Skip to comments.Science Shows That Homosexuals Are Not "Born That Way."
Posted on 12/13/2004 9:51:59 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
1.)Dr. Dean Hamer who failed to find a "gay gene":
"Homosexuality is not purely genetic. Environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay. I don't think that we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."
2.) Dr. Dean Hamer was asked by Scientific American if homosexuality was rooted solely in biology. He replied:
"Absolutely not. From twin studies we already know that half or more of the variability in sexual orientation is not inherited. Our studies try to pinpoint the genetic factors, not negate the psychosocial factors."
("New Evidence of a "Gay Gene," by Anastasia Toufexis, Time, November 13, 1995, Vol. 146. Issue 20, p.95)
3.) British researchers generated comparable results in an identical-twin study. Their conclusion? The suprisingly low odds that both twins were homosexual.
The study by them: "confirmed that genetic factors are insufficient explanation for the development of sexual orientation."
(King, M and McDonald, E. Homosexuals Who Are Twins: A Study of 46 Probands. British Journal of Psychiatry. 160: 407-409 (1992).
4a.)Homosexual researcher Simon Levay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of heterosexuals and homosexuals:
"I didn't show that gay men are born that way the msot common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."
4b.)Dr. Simon Levay: The most widely held opinion [on causation of homosexuality] is that multiple factors play a role.
Levay, Simon (1996). Queer Science, MIT Press.
5.) Dr. J. Satinover:
"Research studies on homosexuality by Dr's Dean Hamer, Michael Bailey, Richard Dillard, Simon Levay. Laura Allen and Roger Gorski have failed to show proof of a gay gene. There is no scientific evidence that shows that homosexuality is genetic. The media has sensationalized and perpetuated the myth of a homosexual gene."
Satinover, J. M.D. (1996) Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth. Grand Rapids. Baker Books
6.) Another of Dr. Jeffery Satinover's conclusions in "The Gay Gene":
"There is no evidence that shows that homosexuality is genetic--and none of the resaerch itself claims there is. Only the press and certain researchers do when speaking in sound bites to the public."
(Jeffery Satinover, M.D. The Journal of Human Sexuality, 1996, p.8)
7.) The American Psychological Association:
"Many scientists share the view that sexual orientation is shaped for many people at an early age through complex interactions of biology, psychological and social factors."
(The American Psychological Association's pamphlet "Answers to Your Questions About Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality."
8.) The American Psychiatric Association (2000):
"no replicated scientific studies showing any specific biological etiology for homosexuality."
9.) Sociologist Steven Goldberg:
"I know of no one in the field who argues that homosexuality can be explained without reference to environmental factors."
(Goldberg, Steven (1994) When Wish Replaces Thought: Why So Much of What You Believe is False. Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books.
10a.) Science, 1994:
"Time and time again, scientists have claimed that particular genes or chromosomal regions are associated with behavioral traits only to withdraw their findings when they were not replicated. "Unfortunately," says Yale's [Dr. Joel] Gelernter: "It's hard to come up with many findings linking specific genes to complex human behaviors that have been replicated...all were announced with great fanfare, all were greeted unskeptically in the popular press; all are now in disrepute."
(Mann, C. "Genes and Behavior." Science 264: 1687 (1994), pp. 1686-1689.)
10b.) "The interactions of genes and environment is much more complex than the simple "violence genes" and "intelligence genes" touted in the popular press."
Mann, C. op. cit. pp. 1686-1689
11.) Two genetics researchers, one at Harvard, commented in Technology Review, July 1993 p. 60 concerning twin study's.
"While the authors interpreted their findings as evidence for a genetic basis for homosexuality, we think that the data, in fact, provide strong evidence for the influence of the environment."
(Billings, P. and Beckwith, J. Technology Review, July 1993. p.60)
12.) P. Scott Richards:
"Some environmental and psychological factors that may play a causal role in the development of homosexuality include: (1) cross-gender effiminate behavior in childhood. (2) gender-identity deficits (3) hostile, dteached or absent fathers (which leads to "defensive detachment" from the father and other males) and (4) overly close, controlling or dominating mothers.
(P. Scott Richards, "The Treatment of Homosexuality: Some Historical, Contemporary and Personal Perspectives," AMCAP Journal. Vol 19, No. 1, 1993, pg. 36)
13.) Lesbian biologist Dr. Anne Fausto-Sterling of Brown University, responding to the "born that way" argument:
"It provides a legal argument that is, at the moment actually having some sawy in court. For me, it's a very shaky palce. It's bad science and bad politics. It seems to me that the way we consider homosexuality in our culture is an ethical and a moral one."
