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1 posted on 12/10/2004 7:08:12 AM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo
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Helooooo... McFly.......


3 posted on 12/10/2004 7:09:59 AM PST by dubie
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Ping


4 posted on 12/10/2004 7:10:18 AM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory.)
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He has a good argument no doubt. However, it's a big step from his idea of God to the one you go to church to try to talk to.


5 posted on 12/10/2004 7:10:41 AM PST by pnome
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Flew said. "My whole life has been guided by the principle of Plato's Socrates: Follow the evidence, wherever it leads."
6 posted on 12/10/2004 7:12:53 AM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory.)
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"At age 81, after decades of insisting belief is a mistake..."

Hmmmm. He's 81, not much time left on the calendar. Could this be a bit of philosophical CYA?


7 posted on 12/10/2004 7:13:17 AM PST by brownsfan (Post No Bills)
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My first thought was about Madelein Murray O'Hair. I'm sure she's a believer by now.


10 posted on 12/10/2004 7:15:52 AM PST by abishai
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I'll tell you what: there are only two kinds of people who could indulge in the kinds of remarks I'm seeing in this thread about some poor devil who's trying to make an effort to understand the Almighty after years of pigheaded disbelief. Christians (of course) and atheists.


13 posted on 12/10/2004 7:18:16 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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Hey, Mr. Flew, I got one word for you... DUH!!!


14 posted on 12/10/2004 7:18:58 AM PST by 14erClimb
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Sometimes I wonder why Jesus Christ is attacked with such viciousness. I don't know the answer. Maybe it is because people know deep inside there maybe something right about it but would rather attack it than think about it or change. Maybe it is because becoming a Christian is so against everything we now believe in our culture (being cool, materialism, it is all about me, PC politics, etc.). Maybe it is because some live their entire lives in a set of beliefs and near the end of it look back and see it all mattered for nothing and are pissed.

Sometimes the concept of hell gets people worked up. The argument on "How can a good God cast people into hell when they have lived a pretty good life" is false logic. Hell is a place where God is absent. This is exactly what the people who rejected God all their lives wanted. The "pit" of hell maybe a very comfortable place where everyone who rejected God their entire lives must now reside knowing they had lived their lives in a lie. That they had wasted it all. That actually may be worse than a guy with pitchfork.

God has given us all the "free will" to chose. God has sent his only son to die for us, to suffer for our sins and to show us the way. God could have easily made a bunch of robots that would do everything he said but instead loved us enough for us to make our own decisions. I tell people to make their own decision after they have reviewed the evidence. After all, Jesus Christ's resurrection is either the supreme fact in the history of mankind or a gigantic hoax. If Christ's resurrection is true -- people ignore its implications at their own peril. If not -- Christianity is the biggest fraud in the history of the world and should be easy enough to disprove. If they believe it is a hoax, then they must take an honest look at the evidence. And the evidence is overwhelming...


15 posted on 12/10/2004 7:25:37 AM PST by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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So next week when another even 'better' argument 'against the existence of God' appears....

He will change his mind again?...

The bible says ..even the demons 'believe' and tremble.....

Satan knows of God's existence and power as FACT....he also knows who the Holy Spirit is and who Jesus Christ the Son of the living God is and that Jesus is God.

Satan also knows full well what is ultimately in store for him and his herd of demons.....

Yet.....this knowledge has not changed his heart one iota.
19 posted on 12/10/2004 7:29:37 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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Pingdom!


23 posted on 12/10/2004 7:31:58 AM PST by bondserv (Alignment is critical! [Check out my profile page])
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Popular radio host David Brudnoy was a lifelong agnostic but in an interview on Tuesday, 2 days before he passed, he professed belief in God.


24 posted on 12/10/2004 7:34:31 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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When a person steps in the right direction, you don't beat him over the head for not stepping far enough. I hope the people on this thread mocking Dr. Flew are not parents.


26 posted on 12/10/2004 7:34:58 AM PST by Taliesan (The power of the State to do good is the power of the State to do evil.)
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A belief in God has to precede a belief in Jesus. Once a man comes to the reality that there is a God, he can then accept that he is a sinner and unacceptable to God. Only then can a man realize he needs help from God and then is heart is open to accept Jesus as his savior. Its a process. For some the process takes seconds, for others years.


27 posted on 12/10/2004 7:35:27 AM PST by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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Since I doubt the good professor uncovered any additional INFORMATION to lead him to reverse himself on such an important question, it is clear that the fork in the road between theism and atheism is not a matter of education, it is a matter of some earlier premise, often at the sub-cognitive level.


30 posted on 12/10/2004 7:37:26 AM PST by Taliesan (The power of the State to do good is the power of the State to do evil.)
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Yet biologists' investigation of DNA "has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce (life), that intelligence must have been involved," Flew says in the new video, "Has Science Discovered God?" .

On the one hand he is accepting a God that is involved in daily adjustments to create life while on the other hand he is a Deist that rejects the notion that God is involved in day to day affairs. He apparently has not noticed his inconsistency.

33 posted on 12/10/2004 7:39:40 AM PST by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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Pihg


37 posted on 12/10/2004 7:41:47 AM PST by VNam68 (God bless our soldiers!!)
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Ping


38 posted on 12/10/2004 7:42:07 AM PST by VNam68 (God bless our soldiers!!)
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Actually, he is simply approving again Darwin's theory. Darwin was not an atheist. He thought that evolution was like a tree with many branches; however, at its base was a single cell that was "created." That is, he believed in the creator and, hence, is also a member of the "intelligent design" school.

The real atheists began later. Also, remember that Darwin's writings occurred before genes and their ramifications were well known. I can not remember him quoted on any "gene" problem.

Militant atheism is a part and parcel of the dominant religion of our times--leftism. Its biggest proponents are Richard Dawkins et al. If you have a chance to review their arguments, you will find they declare their faith on a leap to faith a la Martin Luther. Dawkins portrays Darwin as the secular saint of secular leftism and implies he was an atheist which he was not.

39 posted on 12/10/2004 7:43:08 AM PST by shrinkermd
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I never met an Atheist on the battlefield.

Semper Fi,
Kelly


41 posted on 12/10/2004 7:44:44 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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