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CIA sued over WMD 'falsification'
bbc.co.uk ^ | Friday, 10 December, 2004 | bbc

Posted on 12/11/2004 7:10:08 AM PST by crushelits


A former CIA officer is suing his employers for retaliating against him for his alleged refusal to falsify reports on weapons of mass destruction.

In a complaint published on Wednesday, the unnamed operative said he was warned by a colleague that management wanted to "get him" for his actions.

His reports were "contrary to official dogma", the document says.

The subject of the reporting has been blacked out, but correspondents say the complaint clearly refers to Iraq.

The CIA has refused to comment on the lawsuit, but spokeswoman Anya Guilsher told the Washington Post newspaper that the idea that officers were ordered to falsify reports was "flat wrong".

'Sham'

The plaintiff maintains that he had attempted to report intelligence on weapons of mass destruction in 2001 and 2002, but was thwarted by his superiors who then insisted on his falsifying his reports.

When he refused to do this, investigations were allegedly made against him into allegations that he had sex with a female informer and stole money used to pay informers.

The plaintiff said in the complaint that both investigations were "a sham, initiated for the sole purpose of discrediting him and retaliating against him".

The operative was sacked in August 2004 for "unspecific reasons", but is seeking the restoration of his salary, job and promotions denied to him, as well as compensation.

The plaintiff's lawyer, Roy Krieger, has requested a meeting with CIA Director Porter Goss, or another representative, to discuss the allegations in this case, "including deliberately misleading the president on intelligence concerning weapons of mass destruction".


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cia; civilwar; falsification; intelligence; lawsuit; sued; wmd

1 posted on 12/11/2004 7:10:09 AM PST by crushelits
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To: crushelits

Whatever you say, BBC.


2 posted on 12/11/2004 7:14:57 AM PST by Tealc (Mail me if you want on or off my Jaffa, Kree! ping list)
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To: crushelits

Does he really want to go back to the organization that fired him? That is prima facie evidence of poor judgement to me. Poor judgement. Hmmm....


3 posted on 12/11/2004 7:17:31 AM PST by Felis_irritable
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To: crushelits

I kind of doubt this story.

It is possible this guy never worked for the CIA and is just fishing for information and/or trying to embarrass the CIA.

A foreign government may be behind this.

The KGB sometimes starts lawsuits, for example.

The CIA has said nothing.


4 posted on 12/11/2004 7:22:03 AM PST by Snapple
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To: crushelits
"...the unnamed operative said he was warned by a colleague that management wanted to "get him" for his actions."

I hope he just disappears.

5 posted on 12/11/2004 7:30:22 AM PST by TommyDale
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To: crushelits

Is this one of the lefties that Porter Goss kicked out?


7 posted on 12/11/2004 8:11:02 AM PST by Edgerunner (The left ain't right. Hand me that launch pickle...)
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To: Diogenesis

Verity should be your tag. How soon the sheeple in the MSM world have probably forgotten and been lulled back to sleep.


8 posted on 12/11/2004 8:23:05 AM PST by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: Diogenesis

Diogenesis,

You are at it again. Do you honestly belive that those vials pictured contained SARIN? Obviously you do and your ignorance is totally unbelievable! The story was broken by a journalist and quickly withdrawn. Take a look at the inscriptions. SOMAN, SARIN, V Gases. These are standard testing kits for the presence of nerve agents. Check out other posts on Freepers in regards to this find in Fallujah.

"green band, the symbol for chemical weaponry. Trace amounts of a nerve agent were found at two spots along the ~meter-long warhead."

Utter non-sense. The green band might be US mil standards, but it does not exist world-wide. The US military stated that the initial tests using basic meter instruments was wrong. A second test produced a negative result. Why do you still inist that this was a chemical warhead?

Those examples are as bad as you posting the picture of the SA-3 GUIDELINE travelling through the outskirts of Baghhdad. Remember that?

Diogenesis, here is the link to the report:

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/13/sprj.irq.kirkuk.warhead/

"Sunday, April 13, 2003 Posted: 0809 GMT ( 4:09 PM HKT)


KIRKUK, Iraq (CNN) -- A second set of preliminary chemical tests conducted Saturday on a warhead discovered at an occupied northern Iraqi airbase in Kirkuk found no trace of chemical weaponry, contradicting earlier tests which found trace amounts of a nerve agent.

The warhead tested at zero on a six-bar scale in two separate "Improved Chemical Agent Monitor" (ICAM) tests conducted by U.S. soldiers after two other tests performed with ICAM equipment by other soldiers scored one bar each time.

One of the soldiers who performed the second set of tests told CNN that nothing much should be read into the findings because no definitive answers will emerge until chemical experts arrive at the base and break into the warhead. Those experts were notified of the warhead's discovery, but it is not clear when they will arrive at the base.

