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Get ACLU off Taxpayer Dole
worldnetdaily ^ | Jay777

Posted on 12/09/2004 5:10:09 AM PST by Jay777

Petition: Get ACLU off taxpayer dole Legal group awarded 1/2 million tax dollars for ridding courthouse of 10 Commandments

By Ron Strom © 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

A new online petition asks Congress to change a specific civil-rights statute in hopes of preventing the American Civil Liberties Union from collecting attorney fees from taxpayers of local governments the organization takes to court.

The effort – spearheaded by Craig McCarthy of CourtZero.org, a site dedicated to stemming judicial activism – seeks to change 42 U.S.C., Section 1988, of the United States Code. The statute now allows judges to award attorney fees to plaintiffs in civil-rights cases brought against local governments, thereby putting the taxpayers on the hook and oftentimes funneling public money to the ACLU. McCarthy wants the law changed so cases involving the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment would not apply.

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: aclu; extortion; federalfunding

1 posted on 12/09/2004 5:10:09 AM PST by Jay777
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To: Jay777

Taxpayers pay for them to go to court?
Talk about adding INSULT to INJURY!


2 posted on 12/09/2004 5:17:44 AM PST by stopem
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To: Jay777

Signed at 8:15am.

Get the damned liberal-demokkkRAT-socialist-commie-nazi-fascist-hate-America ACLU filth out of my country! And let's begin to reverse the damage they've done for the past 45 years.


3 posted on 12/09/2004 5:18:05 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm ( veni vidi vino visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: Jay777
This is one of the dumber "good ideas" anybody ever had. The only worse one that I can think of is where one federal or state agency sues another and is awarded gazillions in fines. Winner? the buraucracy. Loser? the taxpayer, no matter who wins in court!
4 posted on 12/09/2004 5:20:03 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: Jay777
"When the ACLU takes a city to court claiming a Christmas display violates the Establishment Clause, for example, if the municipality loses, the city's taxpayers would not have to pay ACLU attorneys. Ending the financial incentive, McCarthy says, would cause the ACLU to decrease their anti-religion litigation."

TAKE ACTION

SIGN THE PETITION!

5 posted on 12/09/2004 5:22:12 AM PST by yoe
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To: Publius6961

This should be an important Priority for all Freepers!

This paying the ACLU should STOP, NOW !!!

Call and write everyone about it !!

Your TAX dollars are being used against YOU !!


6 posted on 12/09/2004 5:23:21 AM PST by Zenith
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To: Zenith

There are many organizations that are fighting the ACLU. I think they need to be advertised better. They need exposure and contributions. I don't think enough people have heard of them. Some churches just might take up an offering for the cause of defending it's principles if they only knew their was a way to fight. Here are some of the organizations fighting it.

American Center for Law & Justice
Alliance Defense Fund
The Rutherford Institute
Liberty Counsel
The Becket Fund
Christian Legal Society
Thomas More Law Center
Pacific Justice Institute
Landmark Legal Foundation
American Family Assn. Center for Law & Policy


7 posted on 12/09/2004 5:29:08 AM PST by Jay777
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To: Jay777

Signed. BTTT.


8 posted on 12/09/2004 5:39:03 AM PST by 14erClimb
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To: 14erClimb
This may be a totally stupid question, but...why shouldn't federal judges be elected instead of appointed. Just a passing thought...but if they were put in check by the people...perhaps they wouldn't rule such ridiculous rulings...since it might jeapordize their being elected again.
9 posted on 12/09/2004 5:44:16 AM PST by Jay777
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To: Jay777
Before you vote for a change in the civil rights laws you might want to consider that all Plaintiffs in civil rights cases are entitled to an award of attorneys fees.

So if the ACLU is not entitled to an award for fees, then for example neither would a Christian minister who is prevented from preaching the word.

The reason for the attorneys fee award is that most people could not afford an attorney if their civil rights are violated by someone else.

Also the award for fees is not limited to actions against the government. It would apply to any civil rights violation, such as, employer firing a Christian for being a Christian.

Give this some thought, because as you know the evil one has ways of getting his way by first appearing to be an angel of light. If you stop the ACLU, no big deal, they have millions in donations, but if you stop a poor church organization, they are out of the ministry. Which is exactly what Satan wants, right?
10 posted on 12/09/2004 5:47:28 AM PST by watchdog_writer (God blessed America for the next FOUR YEARS!)
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To: 7.62 x 51mm; stopem; Jay777; Publius6961; yoe; Zenith
The ACLU was founded on January 12, 1920. Among its founders were William Z. Foster, Elizabeth Gurley Flynn and Louis F. Budenz. All three later became prominent leaders of the Communist Party, USA, although Budenz broke with the Party in 1945 and became a militant anti-Communist.

