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Pornography Is Anything But A Victimless Crime
Concerned Women For America ^ | Dec. 8, 2004 | Cheri Pierson Yecke

Posted on 12/09/2004 1:16:14 PM PST by Lindykim

Pornography is Anything But a 'Victimless Crime'     12/8/2004 By Cheri Pierson Yecke How many more expert studies do we need to convince ourselves of this fact?

Jud Fry -- one of the characters in the Rodgers and Hammerstein musical Oklahoma! lives in a shack that is papered with pornographic images. He is a loner, lacks social skills, and is feared by his neighbors. He is clearly capable of murder. This insight into the character of a porn addict hit the Broadway stage in 1943.

Fast forward to 2004. A sexual assault and several attempted abductions of girls in the St. Paul, Minnesota, area are allegedly the work of 19-year-old Ryan Mely, who has been charged (for starters) with second-degree criminal sexual conduct. He apparently was a loner who was feared by his neighbors. Jud Fry is a fictitious character who bought his porn from an itinerant peddler. How did Ryan Mely get his start? Apparently, pornography was a family pastime. While some dads bond with their kids by fishing or playing hockey together, it appears that Mely and his father (a convicted sex offender) shared an interest in pornography. It was reported that sexually explicit material was found at the family home and on their computer.

Is anyone really surprised that pornography is involved here? It has been 60 years since a Broadway musical portrayed what social scientists and criminal analysis have now found to be true -- addiction to pornography can lead to violent sexual behavior. Dr. Victor Cline, a clinical psychologist and expert on sexual addictions, has identified four stages of progression among his patients.

The first stage is addiction, where the attraction to porn is overpowering and the viewer keeps craving more. The next stage is an escalation to more shocking and deviant images, as the earlier ones have lost their power to stimulate. Third is desensitization, where anything earlier seen as disturbing and repulsive becomes viewed as commonplace. Finally, satisfaction cannot be reached unless the perpetrator begins acting out the activities witnessed in the pornography. In effect, fantasy must become reality.

The events in which Mely was allegedly involved appear to follow this pattern. Perhaps the same is true for Alfonso Rodriguez, the man who allegedly abducted and murdered Dru Sjodin. Rodriguez apparently had an infatuation with Dru, who worked at Victoria's Secret, an upscale lingerie shop. On several occasions he allegedly called the store where she worked, asking for her by name.

Victoria's Secret is well known for its racy, soft-porn "fashion show" where voluptuous young models strut the runways in revealing lingerie. The liberal National Organization for Women called it "exploitative" and the conservative Concerned Women for America condemned it as a "high-tech striptease." Regularly protested by both sides of the political spectrum, the company announced in April that it will no longer air this event

The last Victoria's Secret "fashion show" aired on network television November 19, 2003. Dru was abducted three days later. Could it be that Alfonso Rodriguez, a convicted sex offender, watched the show and was propelled into Dr. Cline's fourth stage of sexual deviance? This is a question his judge and jury may consider.

In an interview the night before his 1989 execution, serial killer Ted Bundy revealed the influence of pornography on his life.

A case study for Cline's four stages of addiction, Bundy started his descent into sexual deviance and murder with magazines he found in the neighbor's trash. His addiction escalated until he felt compelled to act out his desires in more than 30 murders that were accompanied with violent sexual acts.

He warned Americans: "There are those loose in [your] towns and communities, like me, whose dangerous impulses are being fueled, day in and day out, by violence in the media, in its various forms -- particularly sexualized violence ... . There are lots of other kids playing in the streets around the country today who are going to be dead tomorrow, and the next day, because other young people are reading and seeing the kinds of things that are available in the media today."

Abundant evidence has demonstrated the tragic impact of pornography. How many more expert studies do we need to convince ourselves of this fact? The elections of 2004 have sent politicians the message that morals matter, so now is the time to focus on the impact of pornography -- the so-called "victimless crime."

Cheri Pierson Yecke is a Distinguished Senior Fellow for Education and Social Policy at the Center of the American Experiment, a conservative think tank in Minneapolis. She is a former Minnesota commissioner of education and is author of The War Against Excellence. This article first appeared in the Minneapolis Star Tribune. Used with permission.  

