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Science Shows That Homosexuals Are Not "Born That Way."
December 13, 2004

Posted on 12/13/2004 9:51:59 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist

1.)Dr. Dean Hamer who failed to find a "gay gene":

"Homosexuality is not purely genetic. Environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay. I don't think that we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

2.) Dr. Dean Hamer was asked by Scientific American if homosexuality was rooted solely in biology. He replied:

"Absolutely not. From twin studies we already know that half or more of the variability in sexual orientation is not inherited. Our studies try to pinpoint the genetic factors, not negate the psychosocial factors."

("New Evidence of a "Gay Gene," by Anastasia Toufexis, Time, November 13, 1995, Vol. 146. Issue 20, p.95)

3.) British researchers generated comparable results in an identical-twin study. Their conclusion? The suprisingly low odds that both twins were homosexual.

The study by them: "confirmed that genetic factors are insufficient explanation for the development of sexual orientation."

(King, M and McDonald, E. Homosexuals Who Are Twins: A Study of 46 Probands. British Journal of Psychiatry. 160: 407-409 (1992).

4a.)Homosexual researcher Simon Levay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of heterosexuals and homosexuals:

"I didn't show that gay men are born that way the msot common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

4b.)Dr. Simon Levay: The most widely held opinion [on causation of homosexuality] is that multiple factors play a role.

Levay, Simon (1996). Queer Science, MIT Press.

5.) Dr. J. Satinover:

"Research studies on homosexuality by Dr's Dean Hamer, Michael Bailey, Richard Dillard, Simon Levay. Laura Allen and Roger Gorski have failed to show proof of a gay gene. There is no scientific evidence that shows that homosexuality is genetic. The media has sensationalized and perpetuated the myth of a homosexual gene."

Satinover, J. M.D. (1996) Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth. Grand Rapids. Baker Books

6.) Another of Dr. Jeffery Satinover's conclusions in "The Gay Gene":

"There is no evidence that shows that homosexuality is genetic--and none of the resaerch itself claims there is. Only the press and certain researchers do when speaking in sound bites to the public."

(Jeffery Satinover, M.D. The Journal of Human Sexuality, 1996, p.8)

7.) The American Psychological Association:

"Many scientists share the view that sexual orientation is shaped for many people at an early age through complex interactions of biology, psychological and social factors."

(The American Psychological Association's pamphlet "Answers to Your Questions About Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality."

8.) The American Psychiatric Association (2000):

"no replicated scientific studies showing any specific biological etiology for homosexuality."

9.) Sociologist Steven Goldberg:

"I know of no one in the field who argues that homosexuality can be explained without reference to environmental factors."

(Goldberg, Steven (1994) When Wish Replaces Thought: Why So Much of What You Believe is False. Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books.

10a.) Science, 1994:

"Time and time again, scientists have claimed that particular genes or chromosomal regions are associated with behavioral traits only to withdraw their findings when they were not replicated. "Unfortunately," says Yale's [Dr. Joel] Gelernter: "It's hard to come up with many findings linking specific genes to complex human behaviors that have been replicated...all were announced with great fanfare, all were greeted unskeptically in the popular press; all are now in disrepute."

(Mann, C. "Genes and Behavior." Science 264: 1687 (1994), pp. 1686-1689.)

10b.) "The interactions of genes and environment is much more complex than the simple "violence genes" and "intelligence genes" touted in the popular press."

Mann, C. op. cit. pp. 1686-1689

11.) Two genetics researchers, one at Harvard, commented in Technology Review, July 1993 p. 60 concerning twin study's.

"While the authors interpreted their findings as evidence for a genetic basis for homosexuality, we think that the data, in fact, provide strong evidence for the influence of the environment."

(Billings, P. and Beckwith, J. Technology Review, July 1993. p.60)

12.) P. Scott Richards:

"Some environmental and psychological factors that may play a causal role in the development of homosexuality include: (1) cross-gender effiminate behavior in childhood. (2) gender-identity deficits (3) hostile, dteached or absent fathers (which leads to "defensive detachment" from the father and other males) and (4) overly close, controlling or dominating mothers.

(P. Scott Richards, "The Treatment of Homosexuality: Some Historical, Contemporary and Personal Perspectives," AMCAP Journal. Vol 19, No. 1, 1993, pg. 36)

13.) Lesbian biologist Dr. Anne Fausto-Sterling of Brown University, responding to the "born that way" argument:

"It provides a legal argument that is, at the moment actually having some sawy in court. For me, it's a very shaky palce. It's bad science and bad politics. It seems to me that the way we consider homosexuality in our culture is an ethical and a moral one."

