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Science Shows That Homosexuals Are Not "Born That Way."
December 13, 2004

Posted on 12/13/2004 9:51:59 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist

1.)Dr. Dean Hamer who failed to find a "gay gene":

"Homosexuality is not purely genetic. Environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay. I don't think that we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

2.) Dr. Dean Hamer was asked by Scientific American if homosexuality was rooted solely in biology. He replied:

"Absolutely not. From twin studies we already know that half or more of the variability in sexual orientation is not inherited. Our studies try to pinpoint the genetic factors, not negate the psychosocial factors."

("New Evidence of a "Gay Gene," by Anastasia Toufexis, Time, November 13, 1995, Vol. 146. Issue 20, p.95)

3.) British researchers generated comparable results in an identical-twin study. Their conclusion? The suprisingly low odds that both twins were homosexual.

The study by them: "confirmed that genetic factors are insufficient explanation for the development of sexual orientation."

(King, M and McDonald, E. Homosexuals Who Are Twins: A Study of 46 Probands. British Journal of Psychiatry. 160: 407-409 (1992).

4a.)Homosexual researcher Simon Levay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of heterosexuals and homosexuals:

"I didn't show that gay men are born that way the msot common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

4b.)Dr. Simon Levay: The most widely held opinion [on causation of homosexuality] is that multiple factors play a role.

Levay, Simon (1996). Queer Science, MIT Press.

5.) Dr. J. Satinover:

"Research studies on homosexuality by Dr's Dean Hamer, Michael Bailey, Richard Dillard, Simon Levay. Laura Allen and Roger Gorski have failed to show proof of a gay gene. There is no scientific evidence that shows that homosexuality is genetic. The media has sensationalized and perpetuated the myth of a homosexual gene."

Satinover, J. M.D. (1996) Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth. Grand Rapids. Baker Books

6.) Another of Dr. Jeffery Satinover's conclusions in "The Gay Gene":

"There is no evidence that shows that homosexuality is genetic--and none of the resaerch itself claims there is. Only the press and certain researchers do when speaking in sound bites to the public."

(Jeffery Satinover, M.D. The Journal of Human Sexuality, 1996, p.8)

7.) The American Psychological Association:

"Many scientists share the view that sexual orientation is shaped for many people at an early age through complex interactions of biology, psychological and social factors."

(The American Psychological Association's pamphlet "Answers to Your Questions About Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality."

8.) The American Psychiatric Association (2000):

"no replicated scientific studies showing any specific biological etiology for homosexuality."

9.) Sociologist Steven Goldberg:

"I know of no one in the field who argues that homosexuality can be explained without reference to environmental factors."

(Goldberg, Steven (1994) When Wish Replaces Thought: Why So Much of What You Believe is False. Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books.

10a.) Science, 1994:

"Time and time again, scientists have claimed that particular genes or chromosomal regions are associated with behavioral traits only to withdraw their findings when they were not replicated. "Unfortunately," says Yale's [Dr. Joel] Gelernter: "It's hard to come up with many findings linking specific genes to complex human behaviors that have been replicated...all were announced with great fanfare, all were greeted unskeptically in the popular press; all are now in disrepute."

(Mann, C. "Genes and Behavior." Science 264: 1687 (1994), pp. 1686-1689.)

10b.) "The interactions of genes and environment is much more complex than the simple "violence genes" and "intelligence genes" touted in the popular press."

Mann, C. op. cit. pp. 1686-1689

11.) Two genetics researchers, one at Harvard, commented in Technology Review, July 1993 p. 60 concerning twin study's.

"While the authors interpreted their findings as evidence for a genetic basis for homosexuality, we think that the data, in fact, provide strong evidence for the influence of the environment."

(Billings, P. and Beckwith, J. Technology Review, July 1993. p.60)

12.) P. Scott Richards:

"Some environmental and psychological factors that may play a causal role in the development of homosexuality include: (1) cross-gender effiminate behavior in childhood. (2) gender-identity deficits (3) hostile, dteached or absent fathers (which leads to "defensive detachment" from the father and other males) and (4) overly close, controlling or dominating mothers.