14.) Camille Paglia, lesbiam activist: "Homosexuality is 'not normal'. On the contrary it is a challenge to the norm. Nature exists whether academics like it or not. And in nature, procreation is the single, relentless rule. That is the norm. Our sexual bodies were designed for reproduction. No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous. Homosexuality is an adaptation, not an inborn trait."
Camille Paglia: " Is the gay identity so fragile that it cannot bear the thought that some people may not wish to be gay? Sexuality is highly fluid, and reversals are theoretically possible. However, habit is highly refractory, and once the sensory pathways have been blazed -- a phenmenon obvious in the struggle with obesity, smoking, alcoholism or drug addiction...helping to learn how to function heterosexually, if they wish, is a perferctly worthy aim."
Camille Paglia: " We should be honest enough to consider whether homosexuality may not indeed be a pausing at the prepubscent stage where children anxiously band together bt gender...current gay cant insists that homosexuality is 'not a choice'; that no one would choose to be gay in a homophobic society. But there is an element of choice in all behavior, sexual or otherwise. It takes an effort to deal with the opposite sex; it is safer to deal with your own kind. The issue is one of challenge versus comfort."
Boys victimized by older men are far more likely to be homosexual as adults, and the cycle often repeats itself. More environmental factors.
15.) Noted child sex-abuse expert David Finkelhor found that "boys victimized by older men were over four times more likley to be currently engaged in homosexual activity than were non-victims. The finding applied to nearly half the boys who had such an experience. Further, the adolescents themselves often linked their homosexuality to their victimization experiences."
(Bill Watkins & Aaron Bentovim, "The Sexual Bause of Male Adolescents: A Review of Current Research, " Journal of Child Psychiatry 33, (1992); in Byren Finkelman, Sexual Abuse(New York: Garland Publishing, 1995), p. 316
16.) The Archives of Sexual Behavior:
"One of the most salient findings of this study is that 46% of homosexual men and 22% of homosexual women reported having been molested by a person of the same gender."
(Marie, E. Tomeo "Comparative Data of Childhood and Adolescent Molestation in Heterosexual and Homosexual Persons." Archives of Sexual Behavior 30 (2001): 539)
17.) A study of 279 homosexual and bisexual men with Aids and control patients reported:
"More than half of both case and control patients reported a sexual act with a male by age 16 years, approximately 20% by age 10 years."
(Harry W. Haverkos, "The Initiation of Male Homosexual Behavior," The Journal of the American Medical Association 262 (July 28, 1989): 501)
18.) A stduy of 229 convicted child molesters found that:
"86% of offenders against males described themselves as homosexual or bisexual."
(W.D. Erickson, Behavior Patterns of Child Molesters, Archives of Sexual Behavior 17 (1988): 83)
19.) A National Institue of Justice report states that:
"the odds that a childhood sexual abuse victim will be arrested as an adult for any sex crime is 4.7 times higher than for people...who experienced no victimization as children."
(Cathy Spatz Widom, "Victims of Childhood Sexual Abuse - Later Criminal Consequences, Victims of Childhood Sexual Abuse Series: NIJ Research in Brief (March 1995): 6)
20.) A Child Abuse and Neglect study found that 59% of male child sex offenders had beenvictims of contact sexual abuse as a child.
(Michelle Elliott, "Child Sexual Abuse Prevention: What offenders Tell Us" Child Abuse and Neglect 19, (1995): 582)
The only "Gay Gene" that is located are the ones they are wearing...
This news won't be pleasing the queer community in their neverending quest to be legally acknowledged as "special" with special rights.
Science reveals the facts that the mainstream media wont.
These scientific studies were compiled from multiple places. I thought that I would bring them all together. Some of the sites where alot of this was found.
Homosexual desire is no different that Hetrosexual desire in this respect, everyone has his own set of likes and dislikes. Some guys go all nuts for tall blondes, some guys go all ga-ga for olive skinned, dark haired lovelies and some (like myself) cannot resist a light skinned black woman. Homosexuals go all nuts for another butt pirate. You don't HAVE to go that way.
As much as I am attracted to black women, I was married for a long time (over 15 years) to a latina.
I do believe there are some people who are born with a genetic abnormality that makes them lust for sex with people of the same sex. I do believe that. This has nothing to do with love.
Wonder if there are any studies concerning identical twins raised apart?
Expect this guy to now be ripped to shreds as a racist, bigoted, homophobe. Possibly the ACLU can get in on the act and sue him into bankruptcy for "hate speech" seeing that he did say homosexuality is NOT what the homosexual lobby says it is.