The initial one-bar score would be consistent with some leakage from a chemically armed weapon, military sources had told CNN. The earlier trace amounts were found in two spots on the baseball bat-length warhead -- at the rear and in the middle where there is a screwed-down circular area about the size of a quarter.

The warhead is about the width of a coffee can and is marked with a green band which, military sources told CNN, is the universal symbol for chemical weaponry.

Soldiers were standing guard Saturday outside the storage facility where the warhead was discovered Friday during routine operations to secure the airfield. A big wooden box next to the one containing the warhead had a 13-foot missile in it, though CNN has not been able to confirm a connection between the two.

That missile is but one of many troops have found at the base. Some underground bunkers the size of basketball courts were discovered piled high with cans of munitions, crates of missiles, and number of 1,000-pound bombs.

"It appears as though the airbase was evacuated hastily," Maj. Rob Gowan, a public affairs officer said. "A lot of indicators seem to say that the Iraqi forces that were here left very quickly."

In a separate incident, a man who said he is the base's former commander stepped forward with additional information on possible chemical weaponry.

The former Iraqi air force colonel came to Kirkuk Friday and told military officials he knew of 120 missiles within about an 18-mile radius of Kirkuk -- 24 of those carrying chemical munitions, according to an army intelligence posting at the airfield's military headquarters.

The man said he had been liberated from an Iraqi prison after Kirkuk fell to coalition forces, military intelligence said."




9 posted on 12/11/2004 9:05:45 AM PST by Tommyjo
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To: Diogenesis
My last post should have read SA-2 GUIDELINE - Not SA-3. If you believe that the vials contained SARIN and the warhead at Kirkuk is a chemical warhead then here is one for you. You can use this to your hearts content as proof of an Iraqi SCUD found by US troops. Please feel free to publish it all over Freepers along with the vials and green band warhead. You do realise the consequence of US troops finding an SS-1 SCUD in Iraq. Don't you? Please bare in mind that this comes from usinfo.state.gov:

Abandoned Iraqi Scud missile mounted on a mobile launcher along the Tigris River on the outskirts of Baghdad, June 4. 1,400 experts have just arrived in Iraq to begin a detailed investigation of Saddam Hussein’s weapons industry. Visiting U.S. forces in the Gulf June 5, President Bush pledged to "reveal the truth" about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.

10 posted on 12/11/2004 9:46:52 AM PST by Tommyjo
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To: Tommyjo
You post is disingenuous about what I posted.

Furthermore, your link says the warhead was not tested as of the time of the post
despite your false claim otherwise.

So, beyond your insults, exactly what is your reason
for your attitude with no facts to support yourself?

11 posted on 12/11/2004 10:06:18 AM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Tommyjo
Please tell us where you get your special knowledge,
because the link you posted supports EXACTLY what I wrote and not what you wrote.

Your ad hominems and false statements don't do you well, BTW.
So, what picture of anything are you exactly talking about?

13 posted on 12/11/2004 10:15:32 AM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Diogenesis
A second set of preliminary chemical tests conducted Saturday on a warhead discovered at an occupied northern Iraqi airbase in Kirkuk found no trace of chemical weaponry, contradicting earlier tests which found trace amounts of a nerve agent.

It is an example of having inbedded journalists with the troops. The info is reported immediately as fact. The meters used are basic and gave false readings on the warhead. They have given false reading on many cache findings including mortar shells. Further detailed analysis of the green banded warhead found it to be a standard soviet supplied warhead filled with high explosives.

14 posted on 12/11/2004 10:22:16 AM PST by Tommyjo
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To: Tommyjo

</i> It says final testing is pending. Got that?
You lied about what I posted, and then had my post deleted.


15 posted on 12/11/2004 10:28:18 AM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Diogenesis

Regarding #6, very large graphics bogged down loading of thread, even with high-speed connection.


16 posted on 12/11/2004 10:28:53 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Diogenesis

I serve. I'm just trying to stop you and others posting innacurate and misleading information. Remember the image of the SA-2 GUIDELINE that you posted back in 2003? The one caught on video moving through the outskirts of Baghdad. You fell immediately into the trap of "Calling Hans Blix". The missile was in fact perfectly legal for Iraq to own and operate.

My posting of the missile image from the US State Gov site is an example of misleading information. Can you identify the missile in the image that I have posted? You do realise the consequences of this type being discovered by US forces in Iraq?


17 posted on 12/11/2004 10:30:55 AM PST by Tommyjo
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To: Diogenesis

I beg your pardon. I have had no post deleted!

But you are still posting the info as fact. It was not a chemical warhead. It was a standard Soviet warhead for an air-to-surface missile. Perfectly legal for Iraq to own and operate. The meters used, as in numerous cases, was bogus. The meters are not perfect and do give false readings. In those cases they were false yet you still post these images time and time again.


