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Peggy Noonan: Where Are They Now? (Hillary Clinton plots her return)
Opinionjournal.com ^ | Thursday, December 9, 2004

Posted on 12/10/2004 10:39:38 AM PST by Area Freeper

We have been writing lately about Republicans. Let's pay some attention to Hillary Clinton, just for fun.

I wrote a book about her more than four years ago. The idea came from a friend, a bright former-Republican-now-Democrat who thought my Wall Street Journal pieces on Mrs. Clinton's looming senatorial candidacy could be turned into something longer that made the case against her. I immediately thought: Yes, that could make a difference. I went to my publisher, who agreed, and I hit it hard, speaking to Mrs. Clinton's friends and enemies, scouring the record. What I concluded was that Mrs. Clinton was an unusually cynical leftist political operative who had no great respect for the citizens of the United States or for America itself, but who saw our country as a platform for her core ambitions: to rise and achieve historic personal and political power both with her husband and without him.

Since the book came out I haven't written much about Mrs. Clinton. I'd said what I had to say. In interviews on the book tour I said what seemed to me the obvious: she would keep her head down in the Senate and work hard, she would gain praise for her ability to get along with Republican senators, she would position herself as a moderate, and run for the presidency in 2008.

She is, right now, in what is surely the happiest time in all of her life, her zestful, independent and productive 50s. She is the single most powerful figure in the Democratic Party. She is popular and broadly supported in her adopted home state. She has a star's presence at meetings, symposiums, podiums and parties. She is the Democrats' premier fundraiser. She is its presumptive presidential nominee in the 2008 cycle. Her daughter is grown and launched

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1 posted on 12/10/2004 10:39:39 AM PST by Area Freeper
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To: Area Freeper

Peggy Noonan bump.


2 posted on 12/10/2004 10:52:39 AM PST by iceskater (The UN Oil for Food scandal has cost our troops their lives. Time for Kofi to go.)
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To: Area Freeper

I've circulated to a lot of non-FR, anti-Hitlery people.


3 posted on 12/10/2004 11:03:44 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Area Freeper

Another great one for Ms. Noonan! Good insight into Hillary Clinton.

BUMP!


4 posted on 12/10/2004 11:04:38 AM PST by Theresawithanh (Snappy, witty, humerous tagline needed! Will pay in Marlboro Miles...)
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To: Area Freeper
She does not intend to go down in flames as a leftist when she runs for president. This will take guile. She has guile.


5 posted on 12/10/2004 11:04:48 AM PST by Slyfox
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To: Slyfox

Slyfox, that's a GREAT button! And I'm not lion! Saving it for passing on.


6 posted on 12/10/2004 11:06:48 AM PST by Theresawithanh (Snappy, witty, humerous tagline needed! Will pay in Marlboro Miles...)
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To: Area Freeper
This should be read in GOP leadership circles. I Hillary gets to the right of Bush on Homeland defense and immigration, she can win IMO. If there is an attack by terrorists who come through the Southern border, Bush will spend the rest of his term on the defensive.
7 posted on 12/10/2004 11:08:43 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Area Freeper
They've got a deep bench and a big fight coming. Alphabetically the list so far can be considered to include George Allen, Bill Frist, Rudy Giuliani, Chuck Hagel, John McCain, Bill Owens, George Pataki, Mitt Romney, and beyond that any number of potential surprise guests from Tommy Thompson to Colin Powell to Mrs. Hutchison. It will be quite a race. I'm already looking forward to it.

Me too. And Peggy is a little more up on a couple good potential candidates-Owens, Allen, and Romney. Add Mark Sanford and Tom Tancredo to that list. Tancredo's gonna run, you can bet on that. Will he win? No. But he'll run. IMHO, the Sanford factor aside, out of Noonan's list these will be the front-runners:

Romney, Frist, Allen, and possibly Owens, but his marital difficulties are making this less likely. Sanford is much like Owens but more fiscally conservative, which is why I like him. My dream ticket would be Sanford or Allen paired up with Tancredo or Romney as a running mate. We do need at least one Southerner on the ticket, I think.

8 posted on 12/10/2004 11:09:34 AM PST by RockinRight (Liberals are OK with racism and sexism, as long as it is aimed at a Republican.)
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To: Truth29

How many of the 911 attackers entered this country illegally?


9 posted on 12/10/2004 11:12:16 AM PST by Area Freeper (From John Kerry, they get a "yes/no/maybe" bowl of mush that can only encourage our enemies)
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To: Area Freeper
"The idea came from a friend, a bright former-Republican-now-Democrat who..."

Peggy was friends with Arianna?