Concerned Women for America 1015 Fifteenth St. N.W., Suite 1100 Washington, D.C. 20005 Phone: (202) 488-7000 Fax: (202) 488-0806 E-mail: mail@cwfa.org    


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Pornography appeals only to our darkest, most base appetites. There is nothing 'good' about it. It cannot be said of it that it promotes dignity, honor, trustworthiness, selfcontrol, selfrespect, decency, fidelity, commitment, or any other of the virtues. It promotes and breeds everything ugly, dark, vile, and foul. Every user of it regresses to the cellar by becoming a 'peeping tom', and that is just the beginnng of the slide downwards.
1 posted on 12/09/2004 1:16:14 PM PST by Lindykim
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To: ItsOurTimeNow; little jeremiah

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2 posted on 12/09/2004 1:17:07 PM PST by Lindykim (")
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To: Lindykim
As much as drug addiction and alcoholism is spoken of from both the Left and the Right, another addiction that is never spoken of is sexaholism. There are people who are addicted to sexual deviant behavior, such as pornography, adultery, homosexuality, etc. There is actually a support group, fashioned along the lines of AA, called Sexaholics Anonymous.

All I have to say is prepared to be flamed. There a plenty of people on FR who are unsympathetic with this issue.

3 posted on 12/09/2004 1:20:04 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: Lindykim
Fortunately however, it is protected under the constitution.
4 posted on 12/09/2004 1:20:58 PM PST by Moleman
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To: Lindykim
"Cheri Yecke"? Unfortunate name....

*Snicker*

5 posted on 12/09/2004 1:23:02 PM PST by Cogadh na Sith (--Scots Gaelic: 'War or Peace'--)
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To: Pyro7480

I wish more people would wise up to this.

pornography really is a terrible, terrible evil in this world...


6 posted on 12/09/2004 1:23:38 PM PST by mike182d
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To: Pyro7480; Modernman; Melas

True. There are a lot of "conservatives" here who think "F*ck Pigs 10" is "let freedom ring".


7 posted on 12/09/2004 1:24:29 PM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: Lindykim

porno ping


8 posted on 12/09/2004 1:25:22 PM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: Lindykim

bttt


9 posted on 12/09/2004 1:25:48 PM PST by prairiebreeze (It's my right to publically celebrate Christmas and state my faith in Christ. At least for now.....)
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To: Moleman

Really, it wasn't before Warren Court decisions struck down obscenity laws all across the country. Fascinating to hear pro porn "conservatives" hiding behind Warren Court liberalism.


10 posted on 12/09/2004 1:25:48 PM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: Lindykim
Every user of it regresses to the cellar by becoming a 'peeping tom', and that is just the beginnng of the slide downwards.

If you say so. "every?" I'd LOVE to see statistics on that, because it would be a big surprise to me.

Note that I'm not flaming you, I'm just pointing out that by using such a broad brush by saying "EVERY" does nothing but weaken your case, makes you look like a shill, and will do nothing to garner you any support for your cause.

Enjoy!

11 posted on 12/09/2004 1:26:24 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks ('Hate' is just a special kind of Love we give to people who suck.)
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To: Lindykim

Agree 100%

But it will take those that so cherish their 24x7 access to such fare to rise above this sick addiction and aspire to something better, for all this to change...we are in dangerous, dehumanizing waters.

I recently saw a report that boys aged 9-14 that were exposed to the vicious and degrading porn so prevalent today had 80% less success with sustaining meaningful relationships with females...this is unraveling stuff.

How do we put this toothpaste back in the tube before we are a nation of souless sensation addicts--with women as the primary devalued, used and abused focus??

And this is NOT just the natural order of things.
It has become sheer hateful deviance.


12 posted on 12/09/2004 1:26:45 PM PST by dascallie
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To: Moleman
Fortunately however, it is protected under the constitution.

Protection of pornography is no more constitutional than is "separation of church and state". Both are constructs of activist judges serving on the SCOTUS.

I defy anyone to prove that the founding fathers intended for the US Constitution to protect the production and sale of pornography. Such an idea is bovine excrement.

13 posted on 12/09/2004 1:28:03 PM PST by TChris (You keep using that word. I don't think it means what yHello, I'm a TAGLINE vir)
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To: Lindykim

i'd like to see the ratio of people who watch porn and don't turn criminal and those who watch porn and do.
I think this is kind of like a gun study. Showing kids are more violent with guns than not. I"d like to see that same stat for the gun kids. Know what i mean?


14 posted on 12/09/2004 1:28:30 PM PST by kanecorp
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To: Pyro7480
"All I have to say is prepared to be flamed. There a plenty of people on FR who are unsympathetic with this issue."

While I may disagree with opinions expressed by many here on this issue, I don't go after anyone who doesn't call for outright censorship. Folks can call pornography anything they like and blame it for anything they like, so long as they don't look to the government to remove my right to view it. In such a case, my problem is not that the person is anti-pornography, but that they are seeking to increase state power at the expense of personal freedom.
15 posted on 12/09/2004 1:29:48 PM PST by NJ_gent (Conservatism begins at home. Security begins at the border. Please, someone, secure our borders.)
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To: Lindykim
Reefer Madness covered it's "addiction" the same way. Over the top and around the bend. Porn is a big problem -- for damn sure. But it ain't the gate to murder and torture.