18 posted on 12/11/2004 10:36:41 AM PST by Tommyjo
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To: crushelits

leftist lunies shooting thier last, stale bullets.


19 posted on 12/11/2004 10:38:42 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (if a man lives long enough, he gets to see the same thing over and over.)
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To: Diogenesis; All

And for the record, no one hit abuse on #6. It was removed at my own initiative, for the reason stated in #16.


20 posted on 12/11/2004 10:42:45 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Diogenesis

To put you out of your misery. The missile image reporting to be a SCUD is in fact a FROG. The FROG was perfectly legal for Iraq to own and operate just like all the high explosive air-to-surface missile warheads found at Kirkuk airbase. The SCUD (SS-1) was illegal for Iraq to own or operate.

It is a howling example of a piece of very innacurate information. In similar fashion in posting images of nerve agent testing kits and conventional high-explosive warheads you are falling into the trap of misleading individuals.

If you have no military background and cannot identify pieces of military equipment then all you are doing is misleading people. You have posted similar in the past with images of multiple barrelled rocket launchers and SAMs. By all means post CENTCOM confirmed findings and images of chemical weapons, but don't mislead.


21 posted on 12/11/2004 11:05:37 AM PST by Tommyjo
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To: Tommyjo
Thank you for admitting the inaccurate picture was YOURS.

If 1 in several thousand pictures which I've posted was labeled wrong, please show it.
Nobody is perfect, except perhaps you.

Furthermore, your apology is in order because my post said
'chemicals and weapons found in fallujah' and not 'chemical weapons in fallujah' like you
falsely claimed. You are also wrong because all 'tests kits' have chemicals in them.
And, most importantly, you have ignored exactly why would the terrorists have or need WMD-test kits, anyway?

22 posted on 12/11/2004 12:23:21 PM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Diogenesis
Iraq is littered with chemical weapons testing kits. Iraq and its neighbours owned and used chemical weapons on each other. Iraq knows the terrible effects of the use of battlefield chemical weapons. Therefore it tried to equip its troops with the equipment to be able to keep its troops operating in a chemical environment. Remember Iraq/Iran war? Iraq armed forces was equipped with NBC equipment. Thousands of atropine kits, NBC suits and testing kits have been found. Iraq in the run up to the conflict bought on the open market large stocks of atropine and testing kits. Therefore a city the size of Fallujah is going to have a fair number of kits in existence. Many of the insurgents are ex-regime loyalist and therfore served and trained in the Iraqi armed forces therefore they may have had them in their possession. If you searched my house you would find all manner of NBC equipment. Testing kits the lot. Why? Because I serve in the military. My country (UK) has no chemical weapons, but it still trains its armed forces to fight in a chemical environment.

Chemical detection kits don't have SARIN, SOMAN in them! You posted the image. The caption in the image is totally misleading as though the vials containined SARIN. Do you honestly believe that SARIN or any other nerve agents would be carried in flimsy vials made from either glass or plastic? These were nothing but testing kits and/or atropine kits. The story broke via a journalist. The US military tested the kits found and no trace of chemical weapons were found. The journalist/newspaper withdrew the story yet you are still posting images with old news captions that the vials possibly contained SARIN.

Long after those finds have been found to have been erroneous or bogus you still publish images of them. You have done this in several posts. You ran with the SA-2 GUIDELINE images resulting in many Freepers patting you on the back with 'Good find' and 'Here's one that Hans Blix missed' posts. In similar fashion you are still running with the images of the green-banded warhead found at Kirkuk airbase. This is even after the meter readings were found to be erroneous and further investigations revealed that the warhead contained nothing but high-explosive filling. Yet you still continue to post this image of the warhead. You do realise that the green-band is US standard, but is not universal. It doesn't apply to Soviet warheads. Therefore you are posting bogus information and this is only re-enforced when the US military found the warhead to be a conventional air-surface warhead.

Do you not think it would have been major breaking news? A literal smoking gun that here was an Iraqi airbase where tactical fighter-bomber aircraft were found and that air-to-surface missiles were found fitted with chemical warheads? This would have been the smoking gun evidence and shouted to the world from the top of the White House. So why are you still posting erroneous images of air-to-surface missile warheads when this has been pointed out to you in the past?

You were also posting images on this thread of mortar shell and grenades. No mortar shells have been found in Iraq fitted with chemical warheads. The same as the Kirkuk warhead the initial testing using basic detection meters was erroneous. It went to press - breaking news - people bumping their gums and jumping up and down. The mortar shells were tested and found to contain no chemical munitions. Yet you posted an image on this thread of mortar shells primed by the Coalition with detonation cord ready for destruction. Why do you think that they would be destroying mortar shells fitted with chemical warheads in that fashion? If they contained chemical munitions they would be taken away and destroyed in a secure environment - not simply blown up with the possibility of chemicals being dispersed into the atmosphere or local ground contamination.

