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Bush Wins, Again (LA Slimes editorial)
LA Times ^ | December 13, 2004

Posted on 12/13/2004 2:01:47 AM PST by RWR8189

And you thought you were done with the 2004 election. Today the electoral college formally meets to reelect George W. Bush as president. Barring any last-minute surprises, the vote should be 286 for Bush, 252 for John Kerry.

This ratification will elicit yawns instead of the outrage it did in 2000, when the electoral college went for the loser of the popular vote. But don't think 2000 was such an anomaly. The country barely dodged a bullet this time around. Had 59,388 Ohioans switched from Bush to Kerry, 2004 would have repeated the acidic result of the electoral college winner — the next president — being the popular-vote loser. This time the travesty would have been even greater, as Kerry would have been sworn in despite receiving 3.3 million fewer votes than Bush, who received 543,895 votes fewer than Gore in 2000.

We have often been highly critical of the Bush administration, but because of his decisive win in the popular vote, we surely are glad that he is the certified Ohio winner. Even die-hard supporters of Kerry should thank their unlucky stars that he lost Ohio, to spare the country such an undemocratic outcome.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: algoreisnotmyprez; bushvictory; bushwins; bushwinsagain; dummies; ec; electoralcollege; ev; kerrydefeat; traitorslose
DUmmies can't believe that the Slimes is not frothing at the mouth over the election that we "stole"

I hope you're all aware that the LA Times is now officially part of the VRWC.

1 posted on 12/13/2004 2:01:47 AM PST by RWR8189
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To: RWR8189

They complain and complain and complain. After today - good riddance to the PESTS til 2006.


2 posted on 12/13/2004 2:05:07 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: RWR8189

"Had 59,388 Ohioans switched from Bush to Kerry..."

Just as Elian Gonzalez made the crucial difference in 2000, Lady Antonia Frazier won it for Bush in 2004!


3 posted on 12/13/2004 2:09:28 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: agere_contra

The gripe about the Electoral College is old hat. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.


4 posted on 12/13/2004 2:11:09 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: RWR8189
We have often been highly critical of the Bush administration, but because of his decisive win in the popular vote, we surely are glad that he is the certified Ohio winner. Even die-hard supporters of Kerry should thank their unlucky stars that he lost Ohio, to spare the country such an undemocratic outcome.

I can't believe this is from the LA Slimes. Whatever...I still hate the LA Times!!
5 posted on 12/13/2004 2:16:24 AM PST by West Coast Conservative
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To: agere_contra
Don't forget Ken Blackwell!

It was no coincidence that in both FLA and OH-during both crucial presidential elections-we had capable public servants, ready to fulfill their duties in the face of extreme political pressure on the part of the left wing, media-supported, Dem. goon squad.

6 posted on 12/13/2004 2:19:49 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham (Why did it take me so long to come up with a new tag-line, huh?! What's up with that?)
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To: RWR8189
Bush Wins, Again

Someone please call Jesse Jack-asson.

7 posted on 12/13/2004 2:24:53 AM PST by beyond the sea (I know beyond a doubt ...... my heart will lead me there)
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To: goldstategop
They're just play acting sanctimonious while planning their 2008 "Let the dead decide the E.C. vote" strategy.

They finally, 4 years later, figured out that their "Let the dead decide the popular vote" strategy wasn't working.

8 posted on 12/13/2004 2:29:00 AM PST by lizma
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To: agere_contra
Lady Antonia Frazier won it for Bush in 2004!

She of "if you back Kerry, you will be voting against a savage militaristic foreign policy" fame.

You may have a point.

9 posted on 12/13/2004 2:32:14 AM PST by beyond the sea (I know beyond a doubt ...... my heart will lead me there)
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To: lizma; Darksheare; Darkchylde; Dawn; dead; zombie; Dead Corpse; King Prout; Harmless Teddy Bear
When there's no room left in hell, the dead will walk the earth...and start campaigning for the Democratic Party.
10 posted on 12/13/2004 2:32:52 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham (Why did it take me so long to come up with a new tag-line, huh?! What's up with that?)
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To: RWR8189
"Loser" of the popular vote? Keep beating that broken drum. 0.52% more of the popular vote is NO indication that Al Gore actually won the popular vote. We would need a FULL recount of every county to verify that.

Move on, looosers.

11 posted on 12/13/2004 2:35:04 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: RWR8189
Had 59,388 Ohioans switched from Bush to Kerry, 2004 would have repeated the acidic result of the electoral college winner — the next president — being the popular-vote loser.

Bush's margin of victory in Ohio was LARGER than Kerry's margin of victory in Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan and New Hampshire. If 59,388 (or whatever) voters in each of those states switched to Bush, he would have won in a landslide.

12 posted on 12/13/2004 2:47:14 AM PST by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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To: RWR8189
Had 59,388 Ohioans switched from Bush to Kerry, 2004 would have repeated the acidic result of the electoral college winner

If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

13 posted on 12/13/2004 2:49:17 AM PST by johniegrad
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To: RWR8189
Had 59,388 Ohioans switched from Bush to Kerry

and, let's see, if 10,000 voters had switched to BUSH in about four other states, the win margin would have been even GREATER..GEEZ!