Homosexual Agenda Ping.
I was just going to turn off my computer and have a little dose of "real life"! And along comes this great summary.
Read it, save it, copy it, pass it along.
Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.
An analysis of another identical-twin study that helps to smash the "born gay" theory(A year 2000 identical-twin study. A very large study, very precise. 14,000+ identical twins in this most recent study)
Studies continue, but they won't amount to much, I think. The "nuture" factors are simply too overwhelming. There is really no SCIENTIFIC way to study human behavior, especially when it's retroactive. SCIENTIFIC involves blind studies, random sampling, pre-post tests, LONG term studies involves millions and millions and millions of people. Given that, people forget, exaggerate, say what the "scientist" wants to hear, lie, learn what to say from therapists and plain just don't remember.
I think the puzzle will be solved with DNA and genetic studies. It WON'T solve the problem, but at least folks will know how and why things are the way they are.
I feel very sorry for homosexuals, bisexuals and transgenders. How very sad to be born or end up with SUCH a profoundly abnormal view of one's own sexuality.
Mind you, I feel that way in my heart and brain, but when I see the homosexual agenda shoved in our faces, forced down our throats and legislated by asshole activist educators, mayors and judges, I often feel little sympathy.
I'm curious... do you believe the same thing about people who lust for sex with farm animals? If so, are all sexual lusts other than a lust for the opposite sex part of a "genetic abnormality" that people are born with? If not how do you explain the differentiation between what people lust for and their genetics? Where is the cutoff point?
They are recruited, obviously.
Look at the homosexuals in your own life: Are they ugly? Fat? Disabled? Low IQ? Slovenly?
Mothers beware! Homosexuals are targeting the cream-of-the-crop.
They look good and are for the most part healthy because homosexuals are not recruiting those whom they do not find attractive.
"Boys victimized by older men are far more likely to be homosexual as adults, and the cycle often repeats itself. More environmental factors."
1) Makes one wonder about the childhood of Michael Jackson.
2) Makes one wonder how long the chain of abusing Priests is.
The corolary is that while there may not be one gay gene, about half of the variability is inherited.
Of course there's not a "gay gene."
Such a thing could hardly evolve now, could it?
How do you pass something along if you have no progeny?
The most recent genetics-based identical twin study re-confims for about the fourth time now, what other identical twins studies have shown, that homosexuality is not "genetic".
Identical twins have identical genes. If homosexuality was "genetic", then if one twin was homosexual, the other would be too. But this is not the case, far from it in fact.
Homosexuality has been proven by this study and multiple others to not be "genetic."
It may not be a genetic thing yet still be at least partially biological in origin.
There's been some studies that show that various hormone levels in the mother may have something to do with it. I think the most recent one was something with thyroid hormones, can't quite remember.
Good work. It seems the genetic predisposition of homsexuality is comparable to the predisposition to addictive behavioral tendencies:
For instance, certain ethnic groups appear to have a greater predisposition to alcoholism. This doesn't mean that being born Irish makes one an alcoholic, or excuses alcholism. The way many in AA put heredity and alcholism is like this: Dysfunctional upbringing (i.e., the environment) causes dysfuntional emotional states and poor copign skills, which in turn causes tendencies towards addictive behaviors. If a person has a genetic predisposition towards alcoholism and drinks heavily, that addictive tendency will be expressed through alcholism.
I've heard friends and associates discuss their upbringing, heard mandatory "sexual identity" discussions in college, and read numerous articles. Of dozens and dozens of people describing how they first realized they were homosexual, ALL involved sexual experiences which I would categorize as abusive and severely damaging if they were heterosexual. (example: A journalist wrote, "I discovered my true secuality through an experience that was at first horrifying, then liberating, which occurred in a public mens room when I was eight years old.")
I believe most homosexuality is a coping mechanism that is a response to severely dysfunctional situations. The normalization of homosexuality probably only lowers the threshold of adopting homosexual tendencies as a response.
Actually, the variability has now been confirmed to be less tha 39%. The percentage is going down.
Read this article at
It shows, along with the other scientific studies, that homosexuality is not "genetic."
Proof of what? Are you trying to induce homosexuality? :^D
In a gay bar, you don't need to worry about chocolate and flowers
Concerning post #24. I forgot to provide a link to the info that I posted there.
Bump for the file
Thanks for the compliment.
Thanks for the compliments.
As well, I don't see why you couldn't use this in a variety of ways. People need to get the facts.