The callousness it takes to murder and torture is ceratinly helped developed by pornography. The same murderous callousness and intemperance can be developed in alternate ways -- meaness and cruelty is the main one, along with drunkeness and being a wastrel. The murderers that develop solely from porno addition -- they are rare, if at all.

Alchohol is still the main adjunct to murder.

16 posted on 12/09/2004 1:29:51 PM PST by bvw
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To: Moleman
Fortunately however, it is protected under the constitution.

No, it isn't. It is protected by compromised judges and other deviants.

17 posted on 12/09/2004 1:30:27 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Lindykim; DirtyHarryY2K; Siamese Princess; Ed Current; Grampa Dave; Luircin; gonow; John O; ...

Moral Absolutes Ping.

Sometimes these pornography threads really get wild. I haven't read the article yet but want to ping it out while I have a minute. Have at it, if you feel so inclied.

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.


18 posted on 12/09/2004 1:30:46 PM PST by little jeremiah (What would happen if everyone decided their own "right and wrong"?)
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To: kanecorp

Plenty of studies have shown the destructive impact porn has on interpersonal relationships...and if you believe that stability and marriage hold together our nation, you should be concerned about this.

Cannot have it both ways.


19 posted on 12/09/2004 1:31:30 PM PST by dascallie
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To: Pyro7480

I think I'm addicted to my hot, perverted, girlfriend.... Is that bad?


20 posted on 12/09/2004 1:31:59 PM PST by Cogadh na Sith (--Scots Gaelic: 'War or Peace'--)
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To: kanecorp
I think this is kind of like a gun study. Showing kids are more violent with guns than not. I"d like to see that same stat for the gun kids. Know what i mean?

Yeah, it's true that most people who look at porn don't become psycho. However, that doesn't mean that it doesn't have societal effects. The contraceptive mentality, adultery, divorce, and other societal ills are being aided by the effect of pornography on people's relationships.

21 posted on 12/09/2004 1:32:04 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
...saying "EVERY" does nothing but weaken your case

You're correct in that regard. Different people, for whatever reasons, are more or less susceptible to pornography addiction, just as some are more prone to alcoholism than others.

However, repeated, consistent exposure to pornography does have real, negative consequences, particularly for male/female relationships (e.g. marriage). Psychological studies have proven as much.

22 posted on 12/09/2004 1:32:39 PM PST by TChris (You keep using that word. I don't think it means what yHello, I'm a TAGLINE vir)
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To: bvw

See posts #19 and #21.


23 posted on 12/09/2004 1:32:46 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: bvw
Reefer Madness covered it's "addiction" the same way. Over the top and around the bend. Porn is a big problem -- for damn sure. But it ain't the gate to murder and torture.

I beg to differ. Everything we are and everything we'll ever experience in the world is defined by our sexuality - who I am as a man or woman. Destroy our understanding of human sexuality and pervert it and you've just destroyed the human person.
24 posted on 12/09/2004 1:32:47 PM PST by mike182d
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To: TChris
"I defy anyone to prove that the founding fathers intended for the US Constitution to protect the production and sale of pornography."


25 posted on 12/09/2004 1:32:53 PM PST by NJ_gent (Conservatism begins at home. Security begins at the border. Please, someone, secure our borders.)
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To: TChris
I defy anyone to prove that the founding fathers intended for the US Constitution to protect the production and sale of pornography. Such an idea is bovine excrement.

I don't think they addressed the issue specifically, but I'm pretty sure that the Founding Fathers probably would have had a few choice words for governmental enforcement of moral views.

I'm not saying I agree with Pornography, but what it boils down to is I don't believe we can enforce laws banning it, but it IS our responsibility to point out what's wrong with it, and hope people listen.

26 posted on 12/09/2004 1:33:42 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks ('Hate' is just a special kind of Love we give to people who suck.)
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To: TChris
I defy anyone to prove that the founding fathers intended for the US Constitution to protect the production and sale of pornography.

Well, they certainly didn't intend the Constitution to prevent them from cheating on their wives (Hamilton) or banging their slaves (Jefferson).

27 posted on 12/09/2004 1:33:55 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: Moleman

The Declaration of Degradation. Our founders fought to protect our God-given rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of smut. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are weak, base, self-indulgent and vile.


