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Science Shows That Homosexuals Are Not "Born That Way."
December 13, 2004

Posted on 12/13/2004 9:51:59 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist

1.)Dr. Dean Hamer who failed to find a "gay gene":

"Homosexuality is not purely genetic. Environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay. I don't think that we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

2.) Dr. Dean Hamer was asked by Scientific American if homosexuality was rooted solely in biology. He replied:

"Absolutely not. From twin studies we already know that half or more of the variability in sexual orientation is not inherited. Our studies try to pinpoint the genetic factors, not negate the psychosocial factors."

("New Evidence of a "Gay Gene," by Anastasia Toufexis, Time, November 13, 1995, Vol. 146. Issue 20, p.95)

3.) British researchers generated comparable results in an identical-twin study. Their conclusion? The suprisingly low odds that both twins were homosexual.

The study by them: "confirmed that genetic factors are insufficient explanation for the development of sexual orientation."

(King, M and McDonald, E. Homosexuals Who Are Twins: A Study of 46 Probands. British Journal of Psychiatry. 160: 407-409 (1992).

4a.)Homosexual researcher Simon Levay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of heterosexuals and homosexuals:

"I didn't show that gay men are born that way the msot common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

4b.)Dr. Simon Levay: The most widely held opinion [on causation of homosexuality] is that multiple factors play a role.

Levay, Simon (1996). Queer Science, MIT Press.

5.) Dr. J. Satinover:

"Research studies on homosexuality by Dr's Dean Hamer, Michael Bailey, Richard Dillard, Simon Levay. Laura Allen and Roger Gorski have failed to show proof of a gay gene. There is no scientific evidence that shows that homosexuality is genetic. The media has sensationalized and perpetuated the myth of a homosexual gene."

Satinover, J. M.D. (1996) Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth. Grand Rapids. Baker Books

6.) Another of Dr. Jeffery Satinover's conclusions in "The Gay Gene":

"There is no evidence that shows that homosexuality is genetic--and none of the resaerch itself claims there is. Only the press and certain researchers do when speaking in sound bites to the public."

(Jeffery Satinover, M.D. The Journal of Human Sexuality, 1996, p.8)

7.) The American Psychological Association:

"Many scientists share the view that sexual orientation is shaped for many people at an early age through complex interactions of biology, psychological and social factors."

(The American Psychological Association's pamphlet "Answers to Your Questions About Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality."

8.) The American Psychiatric Association (2000):

"no replicated scientific studies showing any specific biological etiology for homosexuality."

9.) Sociologist Steven Goldberg:

"I know of no one in the field who argues that homosexuality can be explained without reference to environmental factors."

(Goldberg, Steven (1994) When Wish Replaces Thought: Why So Much of What You Believe is False. Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books.

10a.) Science, 1994:

"Time and time again, scientists have claimed that particular genes or chromosomal regions are associated with behavioral traits only to withdraw their findings when they were not replicated. "Unfortunately," says Yale's [Dr. Joel] Gelernter: "It's hard to come up with many findings linking specific genes to complex human behaviors that have been replicated...all were announced with great fanfare, all were greeted unskeptically in the popular press; all are now in disrepute."

(Mann, C. "Genes and Behavior." Science 264: 1687 (1994), pp. 1686-1689.)

10b.) "The interactions of genes and environment is much more complex than the simple "violence genes" and "intelligence genes" touted in the popular press."

Mann, C. op. cit. pp. 1686-1689

11.) Two genetics researchers, one at Harvard, commented in Technology Review, July 1993 p. 60 concerning twin study's.

"While the authors interpreted their findings as evidence for a genetic basis for homosexuality, we think that the data, in fact, provide strong evidence for the influence of the environment."

(Billings, P. and Beckwith, J. Technology Review, July 1993. p.60)

12.) P. Scott Richards:

"Some environmental and psychological factors that may play a causal role in the development of homosexuality include: (1) cross-gender effiminate behavior in childhood. (2) gender-identity deficits (3) hostile, dteached or absent fathers (which leads to "defensive detachment" from the father and other males) and (4) overly close, controlling or dominating mothers.