14.) Camille Paglia, lesbiam activist: "Homosexuality is 'not normal'. On the contrary it is a challenge to the norm. Nature exists whether academics like it or not. And in nature, procreation is the single, relentless rule. That is the norm. Our sexual bodies were designed for reproduction. No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous. Homosexuality is an adaptation, not an inborn trait."

Camille Paglia: " Is the gay identity so fragile that it cannot bear the thought that some people may not wish to be gay? Sexuality is highly fluid, and reversals are theoretically possible. However, habit is highly refractory, and once the sensory pathways have been blazed -- a phenmenon obvious in the struggle with obesity, smoking, alcoholism or drug addiction...helping to learn how to function heterosexually, if they wish, is a perferctly worthy aim."

Camille Paglia: " We should be honest enough to consider whether homosexuality may not indeed be a pausing at the prepubscent stage where children anxiously band together bt gender...current gay cant insists that homosexuality is 'not a choice'; that no one would choose to be gay in a homophobic society. But there is an element of choice in all behavior, sexual or otherwise. It takes an effort to deal with the opposite sex; it is safer to deal with your own kind. The issue is one of challenge versus comfort."

Boys victimized by older men are far more likely to be homosexual as adults, and the cycle often repeats itself. More environmental factors.

15.) Noted child sex-abuse expert David Finkelhor found that "boys victimized by older men were over four times more likley to be currently engaged in homosexual activity than were non-victims. The finding applied to nearly half the boys who had such an experience. Further, the adolescents themselves often linked their homosexuality to their victimization experiences."

(Bill Watkins & Aaron Bentovim, "The Sexual Bause of Male Adolescents: A Review of Current Research, " Journal of Child Psychiatry 33, (1992); in Byren Finkelman, Sexual Abuse(New York: Garland Publishing, 1995), p. 316

16.) The Archives of Sexual Behavior:

"One of the most salient findings of this study is that 46% of homosexual men and 22% of homosexual women reported having been molested by a person of the same gender."

(Marie, E. Tomeo "Comparative Data of Childhood and Adolescent Molestation in Heterosexual and Homosexual Persons." Archives of Sexual Behavior 30 (2001): 539)

17.) A study of 279 homosexual and bisexual men with Aids and control patients reported:

"More than half of both case and control patients reported a sexual act with a male by age 16 years, approximately 20% by age 10 years."

(Harry W. Haverkos, "The Initiation of Male Homosexual Behavior," The Journal of the American Medical Association 262 (July 28, 1989): 501)

18.) A stduy of 229 convicted child molesters found that:

"86% of offenders against males described themselves as homosexual or bisexual."

(W.D. Erickson, Behavior Patterns of Child Molesters, Archives of Sexual Behavior 17 (1988): 83)

19.) A National Institue of Justice report states that:

"the odds that a childhood sexual abuse victim will be arrested as an adult for any sex crime is 4.7 times higher than for people...who experienced no victimization as children."

(Cathy Spatz Widom, "Victims of Childhood Sexual Abuse - Later Criminal Consequences, Victims of Childhood Sexual Abuse Series: NIJ Research in Brief (March 1995): 6)

20.) A Child Abuse and Neglect study found that 59% of male child sex offenders had beenvictims of contact sexual abuse as a child.

(Michelle Elliott, "Child Sexual Abuse Prevention: What offenders Tell Us" Child Abuse and Neglect 19, (1995): 582)


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KEYWORDS: agenda; child; deanhamer; dna; father; gay; gaygene; gays; genes; homosexual; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; mother; queers; science; scienceofperversion
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1 posted on 12/13/2004 9:52:00 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: EdReform

Archival bump.


2 posted on 12/13/2004 9:55:46 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The only "Gay Gene" that is located are the ones they are wearing...


3 posted on 12/13/2004 9:56:04 AM PST by missyme
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

This news won't be pleasing the queer community in their neverending quest to be legally acknowledged as "special" with special rights.


4 posted on 12/13/2004 9:56:07 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: All; scripter; Coleus; little jeremiah; EdReform

Science reveals the facts that the mainstream media wont.

These scientific studies were compiled from multiple places. I thought that I would bring them all together. Some of the sites where alot of this was found.

http://www.narth.com

http://www.unitedfamilies.org


5 posted on 12/13/2004 9:56:09 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
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Good Work...nice research putting all of these into one written document...
Thanks
Sharper Minds Daily
6 posted on 12/13/2004 9:56:16 AM PST by KMC1
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Homosexual desire is no different that Hetrosexual desire in this respect, everyone has his own set of likes and dislikes. Some guys go all nuts for tall blondes, some guys go all ga-ga for olive skinned, dark haired lovelies and some (like myself) cannot resist a light skinned black woman. Homosexuals go all nuts for another butt pirate. You don't HAVE to go that way.

