Skip to comments.Famous Atheist Now Believes in God
Posted on 12/10/2004 7:08:12 AM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo
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Dr. Flew's journey to this point is reminiscent of C.S. Lewis in his earlier years.
All journeys are a series of steps. May God bless him with many years, that the good doctor may continue the process of opening to the truth.
The "search" feature in Free Republic is very easy to use
everyone with an IQ above 90 should have no trouble.
This article was posted twice yesterday with the exact same title.
The second time it was posted the Admin Moderator locked the thread
Why hasn't this been locked as well??
Unfortunately the answer is simple, there is not much power with the "other gods" however, when the name of Jesus Christ is mentioned you automatically feel guilty of your sin, whether you believe in him or not, that is what true righteousness does it convicts the soul of its misdeeds. You can only feel comfortable with the name of Jesus once you repent.
How many "secular" folks have the education level to understand the new evidence?
I'll just bet that they wouldn't consider the "journey" of the thief on the cross to be long enough to "do" all that stuff they say is required to be "right with God", either.
If God exists, is there an infinite number of Gods or finite number ? What is your best guess ?
Or, the universe always existed and never had a beginning. Maybe we are unable to comprehend that. - Tom
I guess that would explain the legalization of abortion, gay marriage, kids being able to get an abortion without their parents knowledge, the taking "Christ" out of Christmas, taking "God" out of the pledge of allegiance, not being able to say "Merry Christmas" to anyone, sad etc..
Do you think it was wrong for Christians to obtain political power to stop slavery ?
Hey fellow Canuck.
Probably because it's a different day. We've all seen countless threads that pointed to the same root story for innumerable polls prior to the November election, day after day, after day, ad nauseum.
I'm not on FR every day, so I appreciate the opportunity to catch up on some info that's been posted and chewed on by others, at an earlier date.
BTW, did you hear about the players offering to take a 24% pay cut as an incentive to the owners to get off their duffs and get the season started again?
"If God exists, is there an infinite number of Gods or finite number ? What is your best guess ?"
interesting question. I'm not sure what you are trying to get at, so I will make a guess, and it will be a complete and total guess.
I'll guess finite. 42. :)
Who attacks Jesus Christ "with viciousness"? Christians maybe, but Christ himself?
The answer to the question you asked.
I know for sure we can find out what your opinions are about the bible. Not that anyone should care, but who knows, some people like to read about all kinds of unconventional opinions.
You must be having trouble getting hits on your opinion page. Jim usually doesn't like people self promoting their sites on his, but that's his call.
Yes. Hence the differentiation between legalistic action and grace-founded responsiveness.
Are all 42 equally powerfull and all knowing ?
100% it is amazing how fast you find God when you are looking at the end of the line. Regardless, I say to all who accept Christ welcome to the family.
"Do you think it was wrong for Christians to obtain political power to stop slavery ?"
Certainly not. But how about my other pet issue on these boards, marijuana. Is it right for Christians to say yes to wine, but no to grass? I don't want to get off track, but this is just an example.
How about, say, prayer in school. Christians don't want prayer in public school because they are worried about their children praying. No doubt those kids get plenty of prayer in, they want OTHER peoples children to pray.
Excuse me. I didn't get the impression that you thought you were speaking out of what you considered to be ignorance when you wrote this:
"He has a good argument no doubt. However, it's a big step from his idea of God to the one you go to church to try to talk to." ~ pnome
Sent to family --
Re this URL -- http://www.nynewsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-believing-atheist,0,985912.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines
I find it oddly empathetic with my feelings about religion. At the very least, it is a constructive, thought provoking article. If not, then it would remind of the old saw (aka truism) - 'None are so blind as those that will not see'.
I still ponder and appreciate the philosophical opinion of a great philosopher (name escapes me) that -
'" There must be a God for, coming to know man, if there were no God man would have created one"
Like I said- food for thought.
God protect our GI kids in harm's way, L+ve, R.
Happily, all the facts are laid out in my essays; nothing hidden. Folks can judge for themselves. You seem to find it personally threatening and in need of some attempt at dismissal. Deny it if you like; what's undeniable is, that's your affair.
Which isn't as happy a thing as it sounds at first blush.
And I'll start worrying about my unobtrusive little linked invitations, when Jim starts cracking down on folks who post large personal iconic graphics with every single post they write (see Sabertooth, Atomic Possum, etc.)
I do regret my previous syntax. I am not a Christian, but I do have some concept of the god Christians worship. My ignorance is in traditions.
Just that, the god that Flew describs is not the god Christians worship. My mistake on where it is Christians do thier worshiping.
Personally I don't see anything as craven as a CYA gesture in this philosopher's new understanding. He says he still doesn't believe in an afterlife, so what would he be trying to cover his @$$ for? Anyway, it's more difficult to change your mind at the end of your life, when your whole mind is oriented in a certain way. I find it commendable that this man is able to reverse his position and undergo what must be a certain amount of public humiliation in admitting that his whole life has been wrong. Such humility and moral courage will lead him down the path toward further enlightenment, and may perhaps even take him into the arms of Christ.