(P. Scott Richards, "The Treatment of Homosexuality: Some Historical, Contemporary and Personal Perspectives," AMCAP Journal. Vol 19, No. 1, 1993, pg. 36)

13.) Lesbian biologist Dr. Anne Fausto-Sterling of Brown University, responding to the "born that way" argument:

"It provides a legal argument that is, at the moment actually having some sawy in court. For me, it's a very shaky palce. It's bad science and bad politics. It seems to me that the way we consider homosexuality in our culture is an ethical and a moral one."

14.) Camille Paglia, lesbiam activist: "Homosexuality is 'not normal'. On the contrary it is a challenge to the norm. Nature exists whether academics like it or not. And in nature, procreation is the single, relentless rule. That is the norm. Our sexual bodies were designed for reproduction. No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous. Homosexuality is an adaptation, not an inborn trait."

Camille Paglia: " Is the gay identity so fragile that it cannot bear the thought that some people may not wish to be gay? Sexuality is highly fluid, and reversals are theoretically possible. However, habit is highly refractory, and once the sensory pathways have been blazed -- a phenmenon obvious in the struggle with obesity, smoking, alcoholism or drug addiction...helping to learn how to function heterosexually, if they wish, is a perferctly worthy aim."

Camille Paglia: " We should be honest enough to consider whether homosexuality may not indeed be a pausing at the prepubscent stage where children anxiously band together bt gender...current gay cant insists that homosexuality is 'not a choice'; that no one would choose to be gay in a homophobic society. But there is an element of choice in all behavior, sexual or otherwise. It takes an effort to deal with the opposite sex; it is safer to deal with your own kind. The issue is one of challenge versus comfort."

Boys victimized by older men are far more likely to be homosexual as adults, and the cycle often repeats itself. More environmental factors.

15.) Noted child sex-abuse expert David Finkelhor found that "boys victimized by older men were over four times more likley to be currently engaged in homosexual activity than were non-victims. The finding applied to nearly half the boys who had such an experience. Further, the adolescents themselves often linked their homosexuality to their victimization experiences."

(Bill Watkins & Aaron Bentovim, "The Sexual Bause of Male Adolescents: A Review of Current Research, " Journal of Child Psychiatry 33, (1992); in Byren Finkelman, Sexual Abuse(New York: Garland Publishing, 1995), p. 316

16.) The Archives of Sexual Behavior:

"One of the most salient findings of this study is that 46% of homosexual men and 22% of homosexual women reported having been molested by a person of the same gender."

(Marie, E. Tomeo "Comparative Data of Childhood and Adolescent Molestation in Heterosexual and Homosexual Persons." Archives of Sexual Behavior 30 (2001): 539)

17.) A study of 279 homosexual and bisexual men with Aids and control patients reported:

"More than half of both case and control patients reported a sexual act with a male by age 16 years, approximately 20% by age 10 years."

(Harry W. Haverkos, "The Initiation of Male Homosexual Behavior," The Journal of the American Medical Association 262 (July 28, 1989): 501)

18.) A stduy of 229 convicted child molesters found that:

"86% of offenders against males described themselves as homosexual or bisexual."

(W.D. Erickson, Behavior Patterns of Child Molesters, Archives of Sexual Behavior 17 (1988): 83)

19.) A National Institue of Justice report states that:

"the odds that a childhood sexual abuse victim will be arrested as an adult for any sex crime is 4.7 times higher than for people...who experienced no victimization as children."

(Cathy Spatz Widom, "Victims of Childhood Sexual Abuse - Later Criminal Consequences, Victims of Childhood Sexual Abuse Series: NIJ Research in Brief (March 1995): 6)

20.) A Child Abuse and Neglect study found that 59% of male child sex offenders had beenvictims of contact sexual abuse as a child.

(Michelle Elliott, "Child Sexual Abuse Prevention: What offenders Tell Us" Child Abuse and Neglect 19, (1995): 582)


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KEYWORDS: agenda; child; deanhamer; dna; father; gay; gaygene; gays; genes; homosexual; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; mother; queers; science; scienceofperversion
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To: MAWG

Don't waste your time. He has an unusual obsession with the topic.