28 posted on 12/09/2004 1:34:36 PM PST by Innisfree
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To: NJ_gent
In such a case, my problem is not that the person is anti-pornography, but that they are seeking to increase state power at the expense of personal freedom.

I have a comparison to make in this instance. I think almost all FReepers are concerned with the threat of Islam to our civilization, and are willing to empower our government to defend us against that threat. However, sexual permissiveness in all of its manifestations also threatens our civilization, but the personal freedom argument always seems to "shut people up" on this.

29 posted on 12/09/2004 1:35:31 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: mike182d

Go to the local County Courthouse. Chat with a DA, and assistant DA, a Baliff, a Judge. Ask them what they think causes most murders -- a list of the things. If one of them even mentions porn -- without you first clueing them -- I'd be surprised.


30 posted on 12/09/2004 1:36:00 PM PST by bvw
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To: mike182d
Everything we are and everything we'll ever experience in the world is defined by our sexuality -

I just bought Coke from the vending machine. There was no sex involved.

What do I win?

31 posted on 12/09/2004 1:36:38 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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This article is so bogus. Look at this claim: "Victoria's Secret is well known for its racy, soft-porn 'fashion show' where voluptuous young models strut the runways in revealing lingerie."

Now, anyone who's ever seen one of their models knows that they all look like emaciated malnourished heroin addicts. There is not one "voluptuous" feature about them, except maybe their botox-laden lips.

32 posted on 12/09/2004 1:37:15 PM PST by HenryLeeII (Democrats have killed more Americans than the Soviets and Nazis combined!)
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To: Lindykim
The last Victoria's Secret "fashion show" aired on network television November 19, 2003. Dru was abducted three days later. Could it be that Alfonso Rodriguez, a convicted sex offender, watched the show and was propelled into Dr. Cline's fourth stage of sexual deviance? This is a question his judge and jury may consider.

I see. It wasn't his fault, Victoria's Secret made him do it. Rodriguez is therefore not responsible for his actions and should be set free.

33 posted on 12/09/2004 1:37:26 PM PST by Modernman (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

New evidence shows porns kicks off a chemical addition (pleasure center in the brain, like heroin)linked to behaviorial changes...antisocial, addictive behavior.

I'll look for the news item again.


34 posted on 12/09/2004 1:38:07 PM PST by dascallie
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To: Pyro7480
I have a comparison to make in this instance. I think almost all FReepers are concerned with the threat of Islam to our civilization, and are willing to empower our government to defend us against that threat. However, sexual permissiveness in all of its manifestations also threatens our civilization, but the personal freedom argument always seems to "shut people up" on this.

Ok, tell ya what - the day this country goes against one of the very ideals behind it's foundings, and bans Islam, I'll agree to a federally-mandated ban on Pornography. How's that?

35 posted on 12/09/2004 1:38:08 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks ('Hate' is just a special kind of Love we give to people who suck.)
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To: Pyro7480
There is actually a support group, fashioned along the lines of AA, called Sexaholics Anonymous.

Great idea. Put a bunch of sex addicts into a room together.

36 posted on 12/09/2004 1:38:56 PM PST by Modernman (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: TChris
"Psychological studies have proven as much."

While some other studies have shown the opposite to be true. Some studies also show that children who were molested 'willingly' showed no negative effects later in life. Are we to accept that all these studies are accurate? Or just the ones which support your conclusion?

In other words, psychology isn't an exact science, and doing case studies are even less exact. Combine the two and you may as well be using a dart board to reach conclusions. Trust your shrink when he's talking to you, but not when he's selling a book or publishing a study.
37 posted on 12/09/2004 1:39:02 PM PST by NJ_gent (Conservatism begins at home. Security begins at the border. Please, someone, secure our borders.)
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To: Junior

Ping


38 posted on 12/09/2004 1:39:19 PM PST by cjshapi
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To: Sam the Sham
True. There are a lot of "conservatives" here who think "F*ck Pigs 10" is "let freedom ring".

In a free society, people are free to do things you find disgusting, so long as they do not harm others.

39 posted on 12/09/2004 1:39:52 PM PST by Modernman (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Modernman

The same scoffing could be directed at alcoholics, who often display anti-social behavior. The groups, whether SA or AA are moderated, and anyone who isn't their for support and help are kicked out. It's sad to do that, but until you recognized that you have a problem, you cannot be helped.


40 posted on 12/09/2004 1:40:32 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: dascallie

And that is relavant how? Non-pornographic images case chemical "reactions" in the brain for everyone - we call them emotions - when a picture makes us sad, angry, smile, etc...

Pretty much anything in society has an ability to affect us all in different ways. For some people, Food triggers that "Pleasure Center", for others it's music, for some it's candy, or religion, for some people it's nothing, or... on and on and on.