10 posted on 12/10/2004 11:14:33 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: RockinRight

Methinks Jeb Bush is going to put himself into the Hillaryesque position of rooting for his party's candidate to lose in a squeaker.

Not that I want him to run, mindyou. Three President Bushes within twenty years is more than a little bit creepy.


11 posted on 12/10/2004 11:15:58 AM PST by Area Freeper (From John Kerry, they get a "yes/no/maybe" bowl of mush that can only encourage our enemies)
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To: Area Freeper

Naa, Jeb ain't gonna run. And this is coming from a guy that likes Jeb better than his brother!


12 posted on 12/10/2004 11:17:32 AM PST by RockinRight (Liberals are OK with racism and sexism, as long as it is aimed at a Republican.)
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To: Area Freeper
That has no bearing on the comment of an attack through the Southern Border. Al Qaeda will change tactics as weaknesses are exposed. However, one part of the intelligence reform bill stripped from in the Conference was a strengthening of licensing requirements. The 9/11 hijackers had 63 state issued driver's licenses. One of them was actually stopped and cited, but the information the police needed was not available there was no detention. This is another opportunity for Hillary.
13 posted on 12/10/2004 11:24:35 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Area Freeper

On the money. Absolutely convincing analysis.

The big thing that worries me is the Republican candidate who will oppose her. Some of the names she mentions would be excellent. But are they well enough known, and can they win the backing of party leaders? Some of them are avid pro-abortionists, who would split the party and let hillary creep into office through the wreckage.

I don't think Hillary can win this election. But I do think the Republicans could lose it. Let us pray.


14 posted on 12/10/2004 11:25:11 AM PST by Cicero (Nil illegitemus carborundum est)
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To: Truth29

Sealing the border is unrealistic and irelevant. If the terrorists have the funding for airline tickets and access to forged documents (and if they are able to get from the Mid East to Texas, they do) why walk when you can fly?


15 posted on 12/10/2004 11:27:54 AM PST by Area Freeper (From John Kerry, they get a "yes/no/maybe" bowl of mush that can only encourage our enemies)
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To: Truth29
This should be read in GOP leadership circles.

Hillary is real good at mesmerizing, er, charming those she needs to dominate. What our guys need to do is be aware that she does that to gain the upper hand. She, in effect, slides her hand into their back pocket, making nice and fluttering her eyelashes, and then she never takes that hand out. Yep, she keeps a hand on their butt cheek and every once in a while she gives them a little pat. Just to remind them of her 'lovable' nature. So, when it comes time to do something for her they are only to willing to comply. In the end, they don't know how she has a hold on them.

To all of y'all in the GOP:

Remove Hillary's Hand From Yer Back Pocket!!

16 posted on 12/10/2004 11:30:02 AM PST by Slyfox
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To: Area Freeper

Um, let me take a guess: ALL of them?


17 posted on 12/10/2004 11:39:29 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Marysecretary

No. NONE of them.


18 posted on 12/10/2004 11:42:11 AM PST by Area Freeper (From John Kerry, they get a "yes/no/maybe" bowl of mush that can only encourage our enemies)
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To: Area Freeper
The items and discussion below are not about "sealing the border," but about needed steps to help internal security. Many of them would have been useful before 9/11 and now. The list is exerpted from www.fairus.org.

  Here's a run-down of highlights on what the Senate stripped out, and what was included in the final conference agreement.

Ban on Driver's Licenses for Illegal Aliens Dropped, Replaced with Don't Ask, Don't Tell Policy: While federal law currently is silent on the question of whether issuance of driver's licenses to illegal aliens is aiding and abetting illegal immigration, the final conference report stipulates that the federal government "may not infringe on a state's power to set criteria concerning what categories of individuals are eligible to obtain a driver's license or personal identification card from the state." In essence, this language says to the states that they can give driver's licenses and ID cards to whomever they want, including illegal aliens and the terrorists among them, and it's none of the federal government's business.

Even more outrageous, the final conference report effectively requires states who do not issue driver's licenses to illegal aliens to accept driver's licenses and ID cards from states that do.

Ban on Matricula Consular Identification Cards Dropped: The conference agreement did not include a House-passed provision that would have barred acceptance of non-verifiable matricula consular ID cards for any federal purpose. These cards are only needed by illegal aliens. All legal residents and foreign visitors can use foreign passports or U.S.-issued documents to establish identity.

Expansion of Expedited Removal Dropped: Senate conferees stripped a House-passed provision that would have expanded expedited removal of criminals and illegal aliens to include those apprehended in the interior and those encountered along the U.S. border between U.S. ports of entry. It also would have expanded the period of time during which an alien in the U.S. is subject to the procedure from two to five years.