In 1976, Congress passed the Civil Rights Attorneys Fee Awards Act, which was designed to encourage private lawyers to take on suits to protect civil and constitutional rights. The law provides that judges can order federal and state governments to pay legal fees to private lawyers who sued the government and won. The result has been a flood of civil rights cases in federal court. From The New American Feb. 2, 1987

It's an outrage that US law, passed during the Watergate era, allows the ACLU to collect attorney's fees for makework----Christian-hatng lawsuits it itself launches.

That means "values voters" have been footing the bill for the ACLU's launching a juggernaut to remove Ten Commandments images, Christmas creches and Christmas carols, taking God out of the Pledge of Allegiance, and because they claim they have a civil right not to see the Ten Commandments, a civil right not to hear the word “God” in the Pledge of Allegiance, not to see a creche of the Baby Jesus, not to hear Christmas carols. The ACLU has collected a huge amount of our tax dollars in this left-handed fundraiser for the ACLU.

FReepers can silence the ACLU with a bit of activism. We need to insist our Congressmen repeal this abusive law that allows the ACLU to get rich on harassing Christian America. Congress must repeal laws enabling the ACLU's Christian-hating activities. Cut off the ACLU's funds and watch them disappear. Here's what we can do.

The IRS should determine whether the ACLU is properly accounting for all its tax-funded activities, whether it is inflating legal costs, and whether it is using tax dollars for the purposes stated. We need to know whether the ACLU is engaged in Enron-style accounting and spending practices.

REFERENCE SOURCE FOR ARGUING REPEAL TO CONGRESS

Apparently, when Congress contemplated the fee-shifting bill three decades ago, it never conceived that 42 U.S.C. §1988 would be used to secure fees in esoteric battles over the meaning of the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

The statute gives a court "discretion" to award attorneys' fees to the prevailing party in civil rights cases.

Study of the legislative history of the statute reveals that Congress intended this statute to apply to civil rights abuses, including certain race and sex discrimination cases, but not to arguments about whether Judge Roy Moore is allowed to display the Ten Commandments in the Alabama courthouse.

During the deliberations on the bill, the Senate penned that "in many cases arising under our civil rights laws, the citizen who must sue to enforce the law has little or no money with which to hire a lawyer."[6] In the recent First Amendment lawsuits filed by the ACLU, the tables are turned.

Small school districts and municipalities can either defend lawsuits and risk paying the ACLU's attorneys' fees if they lose, or they can voluntarily submit to the ACLU's view of the Constitution.

Even if lawsuits over the establishment clause somehow fall within 42 U.S.C. §1988, the statute empowers courts with nothing more than "discretion" to award fees.

In these cases, one would expect courts to withhold awarding fees. Since this is not happening, Congress must take immediate action to clarify 42 U.S.C. §1988 to explicitly exclude lawsuits related to the acknowledgement of God.

11 posted on 12/09/2004 5:48:57 AM PST by Liz
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To: Jay777

Good question. I can't think of a reason why judges shouldn't be elected. Remember, senators used to be appointed also... I think you're right, if the judges were held in check by the people they would stop interpreting the law and start enforcing it.


12 posted on 12/09/2004 5:58:04 AM PST by 14erClimb
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To: Jay777

This is an utter abomination. It's one thing to have to tolerate these fifth columnists. It's quite another to reward them for destroying our country. Contact your congressfolks as soon as possible and demand that this absurdity be stopped at once!


13 posted on 12/09/2004 6:04:41 AM PST by IronJack (R)
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To: Jay777

this needs to be done very urgently! Won't stop ACLU, but at least it will slow them down as they will have to start making decisions on where and how to spend limited resources. At least they will no longer have carte blanche to sue every school board and village council over creche scenes.


14 posted on 12/09/2004 6:08:22 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Jay777
"McCarthy wants the law changed so cases involving the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment would not apply."

Why stop there?
Why not cut off the ACLU entirely?

How about getting the (shudder) IRS to review their tax status?

15 posted on 12/09/2004 6:24:46 AM PST by Redbob
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To: Jay777

This was not a civil rights case so the law shouldn't even apply in the first place.


16 posted on 12/09/2004 6:46:31 AM PST by Cubs Fan (Liberals have the inverse midas touch, everything they get a hold of turns to S&*%)
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To: Jay777; All
You can join the fight against the ACLU and their ilk by becoming involved with and supporting the following organizations:

Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) - http://www.alliancedefensefund.org

Thomas More Law Center (TMLC) - http://www.thomasmore.org

American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) - http://www.aclj.org

The Rutherford Institute - http://www.rutherford.org/

Stop the ACLU Coalition - http://www.stoptheaclu.org


Here are a few examples of how two of those organizations are fighting back:

ADF Contacts Over 3,600 School Districts Over Attempts To Censor Christmas

ADF: 700 lawyers ready to fight ACLU lawsuits

ADF: Pentagons' Warning About Boyscouts Is Absurd

Thomas More Law Center: Town of Palm Beach Pays $50,000 In Attorney Fees Apologizes To Women In Nativity Lawsuit


Additional information:

The ACLU must be destroyed: Joseph Farah supports Boy Scouts, urges Americans to fight back

Citizens mobilized to stop ACLU (seeks to consign group to 'ash heap of history')

ACLU fulfilling communist agenda

Revealing FACTS on the ACLU from its own writings

See how YOUR Senator or Representative ranks with the ACLU



It's okay to say Merry Christmas:

"Merry Christmas. Believe It. Say It. Wear it!"