14 posted on 12/13/2004 2:51:30 AM PST by wildwood
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To: weegee
I tend to suspect that Gore possibly would not come out ahead in the nationwide popular vote count in 2000. John Fund alludes to about 50,000 lost votes in Florida for Bush in his "Stealing Elections" book. Democrats believe in "counting every vote" unless of course it's Republican.

This book is an eye opener - John Fund - Stealing Elections.

15 posted on 12/13/2004 2:54:40 AM PST by Credo
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To: RWR8189
I hope you're all aware that the LA Times is now officially part of the VRWC.

Oh man, who let them in? Do we have no standards anymore?

I was told that the VRWC was an exclusive club. How can we maintain that ranking if we allow some cheap third class broadsheet to join?

16 posted on 12/13/2004 2:58:42 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum europe vincendarum (Happy Hanukkah!))
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To: Credo
Dem. elections supervisor:

COUNT ALL THE VOTES! COUNT ALL THE VOTES! Except if they're Republican votes...DON'T COUNT THOSE VOTES!!!

17 posted on 12/13/2004 3:01:12 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham (Why did it take me so long to come up with a new tag-line, huh?! What's up with that?)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear; hilaryrhymeswithrich

http://citypaper.net/articles/2004-04-15/cover13.shtml


18 posted on 12/13/2004 3:03:40 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham (Why did it take me so long to come up with a new tag-line, huh?! What's up with that?)
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To: RWR8189
It's amazing that journalists at a major metropolitan newspaper aren't educated enough to know we're a republic, not a democracy. Management should send all these know-nothing writers back to a fourth-grade refresher course.

I've always considered Slimes-type rags to be anti-American, but since they're all promoting electoral college elimination, I now consider them subversive.

Leni

19 posted on 12/13/2004 3:10:21 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: MinuteGal

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "new" leftist/bespectacled radical Robert Scheer still writing a column for the L.A. Times?


20 posted on 12/13/2004 3:13:51 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham (Why did it take me so long to come up with a new tag-line, huh?! What's up with that?)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
I don't know about Scheer.....I have enough trouble trying to keep up with the leftist journalists and editorialists at the St. Petersburg Slimes (Pravda West) here in Florida, LOL.

Leni

21 posted on 12/13/2004 3:17:10 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: MinuteGal
Were they part of the media consortium that tried to re-count the ballots cast in the Florida panhandle...AFTER BUSH HAD WON THE STATE IN A WALK?

Oy.

Where did these people get their journalism degrees, from a Cracker Jack box?

22 posted on 12/13/2004 3:20:30 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham (Why did it take me so long to come up with a new tag-line, huh?! What's up with that?)
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To: RWR8189

If only 2,682,160 Kerry voters switched to Bush in 18 states plus the District of Columbia, Bush would have won the electoral college 538-0. This is only about 2.2% of the votes, and fewer votes than Bush received in Ohio alone.

If 50,000 or fewer Kerry voters switched to Bush in each of wisconsin, delaware, hawaii, vermont, maine, oregon and rhode island, Bush would have won 331-207.

If, in addition to that, if 83,000 or fewer Kerry voters switched to Bush in each of Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, and Michigan, Bush would have won 376-162.

This would have required a mere 455,449 votes.


23 posted on 12/13/2004 3:26:37 AM PST by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment

Exactly. Which is why in all the hubba bubba about OH, you will never hear Jesse Jackson, the DU tinfoil moonbats and their amen corner in the legacy media mention how much larger Bush's margin of victory could have been. And all the attention now lavished on OH would have been a footnote in the history books.


24 posted on 12/13/2004 3:35:49 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

Living in the FL panhandle, there is never any need to recount votes if you are talking about a Republican. Tallahassee is the only bastion of demorats (FSU), the rest of us are military or just plain conservative. The panhandle from Pensacola to Jacksonville is 2/3 Republican.


25 posted on 12/13/2004 3:58:14 AM PST by stm
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To: goldstategop

Speaking of meaninless footnotes, Bush won a higher percentage of the popular vote than any Democrat since 1840, with the exception of LBJ, FDR, and Samuel Tilden. That's right. Samuel Tilden in 1876 got a higher percentage of the popular vote than Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, John F Kennedy, Harry Truman, Woodrow Wilson, Grover Cleveland, James Buchanan, or Franklin Pierce.

The burning question is, of course, did Samuel Tilden have a mandate?


26 posted on 12/13/2004 4:03:25 AM PST by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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To: goldstategop
"They complain and complain and complain. After today - good riddance to the PESTS til 2006."

When they will lose even more seats. Andy Veal Memorial clinics will be opening from coast to coast. A real "ground floor" opportunity if ever there was one. Invest now!
27 posted on 12/13/2004 4:10:02 AM PST by stm
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To: RWR8189
Had 59,388 Ohioans switched from Bush to Kerry...

Had 5,000 voters in NH kept voting for Bush, we don't even need Ohio...