Be slow to criticize. No matter how mature a Christian you are, there are some who are yet further along on the path toward God than you are, and they do not look down on you.
You're pretty sure of yourself on those points without evidence...
...Look around - there are countless unmistakable hints that God exists...
Exactly. It does not take much to see if you want to see.
Look at flowers. Accident would have created bland, simple designs. You see the work of One who chose to display beauty, color, uniqueness for survivability. Almost like an artist creating gifts of love to a world he created.
Look at the birds, insects, small animals - each unique and specific for their needs. Accident would have created only a few with very basic needs.
Look in the eyes of dogs and family pets. Why would they have been made by accident? But, from a God who saw the need of something that accepted man as he was, that provided comfort, joy, companionship and love, it can be seen as a wonderful gift from a loving God. Accident would not have cared.
Just look at any aspect of life around you and compare what accident would have provided - something simple, bland, with few variations. But what do you see - each totally created for its purpose, with millions of variations of design with each for a purpose for that creature.
Again - the work of an Artist who loves the world.
"Are all 42 equally powerfull and all knowing ?"
Just another guess, but I'll say no they arn't. Each in charge of a different aspect of the universe. Again, just a wild guess.
So its not Christians per se.
If they are not equal, then what happens if they disagree or overlap ?
"You're pretty sure of yourself on those points without evidence..."
And the pope is pretty sure I'm wrong without evidence. The claim that thier is a heaven, and the claim that there is not, have the same amount of evidence to back them up.
betty boop: Indeed. That would be both unreasonable and uncharitable.
It appears that Mr. Flew was significantly persuaded by Gerald Schroeder - an Orthodox Jewish Physicist we cite now and again on various science threads.
IOW, it appears to me that Mr. Flew was sensitive to an intellectual argument for God. But that is not the same as the Christian witness spoken of in so very many passages throughout Scripture namely, letting our light (actually, His Light) shine, loving our neighbors, kindness and such. Jesus honors us by allowing the unbeliever to hear Him through us. We can do nothing on our own (John 15). And not every unbeliever can (or is willing to) hear Him (John 10).
IMHO, it is rarely successful when a Christian beats an unbeliever over the head with a five pound Bible however, a surgical mentioning of passages applicable to the unbelievers quandary of the moment or even just leaving the Scriptures here and there (Gideons approach) - is always effective (Isaiah 55:11).
LOL, It's my job man. Card carrying member of the Curmudgeon Club.
folks who post large personal iconic graphics with every single post they write (see Sabertooth, Atomic Possum, etc.)
You mean like this one?
Where is the evidence to the contrary?
"If they are not equal, then what happens if they disagree or overlap ?"
They never disagree or overlap. They all have thier set functions that take care of everything in the universe. (more complete guessing)
"Where is the evidence to the contrary?"
The burden of proof is not on me. It is on the one making the claim that thier IS a heaven.
Nothing. I forgot to do it. Normally I do, but this time I was in a hurry and posted it without checking. I apologize.
It's nice to know you are policing the boards, though.
How did they get their assigned functions ?
Geez! thanks SO MUCH for an image that I'm sure will haunt my ENTIRE DAY!
It is not my place--nor intent to convince anyone of anything.You are entitled to your fuzzyheaded suppositions.
I find comfort in Scripture that bit about They shall know the truth and the truth shall set them free." I personally
find it B.S. that any unbeliever should embrace the false
doctrine of secular humanism.for that is against Nature and
It's not so hard nor does it take so long
to look through the threads posted the previous day.
I, for one, want to know what others might have said about a topic that interests me.
It's more than a bit of a pain in the a**
to go back to look for other threads that have discussed the exact same article
and to follow the discussion on two (or more) different threads.
If you are taking the contrary position, yes it is. The "There is no afterlife" argument is not self-evident.
I haven't read the whole thread and don't even know the man, but my first thought on reading the title was ------How many people did he influence with his previous belief?
Maybe God turned the switch on. Maybe he didn't. Only he knows.
The Pope is not making this claim on his own and he is not the source of the claim. This claim was demonstrated by Jesus Christ, by his words and his resurrection.
Now troubles are many, they're as deep as a well.
I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell.
Swear there ain't no heaven and I pray there ain't no hell,
But I'll never know by living, only my dying will tell.
Yes only my dying will tell.
Yeah, only my dying will tell.
Blood, Sweat and Tears
A little dose of love with every helping of abuse. :^}
The Atheist's dilemma...
Granted. But laziness overcomes me more often than not. Plus, on second threads you don't get the same mix of opinion on the topic previously discussed, and it's entertaining to see the divergence of opinions, to me.
Canucks fan, or one of those frozen-tundra easterners?