Should we ban all that too, because they may have an adverse effect on an individual, thereby causing a breakdown in society?

At least try to stick to reasonable arguments, ok? :)


41 posted on 12/09/2004 1:41:48 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks ('Hate' is just a special kind of Love we give to people who suck.)
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To: Lindykim
Using a character from a Rodgers & Hammerstein musical as an example? Shades of Dan Quayle's Murphy Browne gaffe!
Also, I would submit that associating pornography with some types of mental illnesses may be confusing cause with symptom. People who desire certain types of pornographic images may already have the deviant desires that the author attempts to blame on the images themselves.

The other open question is the definition of decency versus pornography. Remember, Muslim societies require women to be completely shrouded in burkas because the public display of any part of a woman is considered indecent. Where do we draw the line?
42 posted on 12/09/2004 1:42:12 PM PST by RebelBanker (To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!)
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To: Innisfree
The Declaration of Degradation. Our founders fought to protect our God-given rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of smut. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are weak, base, self-indulgent and vile.

Written by a man who used slaves to finance his lavish lifestyle and either used them for sex or allowed his family members to do so.

43 posted on 12/09/2004 1:42:27 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: Lindykim

Trying to get some people to wake up about the destructive efffects of porn is like trying to convince a junkie that he needs to kick his heroin.

This is a tremendous threat to all of us in more ways than concrete acts of violence.

Godless, soul-raping.

But don't bother the porn aficianado with all that--he's busy gorging himself.


44 posted on 12/09/2004 1:43:11 PM PST by dascallie
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"I recently saw a report that boys aged 9-14 "

BOYS? If women didn't participate, there would be no "porn". Do the women performing become murderers?

I agree it's gone too far, but it's a 50/50 degradation. Why do so many hundreds of thousands of women degrade themselves daily in porn movies, strip clubs, escort services, street walking?

They call Sharon Stone a "movie star" when she gets banged by Michael Douglas in Basic Instinct, yet strippers who don't get touched are considered whores.

The whole thing is a mess of culture.


45 posted on 12/09/2004 1:43:36 PM PST by Time is now (We'll live to see it......Does anyone see it yet?....)
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To: Pyro7480
In Japan porn is huge. There is a scene in last year's movie "Lost in Translation" where the female American new visitor to Japan is amazed to see men openly reading porn magazines on the subway. What is the murder rate in Japan? Is it hog wild?

Now we ain't Japanese, thank G-d. I'd expect that our response to porn is different than theirs. But this theory that porn eventually results in murder -- it's bunk.

Porn can become murder to the soul -- that is more often the case, and the porn industry is not a long-lived one for those in it. Still, the thesis is here is that porn means murder, and that's not true, and easily shown so.

I dearly want their to be less porn! It is taken TOO lightly in many places. It is a real problem. But it is not murder, and to overreact this way to it will hamper the battle against it.

46 posted on 12/09/2004 1:44:16 PM PST by bvw
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To: Modernman
"I see. It wasn't his fault, Victoria's Secret made him do it. Rodriguez is therefore not responsible for his actions and should be set free."

According to some, the inner workings of the human mind are so simple that a 45-second spot on the nightly news is plenty to disagnose the cause of any given action.

Perhaps one day they'll open their eyes and realize that that's just not the case. Nah, that will probably never happen.

A conclusion is what you reach when you get tired of thinking.
47 posted on 12/09/2004 1:44:25 PM PST by NJ_gent (Conservatism begins at home. Security begins at the border. Please, someone, secure our borders.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

A porn thread on Free Republic? Now I've seen everything. ;)


48 posted on 12/09/2004 1:44:54 PM PST by TheBigB (I sure could go for a charbroiled hamburger sammich and some french fried potatoes!)
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To: RebelBanker
People who desire certain types of pornographic images may already have the deviant desires that the author attempts to blame on the images themselves.

I tend to agree. Something was going to get to these people one way or another. Some people are just bad seed, and there's nothing that can be done. You could make the argument that by having access to pornography prevents them from acting out their desires in more harmful ways.

49 posted on 12/09/2004 1:44:56 PM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: Pyro7480
I have a comparison to make in this instance. I think almost all FReepers are concerned with the threat of Islam to our civilization, and are willing to empower our government to defend us against that threat. However, sexual permissiveness in all of its manifestations also threatens our civilization, but the personal freedom argument always seems to "shut people up" on this.

For some reason I'm more concerned with what Osama did to New York than what Debbie did to Dallas.

50 posted on 12/09/2004 1:44:58 PM PST by Minn
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