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Famous Atheist Now Believes in God
NY Newsday ^ | 12/9/04 | RICHARD N. OSTLING

Posted on 12/10/2004 7:08:12 AM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo

NEW YORK -- A British philosophy professor who has been a leading champion of atheism for more than a half-century has changed his mind. He now believes in God -- more or less -- based on scientific evidence, and says so on a video released Thursday.

At age 81, after decades of insisting belief is a mistake, Antony Flew has concluded that some sort of intelligence or first cause must have created the universe. A super-intelligence is the only good explanation for the origin of life and the complexity of nature, Flew said in a telephone interview from England.

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KEYWORDS: antonyflew; atheism; atheist; atheists; convert; evolution; god; intelligentdesign; ssdd
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To: TonyRo76

Sorry if I offended you with my comment. I was mearly trying to point out that there is a difference here. Between the god that Flew envisions and the Christian one.

Again, sorry if my syntax offended. I have a large amount of respect for the Christian faith, though I am not a follower.


21 posted on 12/10/2004 7:31:22 AM PST by pnome
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To: hsrazorback1

My Mother told me that growing up. As I see men reach the end of life, death brings them so much closer to God. I don't have to wait for death to understand God.


22 posted on 12/10/2004 7:31:40 AM PST by bmwcyle (I wear sleepwear therefore I think (When they are off I am single minded))
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To: Elsie; AndrewC; jennyp; lockeliberty; RadioAstronomer; LiteKeeper; Fester Chugabrew; ...

Pingdom!


23 posted on 12/10/2004 7:31:58 AM PST by bondserv (Alignment is critical! [Check out my profile page])
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

Popular radio host David Brudnoy was a lifelong agnostic but in an interview on Tuesday, 2 days before he passed, he professed belief in God.


24 posted on 12/10/2004 7:34:31 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: pnome

every journey begins with a small step. Remember what the
parable of the mustard seed teaches.first one must have
enough faith to believe in God.Then God can give the increase.when I was dead to sin I had no basis for Truth.
WhenI first believed-- I was not sure what I believed-but
I was fed that spiritual milk -before I grew enough to try
meat.


25 posted on 12/10/2004 7:34:49 AM PST by StonyBurk
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

When a person steps in the right direction, you don't beat him over the head for not stepping far enough. I hope the people on this thread mocking Dr. Flew are not parents.


26 posted on 12/10/2004 7:34:58 AM PST by Taliesan (The power of the State to do good is the power of the State to do evil.)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

A belief in God has to precede a belief in Jesus. Once a man comes to the reality that there is a God, he can then accept that he is a sinner and unacceptable to God. Only then can a man realize he needs help from God and then is heart is open to accept Jesus as his savior. Its a process. For some the process takes seconds, for others years.


27 posted on 12/10/2004 7:35:27 AM PST by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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To: valuesvaluesvalues
This story was posted a couple times yesterday.

Then why did you repost it?

28 posted on 12/10/2004 7:36:30 AM PST by WildTurkey
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To: 2banana

"Sometimes I wonder why Jesus Christ is attacked with such viciousness."

Not sure, but I think a lot has to do with accountability and judgment, combined with denial. If you deny Him, or attack Him, then you can rationalize sinfulness and bad behavior that can be so satisfying on a base level.


29 posted on 12/10/2004 7:36:40 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

Since I doubt the good professor uncovered any additional INFORMATION to lead him to reverse himself on such an important question, it is clear that the fork in the road between theism and atheism is not a matter of education, it is a matter of some earlier premise, often at the sub-cognitive level.


30 posted on 12/10/2004 7:37:26 AM PST by Taliesan (The power of the State to do good is the power of the State to do evil.)
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To: bondserv

Thanks for the ping!


31 posted on 12/10/2004 7:38:10 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Taliesan; Michael_Michaelangelo; Alamo-Girl; marron
When a person steps in the right direction, you don't beat him over the head for not stepping far enough.

Indeed. That would be both unreasonable and uncharitable.

32 posted on 12/10/2004 7:38:17 AM PST by betty boop
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
Yet biologists' investigation of DNA "has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce (life), that intelligence must have been involved," Flew says in the new video, "Has Science Discovered God?" .

On the one hand he is accepting a God that is involved in daily adjustments to create life while on the other hand he is a Deist that rejects the notion that God is involved in day to day affairs. He apparently has not noticed his inconsistency.

33 posted on 12/10/2004 7:39:40 AM PST by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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To: valuesvaluesvalues

Incremental persuasion; how many come to Christ. We can pray for him to trust in Jesus Christ for salvation, and I am.


34 posted on 12/10/2004 7:39:58 AM PST by bondserv (Alignment is critical! [Check out my profile page])
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To: pnome
"...it's a big step from his idea of God to the one you go to church to try to talk to. ..."

????????

Christians don't have to "go" anywhere --- they ARE "the church".

35 posted on 12/10/2004 7:40:22 AM PST by Matchett-PI (All DemocRATS are either religious moral relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
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To: BibChr

Maybe we can all go to your personal website and find out.


36 posted on 12/10/2004 7:40:37 AM PST by Protagoras (Christmas is not a secular holiday)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

Pihg


37 posted on 12/10/2004 7:41:47 AM PST by VNam68 (God bless our soldiers!!)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

Ping


38 posted on 12/10/2004 7:42:07 AM PST by VNam68 (God bless our soldiers!!)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
Actually, he is simply approving again Darwin's theory. Darwin was not an atheist. He thought that evolution was like a tree with many branches; however, at its base was a single cell that was "created." That is, he believed in the creator and, hence, is also a member of the "intelligent design" school.

The real atheists began later. Also, remember that Darwin's writings occurred before genes and their ramifications were well known. I can not remember him quoted on any "gene" problem.

Militant atheism is a part and parcel of the dominant religion of our times--leftism. Its biggest proponents are Richard Dawkins et al. If you have a chance to review their arguments, you will find they declare their faith on a leap to faith a la Martin Luther. Dawkins portrays Darwin as the secular saint of secular leftism and implies he was an atheist which he was not.

39 posted on 12/10/2004 7:43:08 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: Protagoras

"Find out"... what?


40 posted on 12/10/2004 7:43:51 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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