As much as I am attracted to black women, I was married for a long time (over 15 years) to a latina.


7 posted on 12/13/2004 9:57:23 AM PST by speed_addiction (Ninja's last words, "Hey guys. Watch me just flip out on that big dude over there!")
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To: missyme

I do believe there are some people who are born with a genetic abnormality that makes them lust for sex with people of the same sex. I do believe that. This has nothing to do with love.


8 posted on 12/13/2004 9:58:15 AM PST by Hildy ( The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Wonder if there are any studies concerning identical twins raised apart?


9 posted on 12/13/2004 9:58:39 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Dr. Dean Hamer was asked by Scientific American if homosexuality was rooted solely in biology. He replied:

"Absolutely not."

Expect this guy to now be ripped to shreds as a racist, bigoted, homophobe. Possibly the ACLU can get in on the act and sue him into bankruptcy for "hate speech" seeing that he did say homosexuality is NOT what the homosexual lobby says it is.

11 posted on 12/13/2004 9:59:14 AM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping.

I was just going to turn off my computer and have a little dose of "real life"! And along comes this great summary.

Read it, save it, copy it, pass it along.

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.


12 posted on 12/13/2004 9:59:44 AM PST by little jeremiah (What would happen if everyone decided their own "right and wrong"?)
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13 posted on 12/13/2004 10:01:02 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: All

An analysis of another identical-twin study that helps to smash the "born gay" theory(A year 2000 identical-twin study. A very large study, very precise. 14,000+ identical twins in this most recent study)

http://www.narth.com/docs/whitehead2.html


14 posted on 12/13/2004 10:04:00 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
From MY readings of "scientific" studies over the last three decades, homosexuality IS a mixture of nature and nuture.
The nature is PROBABLY a SERIES of many genetic/chromosomal dysfuctions, which may be inherited or caused from chemical problams (mother ingests drugs at wrong time of fetus' development).
The nuture is up for grabs. SOME children get through any crises without damage. SOME children are dysfuntional, in spite of a "normal, healthy" upbringing.

Studies continue, but they won't amount to much, I think. The "nuture" factors are simply too overwhelming. There is really no SCIENTIFIC way to study human behavior, especially when it's retroactive. SCIENTIFIC involves blind studies, random sampling, pre-post tests, LONG term studies involves millions and millions and millions of people. Given that, people forget, exaggerate, say what the "scientist" wants to hear, lie, learn what to say from therapists and plain just don't remember.

I think the puzzle will be solved with DNA and genetic studies. It WON'T solve the problem, but at least folks will know how and why things are the way they are.

I feel very sorry for homosexuals, bisexuals and transgenders. How very sad to be born or end up with SUCH a profoundly abnormal view of one's own sexuality.
Mind you, I feel that way in my heart and brain, but when I see the homosexual agenda shoved in our faces, forced down our throats and legislated by asshole activist educators, mayors and judges, I often feel little sympathy.

15 posted on 12/13/2004 10:05:30 AM PST by starfish923
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To: Hildy
I do believe there are some people who are born with a genetic abnormality that makes them lust for sex with people of the same sex.

I'm curious... do you believe the same thing about people who lust for sex with farm animals? If so, are all sexual lusts other than a lust for the opposite sex part of a "genetic abnormality" that people are born with? If not how do you explain the differentiation between what people lust for and their genetics? Where is the cutoff point?

16 posted on 12/13/2004 10:05:48 AM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

They are recruited, obviously.

Look at the homosexuals in your own life: Are they ugly? Fat? Disabled? Low IQ? Slovenly?

Mothers beware! Homosexuals are targeting the cream-of-the-crop.

They look good and are for the most part healthy because homosexuals are not recruiting those whom they do not find attractive.


17 posted on 12/13/2004 10:06:01 AM PST by demoRat watcher
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

"Boys victimized by older men are far more likely to be homosexual as adults, and the cycle often repeats itself. More environmental factors."

1) Makes one wonder about the childhood of Michael Jackson.

2) Makes one wonder how long the chain of abusing Priests is.


18 posted on 12/13/2004 10:06:21 AM PST by IamConservative (People with courage and character always seem sinister to the rest.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
From twin studies we already know that half or more of the variability in sexual orientation is not inherited.

The corolary is that while there may not be one gay gene, about half of the variability is inherited.

SO9

19 posted on 12/13/2004 10:06:42 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Fabulous PING!
20 posted on 12/13/2004 10:07:54 AM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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