He could have just skipped the part he didn't like. Sitting for the PoA just shows he's and anti-Amercian Clymer.


27 posted on 12/09/2004 4:31:27 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Melas
In your opinion, is not believing in gods somehow a slap in the face to American values?
"If you live your life like there's no God - you'd better be right."
28 posted on 12/09/2004 4:32:04 AM PST by oh8eleven
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To: Melas
Oh come on, when was the last time a Baptist went on a Jihad and started slaying innocent Athiests and Pagans?

:P

I think you're overstating the problem just a little bit.

29 posted on 12/09/2004 4:33:29 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: ajolympian2004
"Any fanatically religious group scares me, especially as a voting block,"
said Pritchard, who owns a bed and breakfast lodge.

Ahhhh, I see, Christians are now defined as fanatics.
I wonder if the Dems getting 98% of the black vote every year scares him?
Unbelievable.

30 posted on 12/09/2004 4:37:47 AM PST by oh8eleven
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To: ajolympian2004

BELLAMY WAS AN UNBELIEVER-AND A SOCIALIST. THE GUY HAS A
RIGHT TO NOT PARTICIPATE.AND A PETITION FOR HIS REMOVAL OUGHT BE ON GROUNDS OF INCOMPETANCE--NOT RESTRICTED TO HIS
IGNORANCE,OR MISUNDERSTANDING OF AMERICAN HISTORY. I ALWAYS
BELIEVE DESTES PARK WAS JEALOUS OF ASPEN AND VAIL TOO RICH
AND ELITIST FOR MY FAVOR.


31 posted on 12/09/2004 4:56:17 AM PST by StonyBurk
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To: Melas

The culture war rages on...


32 posted on 12/09/2004 5:08:14 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: ajolympian2004

MORON ALERT!!

The authors of the Constitution intentionally kept God out of the document and guaranteed the right to free speech.

Yo - dipwad, James Madison authored the Constitution. And FYI, Thomas Jefferson authored the Declaration of Independence (where God is referenced).

And jacka$$, explain this if 'God' is NOT in the Constitution:

Preamble
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Now if not God, exactly whom were 'we' asking to secure "blessings", huh?!? The frigging King of Siam?!?
33 posted on 12/09/2004 5:48:26 AM PST by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Gen G Patton)
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To: ajolympian2004

Conservative Christians are fanatics?

YAY! I've made the big time!! I'm a fanatic!!


34 posted on 12/09/2004 6:10:08 AM PST by Tennessee_Bob (Come on you sons of bitches! Do you want to live forever?)
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To: Jim Noble; Constantine XIII
You know when you quote me, I'd appreciate a little less editing.

Maybe I shouldn't, but I have these paranoid fears that vindictive theists want to burn me and those who believe like me at the stake

reads a lot differently than:

If only you were really talking about red and blue, but you're not, you're actually talking about religion. Maybe I shouldn't, but I have these paranoid fears that vindictive theists want to burn me and those who believe like me at the stake, even if metaphorically.

That last clause is essential in underlining that I'm not really talking about being burned at the stake. Without it, I sound like a rambling nutbar who's afraid the good christians are going to come kill me, not merely marginalize or censure me.

35 posted on 12/09/2004 6:56:15 AM PST by Melas
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To: shibumi
When an elected representative turns his back on the flag, IT'S TIME TO GO!

It's time also if he remains seated.

He is presumably capable of standing and placing his right hand over his heart. He is not forced to do this; neither is he forced to be a public official paid by the public

36 posted on 12/09/2004 7:02:10 AM PST by mtntop3 ("He who must know before he believes will never come to full knowledge.")
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To: Samurai_Jack
And what gives you the right to dictate how a community of amish people will live their lives?

Well, obviously, I have no right personally. However, as a greater society we have a great deal to say about how the Amish live their lives. Ask the Mormons about sticky religious practices that were proscribed across the country.

We MUST return control of the local communities to the local communities. We MUST return control of the states to the states. Those right not SPECIFICALLY enumerated within the constitution must be granted to the States and the Individual respectively. Specifically does not mean 'prenumberances' either.

I've had this argument with many, many a Southern type, and the answer remains the same: There is no going back. For good or for bad, state citizenship means little in the 21st century. In the early 20th century, according to the census's then, most people still died within 50 miles of their birth. Today, chances are you'll live in at least 3 states in your lifetime.

You can argue the philosphy back and forth until the cows come home, but that won't do a damned thing to turn back the clock and erode the growing national citizenship at the expense of a diminished state citizenship. IBM, Oil companies, the military, et al will still continue to move their people to and fro. The population of many states will continue to include more out of staters (and even foreign born) that natives. It's just a fact of modern day life.

37 posted on 12/09/2004 7:05:11 AM PST by Melas
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To: Melas
Maybe I shouldn't, but I have these paranoid fears that vindictive theists want to burn me and those who believe like me at the stake, even if metaphorically.

That last clause is essential in underlining that I'm not really talking about being burned at the stake. Without it, I sound like a rambling nutbar who's afraid the good christians are going to come kill me, not merely marginalize or censure me.

If the community decides on a set of morals and you do not live up to those morals then you should be marginalized and/or censured. This is not the same as being burned at the stake by any stretch of the imagination.

The point that was made is that the local community should have control over the local community. There is no constitutional prohibition against a local community enforcing Christianity (or any other religion)

38 posted on 12/09/2004 7:32:08 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Melas
For good or for bad, state citizenship means little in the 21st century. In the early 20th century, according to the census's then, most people still died within 50 miles of their birth. Today, chances are you'll live in at least 3 states in your lifetime.

no one said anything about state citizenship. The point was that States should control what happens in those states

39 posted on 12/09/2004 7:35:44 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Melas
If only you're actually talking about these paranoid fears vindictive me and those who believe like me, even if. That sounds about right, I agree with this. ;)
40 posted on 12/09/2004 7:35:54 AM PST by ajolympian2004
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