17 posted on 12/09/2004 7:27:03 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: watchdog_writer
If you stop the ACLU, no big deal, they have millions in donations, but if you stop a poor church organization, they are out of the ministry.

If you attack a poor church organization (that is operating in God's way with God's power) you can't stop them. (Wonder when the ChiComs are going to figure this out.)

18 posted on 12/09/2004 9:06:38 AM PST by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: EdReform

ACLU = Spawn of Satan.


19 posted on 12/09/2004 10:04:28 AM PST by talleyman (Merry Christmas!)
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To: Jay777
It always irritates me to see such duplication - I get dozens of requests for funding of these organizations. If there were just a few, they would be more effective and truly have more muscle.

I do support the Pacific Legal Foundation and the ACLJ.

20 posted on 12/09/2004 3:24:55 PM PST by oldtimer
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To: oldtimer

Well I wasn't asking you to fund them...just sign a petition. Cost nothing but a minute of your time. And thanks for supproting those organizations.


21 posted on 12/09/2004 3:33:11 PM PST by Jay777
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To: stopem
Taxpayers pay for them to go to court?

For suing to overturn Proposition 187, a law passed by 59% of the voters of the State of California, Judge Pfaelzer awarded the plaintiffs attorneys - a group of ACLU, MALDEF, and a couple of other sedition operations attornies - over $3 million in fees. On the basis of it being a "civil rights case".

So not only did the SOBs steal our vote, they stole our money too.

Really.

22 posted on 12/09/2004 3:36:28 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Liz
the statute empowers courts with nothing more than "discretion" to award fees

They almost always award them. It's one attorney asking another to scratch his back. The gang sticks together. They get the money.

It's more work all the way around, for both judge and plaintiff. And they don't even have to wait for one of the little people to show up with a dispute to reconcile. They just make it up.

23 posted on 12/09/2004 3:40:46 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Jay777; Howlin; Timesink; Utah Girl; hosepipe; backhoe; FITZ; Happy2BMe; ...

Signed Emailed and BUMPED


24 posted on 12/09/2004 3:49:33 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (Fox should FIRE Juan Williams and Whoraldoh Riveria ! they both are Clinton Stooges)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

this needs to be done very urgently! Won't stop ACLU, but at least it will slow them down as they will have to start making decisions on where and how to spend limited resources. At least they will no longer have carte blanche to sue every school board and village council over creche scenes.

I don't like the ACLU very much, starting from the time I was in my early teens and they tried to stop that Russian kid from emigrating to the U.S. Their actions against the Boy Scouts are abhorrent as well. They also support some of the maniacal street preachers too. The ACLU's suits against school boards are responsible for some things being taken out of some public schools and no doubt serve as fodder for the education liberals' political agenda and negativity towards the public schools.


25 posted on 12/09/2004 4:31:14 PM PST by moog
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To: Jay777

DONE!

With pleasure!

:-)


26 posted on 12/09/2004 4:58:16 PM PST by Monkey Face (Estne volumen in toga, an solum tibi libet me videre?)
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To: Regulator

Another taxpayer-funded gravy train for enemies of Christian America. Disgusting.


27 posted on 12/09/2004 5:10:31 PM PST by Liz
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To: watchdog_writer
Before you vote for a change in the civil rights laws you might want to consider that all Plaintiffs in civil rights cases are entitled to an award of attorneys fees.

Does the law make the ACLU pay the defendent's attorneys fees if they lose? I read that it does not.

28 posted on 12/09/2004 7:56:25 PM PST by tuesday afternoon (Everything happens for a reason. - 40 and 43)
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To: Jay777

Where do I go to sign the petition?


29 posted on 12/09/2004 8:54:24 PM PST by Santana (Proud aunt of niece serving in Iraq)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Thanks for the ping!


30 posted on 12/09/2004 11:12:03 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Jay777

Signed; bumped.


31 posted on 12/10/2004 5:37:04 AM PST by TheGrimReaper (o)(o)....Keeping abreast for 50 years now.)
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To: Jay777

Done!


32 posted on 12/10/2004 9:11:50 AM PST by Ros42
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To: Jay777

Mr.Pilgrim and I, are both signed up!


33 posted on 12/10/2004 9:28:51 AM PST by LadyPilgrim (Sealed my pardon with His blood, Hallelujah!!! What a Savior!!!)
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To: tuesday afternoon
In some jurisdictions if the Plaintiff looses, the defendant can apply to the court for reimbursement of litigation expenses and if the judge determines that the suit was frivolous, he has the power to order the plaintiff to pay.
34 posted on 12/15/2004 7:00:27 AM PST by watchdog_writer (God blessed America for the next FOUR YEARS!)
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