28 posted on 12/13/2004 4:16:26 AM PST by paudio (Four More Years..... Let's Use Them Wisely...)
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To: stm
Then perhaps it was the central corridor of the state.

I'm not too familiar with the geography of the area, to be honest.

I just remember reading several stories about how the radical libs weren't able to reconcile themselves to the fact that Bush generated a lot of support among registered Democrats in the state of Florida.

29 posted on 12/13/2004 4:21:43 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham (Why did it take me so long to come up with a new tag-line, huh?! What's up with that?)
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To: RWR8189

Once again, someone should remind reporters to read the WHOLE Constitution, not just one line in the First Amendment. This is not a democracy and the President is not elected by a direct popular vote. Does Ross Perot own the LAT?


30 posted on 12/13/2004 4:21:48 AM PST by aardvark1 (Something was seared in my memory but I forgot what it was.)
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To: RWR8189
This time the travesty would have been even greater, as Kerry would have been sworn in despite receiving 3.3 million fewer votes than Bush, who received 543,895 votes fewer than Gore in 2000.

There would have been no travesty - President Bush would NOT have put the country through what algore did.

He would have returned to Crawford quietly, not whined about it.

Nor would he call for abolishing the EC.

31 posted on 12/13/2004 4:33:01 AM PST by mombonn ( ˇViva Bush/Cheney! Dukakis and Kerry are the matching bookends of the Bush era.)
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To: RWR8189

Maybe the DUmmies don't realize there are more decent American citizens than they thought.


32 posted on 12/13/2004 4:34:15 AM PST by freekitty
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment
Had 59,388 Ohioans switched from Bush to Kerry, 2004 would have repeated the acidic result of the electoral college winner — the next president — being the popular-vote loser.

Yeah. And if my grandmother had balls she'd be my grandfather.

33 posted on 12/13/2004 4:34:21 AM PST by jslade (People who are easily offended......OFFEND ME!)
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To: RWR8189
"Had 59,388 Ohioans switched from Bush to Kerry"

Yeah, and had I won the lottery, I would not be working today but instead on a monthlong trip to the Alps. And had I been born rich, I would not be stressing out over pennies. And I had I kicked my neighbors butt instead og him kicking mine when I was eight, I would not have had to contend with his bullying till I was eleven. And finally, had I worn boxers yesterday, I would not have skidmarks on the inside of my good pants.

Just felt I should share some of "woulda coulda shoulda" moments from my life ;-)

34 posted on 12/13/2004 4:36:40 AM PST by bigcheese ("They pray alot, but they still prey...")
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To: RWR8189

The LA Times whining. What else is new?


35 posted on 12/13/2004 4:36:41 AM PST by mhking (Vote for Ramblings' Journal for best conservative blog @ http://2004weblogawards.com/)
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To: stm

What does FSU have to do with Tallahassee being the "last bastion" in the panhandle. Yes, University professors, are overwhelmingly liberal, but it is the state workers there that make up the bulk of the demorat voting block. You must be a gayter.


36 posted on 12/13/2004 5:02:00 AM PST by incubus
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To: RWR8189

Also, we must all work diligently in the coming months to convince “progressives” that the Democratic Party has let them down. They must abandon the party. Their only recourse is to join and work for the Green Party moving forward. I may even register as a Green Party member to swell their voter registration rolls. Divide and conquer.

Begin with putting all known “progressives” in your sphere of influence on the Green Party mail list from their website. Great fun. Start inundating them with information now.


37 posted on 12/13/2004 5:36:50 AM PST by schaketo (http://www.gp.org/ Convince progressives to join the Green Party – Divide and conquer)
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To: RWR8189

LA Times is trying to save the Party from the lunatics demanding recounts.

If Kerry had won the electoral college and not the popular vote, they would suddenly be praising the E.C. after four years being spent undermining it.


38 posted on 12/13/2004 5:37:55 AM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas!


39 posted on 12/13/2004 5:54:24 AM PST by steve8714 (Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah to all freepers.)
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To: incubus
"What does FSU have to do with Tallahassee being the "last bastion" in the panhandle. Yes, University professors, are overwhelmingly liberal, but it is the state workers there that make up the bulk of the demorat voting block. You must be a gayter."

Nope, my daughter goes to FSU.
40 posted on 12/13/2004 3:49:08 PM PST by stm
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To: RWR8189
Missing from the LASlimes article was any call to abolish the US Senate. Two Senators for Kalifornia and two Senators for Alaska. Sounds fair to me.

If the Senate ever amends its own rules to eliminate filibusters, the Dems will sing that tune loud and long. As it is, their minority has the Senate by the throat.

41 posted on 12/13/2004 9:24:18 PM PST by William Tell
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To: RWR8189
subtract 1 from Kerrys total....One of the RAT Electors from Minnesota voted for Edwards for President.

Edwards gets a vote from Minnesota Elector

42 posted on 12/13/2004 9:33:57 PM PST by HP8753 (Can I be a member of the pajamahuddin if I sleep in the nude??)
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