New Evidentiary Standards for Asylum Dropped and Replaced with More Studies: Senate conferees stripped out a House-passed provision that would have established a new evidentiary standard that applicants would have to meet in order to prove their claims for asylum and placed the burden of proof on the alien to demonstrate eligibility for asylum. This provision was designed to address a loophole in our asylum process that currently can be exploited by terrorists to gain easy access to the country under fraudulent asylum claims. The House provision was stripped out and replaced with a study "to evaluate the extent to which weaknesses in the United States asylum system and withholding of removal system have been or could be exploited by aliens connected to, charged in connection with, or tied to terrorist activity." Rather than take a proactive step to close these dangerous loopholes, Senate conferees prefer to take the "wait and see" approach, which continues to leave us vulnerable. Restrictions on Judiciary Review

Dropped: Senate conferees stripped out a House-passed provision that would have eliminated extraneous judicial review of removal decisions, a dilatory tactic often used to delay justified deportation at the expense of taxpayers and safety.

Expansion of Terrorist-Related Grounds of Inadmissibility Dropped: The conference agreement strikes a House-passed section that would have expanded the terrorist-related grounds of inadmissibility.

Increases in Border Patrol Agents, ICE Investigators, and Detention Bed Space "Subject to Appropriations": The conference report does at least include provisions to increase border patrol agents, ICE investigators, and detention bed space, but these increases are "subject to appropriations" which means that there is no guarantee that money will be made available to implement them.

Expedites Implementation of Entry/Exit System: The conference report includes a House provision to expedite the full implementation of the biometric entry/exit system designed to screen visitors, also known as U.S.-VISIT.

19 posted on 12/10/2004 11:44:38 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Area Freeper

Really? I didn't know that. Hmm. I think people from Saudi Arabia can get in without visas, is that correct?


20 posted on 12/10/2004 11:48:04 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Area Freeper

Me thinks "something wicked this way comes".


22 posted on 12/10/2004 12:01:15 PM PST by BwanaNdege (Trust, but verify!)
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To: Area Freeper
She could disavow what she has written in the past, but never has.

I think Peggy's wrong here...Hillary Clinton will "disavow" what she's written in the past in a heartbeat if it is causing her trouble.

And the left won't care because they'll know she doesn't really mean it.

23 posted on 12/10/2004 12:05:49 PM PST by what's up
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To: Area Freeper
Hillary will get a significant number of votes just because she is a Democrat (see Kerry v Bush). She will get a significant number of votes because she has a vagina and many similarly equipped voters will view this as the most significant qualification for any candidate.

She is dangerous. Always remember, do not grant any powers to the government today that you do not want Hillary to have in four years.
24 posted on 12/10/2004 12:07:40 PM PST by Blue Screen of Death (/i)
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To: RockinRight
Naa, Jeb ain't gonna run.

May I ask what you base this feeling on? I noted that Peggy Noonan did not include Jeb Bush in her "deep bench" list. The ones she did include were either people who were too liberal to get nominated by the national GOP (McCain, Giuliani, and Pataki, for instance), or are relatively unknown nationally (Allen, Hagel, and Owens, particularly). It's going to take someone with national name recognition, and who has solid conservative credentials to assume the Republican nomination and beat Hillary, if indeed she's the nominee.

Why not Jeb?

25 posted on 12/10/2004 12:32:24 PM PST by hunter112 (Total victory, both in the USA and the Middle East!)
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To: hunter112

He has publicly stated he won't run. Not even for Senate (which is a shame).


26 posted on 12/10/2004 12:47:51 PM PST by RockinRight (Liberals are OK with racism and sexism, as long as it is aimed at a Republican.)
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To: Blue Screen of Death
She will get a significant number of votes because she has a vagina

Well...she's rumored to...

27 posted on 12/10/2004 12:52:34 PM PST by RockinRight (Liberals are OK with racism and sexism, as long as it is aimed at a Republican.)
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To: Area Freeper

Hitlery would be worse than Kerry and Gore put together. Just what the nation doesn't need, Fidel Castro in drag in the White House.

We need to mobilize and prevent her re-election to the Senate.


28 posted on 12/10/2004 12:55:08 PM PST by Malleus Dei ("Communists are just Democrats in a hurry.")
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To: RockinRight

I didn't hear that. I'm quite disappointed. At least in the Senate, he could serve our country quite ably.


29 posted on 12/10/2004 1:18:54 PM PST by hunter112 (Total victory, both in the USA and the Middle East!)
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To: Slyfox

"making nice and fluttering her eyelashes."

She doesn't exactly flutter her eyelashes. She opens her eyes so wide with faked delight it looks like she's been stuck in the butt with a stun gun. She must think this charms people. Instead, it just looks like she's about to have to kiss ol' Bill and the prospect horrifies her. She'd prefer a smooch with Janet Reno.