(P. Scott Richards, "The Treatment of Homosexuality: Some Historical, Contemporary and Personal Perspectives," AMCAP Journal. Vol 19, No. 1, 1993, pg. 36)

13.) Lesbian biologist Dr. Anne Fausto-Sterling of Brown University, responding to the "born that way" argument:

"It provides a legal argument that is, at the moment actually having some sawy in court. For me, it's a very shaky palce. It's bad science and bad politics. It seems to me that the way we consider homosexuality in our culture is an ethical and a moral one."

14.) Camille Paglia, lesbiam activist: "Homosexuality is 'not normal'. On the contrary it is a challenge to the norm. Nature exists whether academics like it or not. And in nature, procreation is the single, relentless rule. That is the norm. Our sexual bodies were designed for reproduction. No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous. Homosexuality is an adaptation, not an inborn trait."

Camille Paglia: " Is the gay identity so fragile that it cannot bear the thought that some people may not wish to be gay? Sexuality is highly fluid, and reversals are theoretically possible. However, habit is highly refractory, and once the sensory pathways have been blazed -- a phenmenon obvious in the struggle with obesity, smoking, alcoholism or drug addiction...helping to learn how to function heterosexually, if they wish, is a perferctly worthy aim."

Camille Paglia: " We should be honest enough to consider whether homosexuality may not indeed be a pausing at the prepubscent stage where children anxiously band together bt gender...current gay cant insists that homosexuality is 'not a choice'; that no one would choose to be gay in a homophobic society. But there is an element of choice in all behavior, sexual or otherwise. It takes an effort to deal with the opposite sex; it is safer to deal with your own kind. The issue is one of challenge versus comfort."

Boys victimized by older men are far more likely to be homosexual as adults, and the cycle often repeats itself. More environmental factors.

15.) Noted child sex-abuse expert David Finkelhor found that "boys victimized by older men were over four times more likley to be currently engaged in homosexual activity than were non-victims. The finding applied to nearly half the boys who had such an experience. Further, the adolescents themselves often linked their homosexuality to their victimization experiences."

(Bill Watkins & Aaron Bentovim, "The Sexual Bause of Male Adolescents: A Review of Current Research, " Journal of Child Psychiatry 33, (1992); in Byren Finkelman, Sexual Abuse(New York: Garland Publishing, 1995), p. 316

16.) The Archives of Sexual Behavior:

"One of the most salient findings of this study is that 46% of homosexual men and 22% of homosexual women reported having been molested by a person of the same gender."

(Marie, E. Tomeo "Comparative Data of Childhood and Adolescent Molestation in Heterosexual and Homosexual Persons." Archives of Sexual Behavior 30 (2001): 539)

17.) A study of 279 homosexual and bisexual men with Aids and control patients reported:

"More than half of both case and control patients reported a sexual act with a male by age 16 years, approximately 20% by age 10 years."

(Harry W. Haverkos, "The Initiation of Male Homosexual Behavior," The Journal of the American Medical Association 262 (July 28, 1989): 501)

18.) A stduy of 229 convicted child molesters found that:

"86% of offenders against males described themselves as homosexual or bisexual."

(W.D. Erickson, Behavior Patterns of Child Molesters, Archives of Sexual Behavior 17 (1988): 83)

19.) A National Institue of Justice report states that:

"the odds that a childhood sexual abuse victim will be arrested as an adult for any sex crime is 4.7 times higher than for people...who experienced no victimization as children."

(Cathy Spatz Widom, "Victims of Childhood Sexual Abuse - Later Criminal Consequences, Victims of Childhood Sexual Abuse Series: NIJ Research in Brief (March 1995): 6)

20.) A Child Abuse and Neglect study found that 59% of male child sex offenders had beenvictims of contact sexual abuse as a child.