181 posted on 12/13/2004 7:08:30 PM PST by BikerNYC
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
The most recent genetics-based identical twin study re-confims for about the fourth time now, what other identical twins studies have shown, that homosexuality is not "genetic". Identical twins have identical genes. If homosexuality was "genetic", then if one twin was homosexual, the other would be too. But this is not the case, far from it in fact. Homosexuality has been proven by this study and multiple others to not be "genetic."

Four studies? Just on twins?

Not enough. WAY not enough.

182 posted on 12/13/2004 9:13:12 PM PST by starfish923
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To: Conservomax

Not just nowhere near him!... The word "perverted" implies that there is a "perverter." He LEARNED that behavior from someone! That's why you need a long talk with your wife, so you can know who is safely distant from this kid to scratch off your list of suspects... you've got real illness there, and its the sort of illness which runs in families.


183 posted on 12/13/2004 9:14:38 PM PST by dangus
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

BTTT


184 posted on 12/13/2004 9:16:02 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Tammy Bruce, The Death of Right and Wrong, p99:

Almost without exception, the gay men I know (and that's too many to count) have a story of some kind of sexual trauma or abuse in their childhood - molestation by a parent or an authority figure, or seduction as an adolescent at the hands of an adult.

Tammy Bruce: Protect New York's Children from the Gay Elite:

Even supporters of the gay school concept admit that the so-called gay kids they’re dealing with suffer from sexual acting-out, suicidal tendencies, drug abuse, and homelessness. The fact is, all of these symptoms are indications of sexual molestation, not homosexuality. So, instead of helping these kids deal with a serious trauma, they’ll be called “gay” and sent to a school to become a chef.

185 posted on 12/13/2004 10:03:44 PM PST by tuesday afternoon (Everything happens for a reason. - 40 and 43)
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To: Denver Ditdat

Barney Frank is attractive because he has big bucks and "connections".


186 posted on 12/14/2004 4:05:12 AM PST by demoRat watcher
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To: Hatteras

Depends on whether you want a bottom or a top...


187 posted on 12/14/2004 5:22:23 AM PST by metacognative (expecting exculpation?!)
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To: dangus

We've talked about it, my wife is a psycologist.

It's nobody in the larger family.

This particular family lives about 90 miles away from the closest relative - always have. they are pretty far removed. People see them only on Holidays, for the most part.

If it is somebody, it is a friend, teacher, priest or neighbor.


188 posted on 12/14/2004 9:15:57 AM PST by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: Conservomax

I'm glad to hear it :^). Happy Christmas!


189 posted on 12/14/2004 9:29:06 AM PST by dangus
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To: dangus

You too. BTW, we're skipping that family get together this XMAS.


190 posted on 12/14/2004 10:16:05 AM PST by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: tuesday afternoon

Tammy Bruce Bump!


191 posted on 12/14/2004 2:27:32 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: dangus

"They are gay because they are attracted narcissinely to themselves", is an amazing observation.


192 posted on 12/16/2004 5:33:13 PM PST by demoRat watcher
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To: Conservomax

This kid sounds like he has been abused or is a narcissist.


193 posted on 12/16/2004 5:54:00 PM PST by demoRat watcher
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To: Conservomax

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194 posted on 12/16/2004 5:58:02 PM PST by demoRat watcher
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Do you honestly think that anyone will take this 'study' by Dr. Hamer seriously?

The media is doing it yet again.

They rush to tell of stuff like this without evidently doing any serious research on molecular biology.

Scientists know that behavior CANNOT be reduced simply to genes.

Genes do not make anyone behave in a certain way.

Genes cannot force anyone to behave in a certain way. Genes are not overwhelming, as any scientist will tell you. Human behavior is much to complex to reduce to genes alone.

In the end, we have free will, and we are all responsible for the choices that we make, sexual or otherwise.

Read my post again, from the top.

Homosexuals, and even religious people aren't "born that way."
196 posted on 12/21/2004 9:07:29 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Hildy

So far, science says otherwise.

If you were to believe that some people are born with a psychological illness that makes them lust for people of the same sex, I'd be right there with you.


199 posted on 01/13/2005 10:54:25 AM PST by RinaseaofDs (The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

BTTT


200 posted on 01/13/2005 10:56:19 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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