30 posted on 12/10/2004 5:01:57 PM PST by WestSylvanian
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To: Area Freeper
...What I concluded was that Mrs. Clinton was an unusually cynical leftist political operative who had no great respect for the citizens of the United States or for America itself...

do not be deceived America....

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31 posted on 12/10/2004 7:17:17 PM PST by Antioch
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To: Antioch
Very interesting pic.

It was Lenin who said, "The key to Marxism is medicine."

No wonder Hillary went after health care with such a vengence.

32 posted on 12/10/2004 9:59:50 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: Area Freeper
Noonan writes: What I concluded was that Mrs. Clinton was an unusually cynical leftist political operative who had no great respect for the citizens of the United States or for America itself, but who saw our country as a platform for her core ambitions: to rise and achieve historic personal and political power both with her husband and without him.

Bingo! She's pegged Hillary perfectly.

Makes me wonder, what are HRC's "core ambitions?"

Hillary doesn't respect Americans or America
but she craves to rule over us.

All plotted and planned from the beginning...

Even in the name she gave her little girl.

"Chelsea Victoria" Clinton
"Shall-see Victory"

33 posted on 12/11/2004 8:12:17 AM PST by reformjoy (You really don't want to call her President, do you? Hitlery, NO WAY.)
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To: hunter112

"Why not Jeb?"

There's also the appearance of a dynasty. That might turn off some voters.

With respect to Hillary, I'm just waiting to see her applying for a gun permit, taking a hunting trip, quoting the Scripture, attending Church with cameras in tow, and signing along to "Country Sunshine", "Country Roads", and "Coal Miner's Daughter."

And I will bet anybody that she won't be using Whoopi Goldberg for her fundraisers in 2008. At worst, she'll have to use the Dixie Chicks. And maybe she can coax Garth Brooks and Trisha Yearwood out of retirement (I hear that they are liberals.)


34 posted on 12/11/2004 9:00:34 PM PST by nj26
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To: nj26
There's also the appearance of a dynasty. That might turn off some voters.

If the Presidency of the United States were handed off as in an old fashioned monarchy, yes, that might be a very valid point. However, in order to get elected, one has to beat one's opponent in an election, no matter who your daddy was. If Hillary and Bill aren't some kind of a dynasty, well, we can always point out the Kennedys to the Rats!

35 posted on 12/11/2004 11:14:04 PM PST by hunter112 (Total victory, both in the USA and the Middle East!)
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To: Marysecretary

I have never heard that, but I suspect it is incorrect. I work with a Canadian who has an MBA from McGill, but had a very difficult time getting into this country.


36 posted on 12/13/2004 6:47:54 AM PST by Area Freeper (From John Kerry, they get a "yes/no/maybe" bowl of mush that can only encourage our enemies)
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To: Area Freeper

btt


37 posted on 12/13/2004 7:17:37 AM PST by lilmsdangrus
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To: Area Freeper

I could swear I heard that, perhaps here or on FNC. Oh well, I could also be very wrong.


38 posted on 12/13/2004 12:47:56 PM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Marysecretary

Fox and others (especially the moronic Michael Savage) exaggerate the threat to our borders because it appeals to the hangups of the least common denominator. Securing our borders is next to impossible and valueless. Anyone with the resources to commit a terrorist act in this country has the money and the identification to enter this country "legally." All 19 911 hijackers did.


39 posted on 12/22/2004 6:24:26 AM PST by Area Freeper (From John Kerry, they get a "yes/no/maybe" bowl of mush that can only encourage our enemies)
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To: Area Freeper
On immigration she has begun talking tough on border security, accusing the administration of not spending enough, employing enough people, using the best technology. She recently called herself "adamantly against illegal immigrants," by which she no doubt meant illegal immigration, and has been inching toward support for a national ID card.

So.........Opposition to 'Illegals' is purely a Republican/Conservative issue.

Don't get me wrong here but what about the 'Unions', the stalwart voting block of the Democ-Rat-ick Party? This subject should cut both ways in that unionless, cheap labor is an abomination to this Rat constituency.

40 posted on 12/22/2004 7:04:56 AM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Area Freeper

How do you keep anyone from coming in from Canada or Mexico? Anyone who wants to can get in someplace that's not protected. You're right. People keep saying things to scare others or get them to thinking negatively about almost everything. You'd think we were the worst country in the world! This is the price you pay for being free, I guess.


41 posted on 12/22/2004 7:38:37 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Antioch


I used the same goofy Hillary picture for this one.
42 posted on 12/22/2004 8:36:51 AM PST by Bon mots
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