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Famous Atheist Now Believes in God
NY Newsday ^ | 12/9/04 | RICHARD N. OSTLING

Posted on 12/10/2004 7:08:12 AM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo

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To: frog_jerk_2004

"If you are taking the contrary position, yes it is. The "There is no afterlife" argument is not self-evident."

The burden of proof lies with the one making the claim. Your claim is: There is life after death. This is an extraordinary claim. The emperical evidence suggests that death is final. It is up to you to prove that there is an afterlife.


102 posted on 12/10/2004 8:24:26 AM PST by pnome
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

No he doesn't


103 posted on 12/10/2004 8:24:35 AM PST by Scythian
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To: pnome
How many devout Christians do you know that favor marijuana legalization?

Many, I'm one and I know lots of others.

Certainly a devout Christian won't smoke marijuana themselves

Which, of course, has nothing to do with government laws.

104 posted on 12/10/2004 8:25:18 AM PST by Protagoras (Christmas is not a secular holiday)
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To: StonyBurk

We will just have to respectfully disagree.


105 posted on 12/10/2004 8:25:25 AM PST by pnome
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To: valuesvaluesvalues

Don't be too cynical. C. S. Lewis too first had a conversion to theism (from atheism), and only a couple years later did he finally believe in Christ.

Sometimes conversion is a long process.


106 posted on 12/10/2004 8:26:22 AM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: WildTurkey
WildTurkey to valuevaluesvalues:

"Then why did you repost it?"

If I'm not mistaken, valuesvaluesvalues did not repost this article.

Michael_Michaelangelo did.

107 posted on 12/10/2004 8:26:45 AM PST by chs68
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To: pnome
Christians don't want prayer in public school because they are worried about their children praying.

I'm a Christian, and I'm glad they stopped praying in public schools.

108 posted on 12/10/2004 8:27:13 AM PST by Taliesan (The power of the State to do good is the power of the State to do evil.)
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To: frog_jerk_2004
The Atheist's dilemma...

You bet, that's why I posted it. I love that song.

These folks are whistling past the graveyard even if they don't admit it.

I always tell 'em, "if I'm wrong, nothing will change for me, But if I'm right,,,,well,,,,you have a problem".

109 posted on 12/10/2004 8:27:57 AM PST by Protagoras (Christmas is not a secular holiday)
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To: frog_jerk_2004

"by his words and his resurrection."

You are taking the words of one man, who claims to be the son of this omnipotent power that created all, as fact. Also, thier is no proof that Jesus was indeed resurrected. Those are your beliefs. Like I said, I have respect for the Christian faith, but I do not believe what you do.


110 posted on 12/10/2004 8:28:10 AM PST by pnome
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To: pnome
How many devout Christians do you know that favor marijuana legalization?

none.

111 posted on 12/10/2004 8:28:17 AM PST by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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To: Raycpa
none.

Want to meet some?

112 posted on 12/10/2004 8:28:54 AM PST by Protagoras (Christmas is not a secular holiday)
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To: bullseye876

LOL!


113 posted on 12/10/2004 8:29:35 AM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory.)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

Now, if Peter Singer admitted a belief in God, then you'd have a story on your hands...


114 posted on 12/10/2004 8:30:20 AM PST by mike182d
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To: pnome
Also, thier is no proof that Jesus was indeed resurrected.

There is no proof that Socrates ever lived.

115 posted on 12/10/2004 8:30:20 AM PST by Protagoras (Christmas is not a secular holiday)
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To: pnome

"It is not Jesus who is attacked, but Christians. Mostly by people who feel that Christians are trying to dictate how they should live their lives. It's backlash from Christians obtaining political power and forcing their morals on the rest of society."

Ah. Secularists want a monopoly on imposing their morality on others.

Anyone who supports the minimum wage or environmental rules forbidding land use to protect some animal is imposing a form of morality.


117 posted on 12/10/2004 8:30:57 AM PST by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: Protagoras
Want to meet some?

I should have made a distinction between legalization and use.

118 posted on 12/10/2004 8:30:58 AM PST by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
Speaking as one who had a brief flirtation with atheism myself I believe I can explain some of their hostility towards the religious as follows.

They believe that this life is all there is. When they look deep inside they know that there is nothing else.

Therefore they must have the courage to face up to the terrifyingly cold wind of their own mortality and an eternity of oblivion and so a degree of contempt for those who, in their world view, lack the moral courage to face up to this harsh reality is perhaps understandable.

This world view is also reconcilable with atheists losing their nerve at the death. After all, what's to lose?

I emphasise that this is not what I think but I believe I have a little insight into the mindset.

I do think that some of those here who profess to be followers of Christ are too quick to judge.

119 posted on 12/10/2004 8:31:09 AM PST by Killing Time
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To: Protagoras

I do like debating with you Protagoras.

I think you have me wrong. Those laws are there because Christians lobbied to put them thier.


120 posted on 12/10/2004 8:31:54 AM PST by pnome
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