(Michelle Elliott, "Child Sexual Abuse Prevention: What offenders Tell Us" Child Abuse and Neglect 19, (1995): 582)


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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Camille Paglia: " We should be honest enough to consider whether homosexuality may not indeed be a pausing at the prepubscent stage where children anxiously band together bt gender...current gay cant insists that homosexuality is 'not a choice'; that no one would choose to be gay in a homophobic society. But there is an element of choice in all behavior, sexual or otherwise. It takes an effort to deal with the opposite sex; it is safer to deal with your own kind. The issue is one of challenge versus comfort."

Keep talking that way Camille and the DNC will take away your membership card.

In general I don't agree with Camille Paglia's liberal politics, but when ever I see her on TV I can't help but like her. Most other feminists are whining shrews. Camille is just the opposite.

41 posted on 12/13/2004 10:29:54 AM PST by KarlInOhio (In a just world, Arafat would have died at the end of a rope.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; Travis McGee; ArGee; lentulusgracchus; Bryan; little jeremiah
Born or Bred? Science Does Not Support the Claim That Homosexuality is Genetic
42 posted on 12/13/2004 10:29:58 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

BTTT!


43 posted on 12/13/2004 10:30:57 AM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Very interesting. Apparently, people do what they want to do - for their own reasons.


44 posted on 12/13/2004 10:31:32 AM PST by RAY (They that do right are all heroes!)
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To: metacognative
That's why Gay marriage is really a joke, at least for men. The lesbian thing is another story, nothing having to do with genes. As the old joke goes:,

"What does a gay guy bring on a second date?
a) Another guy.

"What does a lesbian bring on a second date?"
a) A moving van.

45 posted on 12/13/2004 10:31:36 AM PST by Hildy ( The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue)
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To: Travis McGee

There was an interesting article last week about the possibility that babies may be born gay due to stresses on the fetus effecting brain chemistry prior to birth.


46 posted on 12/13/2004 10:32:45 AM PST by WildTurkey
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

And of course, the homosexual lobby only promotes mandatory gay awareness programs in public schools to promote tolerance. Nothing to do with indoctrination and recruitment, naaah, you have to be born gay, we can't push anyone in that direction. Such BS.


47 posted on 12/13/2004 10:33:08 AM PST by Big Digger (If you can keep your head when others are losing theirs, you must be a Republican)
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To: Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...

Quite rightly stated.

Actually the very word "homosexual" was coined by a - well, they used to be called "sodomites" and "pederasts", merely words describing their activities - a "sodomite" who wanted a word that would create a sense of special community among fellow sodomy specialists.

It's a word just like "gay".


48 posted on 12/13/2004 10:33:50 AM PST by little jeremiah (What would happen if everyone decided their own "right and wrong"?)
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To: Hatteras

I use to work for a privately owned company in Palm Springs Ca in the mid 90's the owner bought a Gay Man's Optional Clothing HOtel where he stuck me in oine of the hotel offices..I worked there for 6 months and could not take it any longer, The sexual aggressiveness of these Queer men was unbelievable! they walked up to anybody standing around and asked them to do the wild thing before they even new there name and BAM! they were off...

I was suprised one day they had Asian Days and groups of Japenese men were in Gay Heaven..

Gay Hotels are just little Soddom and Gommorahs...


49 posted on 12/13/2004 10:34:11 AM PST by missyme
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
An excerpt from "Paglia: The energy mess and fascist gays"

"... Which brings us to another subject, the furor this past month over a report by psychiatrist Robert Spitzer of Columbia University that, from his rather cursory interviews with 153 men and 47 women, the "reparative therapy" endorsed by conservative Protestant groups can in some cases change sexual orientation from gay to straight. That Spitzer had helped to persuade the American Psychiatric Association to drop the classification of homosexuality as a mental disorder in 1973 makes his current study harder to dismiss.

Nevertheless, screeching gay activists immediately descended on the media to denounce and defame Spitzer as a tool of the far right. This was a good example of the fascist policing of public discourse in this country by nominal liberals who have become as unthinkingly wedded to dogma as any junior member of the Spanish Inquisition. Why should the fluidity of sexual orientation threaten any gay secure in his or her identity?