To sum up. Here are examples of your misleading and innacurate posts. With the Kirkuk warhead (green band) you are still posting it even though it was found to contain conventional high-explosives.

IRAQI MISSILES SEEN IN BAGHDAD -- Iraqi war crime BREAKING: WAR CRIME ALERT

CALLING HANS BLIX - IRAQI MISSILES SEEN IN BAGHDAD -

Image actually showed SA-2 GUIDELINE SAM - You do realise that it was legal for Iraq to own and operate. What was all the jumping up and down about 'War Crimes and Calling Hans Blix"?

Iraqi missiles given to, and now located in, Syria:

Picture of multi-barrelled rocket launcher. Again perfectly legal for Iraq to own and operate.

French missiles FIRST given to Iraq to be USED Against US and Coalition Heroes French missiles found by the Poles, and to protect France, blown up. Froggies said they did not say "2003". LOL. Decide for yourself.

Again totally misleading post of images. Why did you not post the images of the tags snipped off from the missile bodies themselves? Both the US and Polish military have discovered ROLAND SAMs in Iraq. All of them were from batches supplied to Iraq during the Iran/Iraq war. The KND symbol was from the Iraqi Al Kindi weapons refurbishment facility showing either the refurbishment date or the missile shelf-life.

Link to your posting 1

Link to you posting 2

Link to your posting 3

Link to your posting 4

Chemical warhead found at an Iraqi air base, marked with a green band, the symbol for chemical weaponry. Trace amounts of a nerve agent were found at two spots along the ~meter-long warhead. These amounts are consistent with leakage from the chemically armed weapon. A 13-foot missile was found next to it.

You posted the above again on this thread. In bold was the greed band snippet. Even though you have been informed time and time again you still post the same image with the snippet in bold. Has is not sunk in that the green-band is not universal and does not apply to Soviet/Russian munitions? Since you originally posted the image the US military have tested the warhead and found it contained conventional high-explosives. Do you not find it strange that this would have been the smoking gun to convict the Iraqi regime. Chemical munitions ready for use found at an airbase where dispersed tactical-bombers were also found? This would be the same as if a cache of 155mm chemical shells were found nearby to a Republican Guard artillery unit. Proof positive that the regime still had useable/operational chemical munitions ready for immediate use. Yet you still post this image with the misleading caption. This warhead picture that you post is as misleading and innacurate as all the others that I have highlighted.

Post confirmed CENTCOM findings - not old breaking news stories that turned out to have been erroneous! If you can't see this then you are a lost cause. My posting of the US gov site with the wrongly captioned FROG as a SCUD is an example of the misleading images and captions that you have posted. If there had really been a chemical warhead found at Kirkuk then it would have been smoking gun / Saddam busted news as if a SCUD missile had really been photographed on the banks of the Tigris.

23 posted on 12/12/2004 4:28:56 AM PST by Tommyjo
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To: Diogenesis
The famous example. As bad as your 'green-band' post

BREAKING: WAR CRIME ALERT

CALLING HANS BLIX - IRAQI MISSILES SEEN IN BAGHDAD

Link

24 posted on 12/12/2004 4:42:33 AM PST by Tommyjo
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To: Tommyjo
Tommyjo:
Thank you for the detailed information update.
Having reviewed your detailed post and comments:
First, you cite 4 posts where you claim I reposted an error in a caption
which was originally from captions made publicly by AP and CNN.
That may be true, but also note that I originally gave credit
from where the caption and figures came.
At least one the pictures still has CNN (etc) on it indicating the origin.
In retrospect, I should have not trusted CNN, etc., of course.

Second, you have compiled a list of four posts containing my purported error.
However, it is noted that in none of the 4 threads that you cite
did you, Tommyjo, do a single post attempting to correct the matter.

Third, given your careful erudite post and long-term FReeper status,
there is reason to trust you more than CNN or any other member of the mainstream media.
Looking forward, if another of a photos' captions is wrong, you might speak up at the time and
actually contribute to the thread. You might also consider approaching CNN, AP, etc.
who made the original putative error that was, as you claim, re-reported here.

Fourth, if these are errors (first made by CNN, AP, etc who were cited in each post)
then they have been (very rare) errors on the side of America, rather then what is
usually seen on, and heard by, the MSM. I hope you have been and remain as aggressive
against those posts which hurt America or our President.

Finally, given your superior recognition abilities and your connections to CENTCOM,
why don't you have the DOD release even more pictures and videos of our guys and women doing
great deeds. As important, why don't you volunteer to take over at least some of the "Gotta See This" posts,
and try to publish a few of these laborious posts yourself, to help improve the world
correctly seeing America's good deeds.

25 posted on 12/13/2004 5:20:26 AM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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