I agree that it most likely has little or nothing to do with genetics, but I also doubt that many of them have much of a choice in it. There are a great many homosexuals who desperately want not to be gay and even go so far as to marry and have families in an effort to be straight. If it were just a choice these men could make then they definately would not be gay.
id say it's mostly genetic. I mean you can find tons of animals that exhibit in same-sex behavior. Were they brought up gay or molested as a child? I mean come on. You think a lot of people want to be gay? I doubt it. It is just the way it is.
Sexuality is highly fluid ...Bada-bing ...
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Hmmm... There might be something to this. Do you have to worry about them talking over the football game or do they pay attention and follow the game just like regular guys?... ;-)
You think people want to be pedophiles? Come on.
You think people want to be rapists? Come on.
You think people want to be animal torturers? Come on.
You think people want to be theives/kleptomaniacs/arsonists/liars/adulterers/embezzelers/herion addicts etcetcetc? Come on.
Keep talking that way Camille and the DNC will take away your membership card.
In general I don't agree with Camille Paglia's liberal politics, but when ever I see her on TV I can't help but like her. Most other feminists are whining shrews. Camille is just the opposite.
Very interesting. Apparently, people do what they want to do - for their own reasons.
"What does a gay guy bring on a second date?
a) Another guy.
"What does a lesbian bring on a second date?"
a) A moving van.
There was an interesting article last week about the possibility that babies may be born gay due to stresses on the fetus effecting brain chemistry prior to birth.
And of course, the homosexual lobby only promotes mandatory gay awareness programs in public schools to promote tolerance. Nothing to do with indoctrination and recruitment, naaah, you have to be born gay, we can't push anyone in that direction. Such BS.
Quite rightly stated.
Actually the very word "homosexual" was coined by a - well, they used to be called "sodomites" and "pederasts", merely words describing their activities - a "sodomite" who wanted a word that would create a sense of special community among fellow sodomy specialists.
It's a word just like "gay".
I use to work for a privately owned company in Palm Springs Ca in the mid 90's the owner bought a Gay Man's Optional Clothing HOtel where he stuck me in oine of the hotel offices..I worked there for 6 months and could not take it any longer, The sexual aggressiveness of these Queer men was unbelievable! they walked up to anybody standing around and asked them to do the wild thing before they even new there name and BAM! they were off...
I was suprised one day they had Asian Days and groups of Japenese men were in Gay Heaven..
Gay Hotels are just little Soddom and Gommorahs...
"... Which brings us to another subject, the furor this past month over a report by psychiatrist Robert Spitzer of Columbia University that, from his rather cursory interviews with 153 men and 47 women, the "reparative therapy" endorsed by conservative Protestant groups can in some cases change sexual orientation from gay to straight. That Spitzer had helped to persuade the American Psychiatric Association to drop the classification of homosexuality as a mental disorder in 1973 makes his current study harder to dismiss.
Nevertheless, screeching gay activists immediately descended on the media to denounce and defame Spitzer as a tool of the far right. This was a good example of the fascist policing of public discourse in this country by nominal liberals who have become as unthinkingly wedded to dogma as any junior member of the Spanish Inquisition. Why should the fluidity of sexual orientation threaten any gay secure in his or her identity?
What gay ideologues, inflated like pink balloons with poststructuralist hot air, can't admit, of course, is that heterosexuality is nature's norm, enforced by powerful hormonal cues at puberty. In the past decade, one shoddy book after another, rapturously applauded by p.c. reviewers, has exaggerated the incidence of homosexuality in the animal world and, without due regard for reproductive adaptations caused by environmental changes, toxins or population pressure, reductively interpreted bonding or hierarchical behavior as gay in the human sense.
Because of the unblushing dishonesty of strident activists and campus "queer theorists," whose general knowledge of science would fit into Marie Antoinette's thimble, we are ironically further from understanding homosexuality than we were in 1970, when popular culture was moving into the seductive gender-bending era typified by the brilliant David Bowie. With the emphasis on external "politics," all respect for psychology has been lost. Did no one notice the grotesquely misogynous dialogue put into gay men's mouths on "Queer as Folk"? That kind of catty aversion to the female body is learned, not inborn, and it can be partly traced to early family relations, before personal memory has even gelled.
My political philosophy as a libertarian says that government has no business intervening in any consensual private behavior. My professional ethic as a thinker and writer, however, says that self-knowledge is our ultimate responsibility. In vicious attacks like the one on Spitzer, gay activists, with all their good intentions, are aligning themselves with the forces of ignorance and repression. Too little reliable work is currently being done in homosexuality because free inquiry cannot be conducted in a politicized atmosphere of harassment and intimidation..."
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