What gay ideologues, inflated like pink balloons with poststructuralist hot air, can't admit, of course, is that heterosexuality is nature's norm, enforced by powerful hormonal cues at puberty. In the past decade, one shoddy book after another, rapturously applauded by p.c. reviewers, has exaggerated the incidence of homosexuality in the animal world and, without due regard for reproductive adaptations caused by environmental changes, toxins or population pressure, reductively interpreted bonding or hierarchical behavior as gay in the human sense.

Because of the unblushing dishonesty of strident activists and campus "queer theorists," whose general knowledge of science would fit into Marie Antoinette's thimble, we are ironically further from understanding homosexuality than we were in 1970, when popular culture was moving into the seductive gender-bending era typified by the brilliant David Bowie. With the emphasis on external "politics," all respect for psychology has been lost. Did no one notice the grotesquely misogynous dialogue put into gay men's mouths on "Queer as Folk"? That kind of catty aversion to the female body is learned, not inborn, and it can be partly traced to early family relations, before personal memory has even gelled.

My political philosophy as a libertarian says that government has no business intervening in any consensual private behavior. My professional ethic as a thinker and writer, however, says that self-knowledge is our ultimate responsibility. In vicious attacks like the one on Spitzer, gay activists, with all their good intentions, are aligning themselves with the forces of ignorance and repression. Too little reliable work is currently being done in homosexuality because free inquiry cannot be conducted in a politicized atmosphere of harassment and intimidation..."


50 posted on 12/13/2004 10:36:45 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: missyme

Oh my, bet you saw more than you'd ever want to see. Oy.


51 posted on 12/13/2004 10:36:50 AM PST by Hildy ( The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue)
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To: demoRat watcher
They look good and are for the most part healthy because homosexuals are not recruiting those whom they do not find attractive.

Maybe... but how does that explain Bawney Fwank?


52 posted on 12/13/2004 10:39:43 AM PST by Denver Ditdat (Ronald Reagan belongs to the ages now, but we preferred it when he belonged to us.)
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To: little jeremiah

Exactly - and by using the word 'gay', it means falling right into the lobbyists trap of first changing the language to 1. mean something than it originally meant and 2. the creation of a term which looks like it has some type of group status associated with it and therefore legitimacy.

It's for this reason that I absolutely refuse to use the word 'gay' - at least in any kind of sexuality context.


53 posted on 12/13/2004 10:40:16 AM PST by Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...
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To: Hildy

I left after Easter when I witnessed the Egg Hunt and how they hunted for the eggs, by where they put the eggs!

Guess they thought they were Chickens!


54 posted on 12/13/2004 10:40:34 AM PST by missyme
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To: lormand

I miss the point.


55 posted on 12/13/2004 10:40:53 AM PST by Protagoras (Christmas is not a secular holiday)
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To: missyme

LOL...It's mind boggling, isn't it?


57 posted on 12/13/2004 10:41:51 AM PST by Hildy ( The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue)
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To: Semper Paratus

Reading comprehension ain't your long suit, I see.


58 posted on 12/13/2004 10:42:41 AM PST by Old Professer (The accidental trumps the purposeful in every endeavor attended by the incompetent.)
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To: WildTurkey

I believe that a girl born after a older brother has a higher chance of being a tom boy because of the antibodies left in the mother's body. The same thing might affect men born after an older sister. But I think a lot of homosexuality is born of lack of success with the opposite sex and a familiarity with the same sex. Clearly more is involved including earlier experiences. I go with the continuum thing, everyone is on a line from hetero to homo and where you are sometimes gives one side or the other a chance to pull you in. Not genetic, but nevertheless inherent.

This does not mean I want homosexuality to be normalized, on the contrary, I would like to see it totally underground and given as many chances to disappear as possible.


59 posted on 12/13/2004 10:43:02 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: Protagoras

I believe Ann Heche used to be Ellen DeGeneres' "girlfriend," but then married a man.

So she seems to have changed her mind . . .


60 posted on 12/13/2004 10:43:12 AM PST by cvq3842
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