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Science Shows That Homosexuals Are Not "Born That Way."
December 13, 2004

Posted on 12/13/2004 9:51:59 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist

1.)Dr. Dean Hamer who failed to find a "gay gene":

"Homosexuality is not purely genetic. Environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay. I don't think that we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

2.) Dr. Dean Hamer was asked by Scientific American if homosexuality was rooted solely in biology. He replied:

"Absolutely not. From twin studies we already know that half or more of the variability in sexual orientation is not inherited. Our studies try to pinpoint the genetic factors, not negate the psychosocial factors."

("New Evidence of a "Gay Gene," by Anastasia Toufexis, Time, November 13, 1995, Vol. 146. Issue 20, p.95)

3.) British researchers generated comparable results in an identical-twin study. Their conclusion? The suprisingly low odds that both twins were homosexual.

The study by them: "confirmed that genetic factors are insufficient explanation for the development of sexual orientation."

(King, M and McDonald, E. Homosexuals Who Are Twins: A Study of 46 Probands. British Journal of Psychiatry. 160: 407-409 (1992).

4a.)Homosexual researcher Simon Levay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of heterosexuals and homosexuals:

"I didn't show that gay men are born that way the msot common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

4b.)Dr. Simon Levay: The most widely held opinion [on causation of homosexuality] is that multiple factors play a role.

Levay, Simon (1996). Queer Science, MIT Press.

5.) Dr. J. Satinover:

"Research studies on homosexuality by Dr's Dean Hamer, Michael Bailey, Richard Dillard, Simon Levay. Laura Allen and Roger Gorski have failed to show proof of a gay gene. There is no scientific evidence that shows that homosexuality is genetic. The media has sensationalized and perpetuated the myth of a homosexual gene."

Satinover, J. M.D. (1996) Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth. Grand Rapids. Baker Books

6.) Another of Dr. Jeffery Satinover's conclusions in "The Gay Gene":

"There is no evidence that shows that homosexuality is genetic--and none of the resaerch itself claims there is. Only the press and certain researchers do when speaking in sound bites to the public."

(Jeffery Satinover, M.D. The Journal of Human Sexuality, 1996, p.8)

7.) The American Psychological Association:

"Many scientists share the view that sexual orientation is shaped for many people at an early age through complex interactions of biology, psychological and social factors."

(The American Psychological Association's pamphlet "Answers to Your Questions About Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality."

8.) The American Psychiatric Association (2000):

"no replicated scientific studies showing any specific biological etiology for homosexuality."

9.) Sociologist Steven Goldberg:

"I know of no one in the field who argues that homosexuality can be explained without reference to environmental factors."

(Goldberg, Steven (1994) When Wish Replaces Thought: Why So Much of What You Believe is False. Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books.

10a.) Science, 1994:

"Time and time again, scientists have claimed that particular genes or chromosomal regions are associated with behavioral traits only to withdraw their findings when they were not replicated. "Unfortunately," says Yale's [Dr. Joel] Gelernter: "It's hard to come up with many findings linking specific genes to complex human behaviors that have been replicated...all were announced with great fanfare, all were greeted unskeptically in the popular press; all are now in disrepute."

(Mann, C. "Genes and Behavior." Science 264: 1687 (1994), pp. 1686-1689.)

10b.) "The interactions of genes and environment is much more complex than the simple "violence genes" and "intelligence genes" touted in the popular press."

Mann, C. op. cit. pp. 1686-1689

11.) Two genetics researchers, one at Harvard, commented in Technology Review, July 1993 p. 60 concerning twin study's.

"While the authors interpreted their findings as evidence for a genetic basis for homosexuality, we think that the data, in fact, provide strong evidence for the influence of the environment."

(Billings, P. and Beckwith, J. Technology Review, July 1993. p.60)

12.) P. Scott Richards:

"Some environmental and psychological factors that may play a causal role in the development of homosexuality include: (1) cross-gender effiminate behavior in childhood. (2) gender-identity deficits (3) hostile, dteached or absent fathers (which leads to "defensive detachment" from the father and other males) and (4) overly close, controlling or dominating mothers.

(P. Scott Richards, "The Treatment of Homosexuality: Some Historical, Contemporary and Personal Perspectives," AMCAP Journal. Vol 19, No. 1, 1993, pg. 36)

13.) Lesbian biologist Dr. Anne Fausto-Sterling of Brown University, responding to the "born that way" argument:

"It provides a legal argument that is, at the moment actually having some sawy in court. For me, it's a very shaky palce. It's bad science and bad politics. It seems to me that the way we consider homosexuality in our culture is an ethical and a moral one."

14.) Camille Paglia, lesbiam activist: "Homosexuality is 'not normal'. On the contrary it is a challenge to the norm. Nature exists whether academics like it or not. And in nature, procreation is the single, relentless rule. That is the norm. Our sexual bodies were designed for reproduction. No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous. Homosexuality is an adaptation, not an inborn trait."

Camille Paglia: " Is the gay identity so fragile that it cannot bear the thought that some people may not wish to be gay? Sexuality is highly fluid, and reversals are theoretically possible. However, habit is highly refractory, and once the sensory pathways have been blazed -- a phenmenon obvious in the struggle with obesity, smoking, alcoholism or drug addiction...helping to learn how to function heterosexually, if they wish, is a perferctly worthy aim."

Camille Paglia: " We should be honest enough to consider whether homosexuality may not indeed be a pausing at the prepubscent stage where children anxiously band together bt gender...current gay cant insists that homosexuality is 'not a choice'; that no one would choose to be gay in a homophobic society. But there is an element of choice in all behavior, sexual or otherwise. It takes an effort to deal with the opposite sex; it is safer to deal with your own kind. The issue is one of challenge versus comfort."

Boys victimized by older men are far more likely to be homosexual as adults, and the cycle often repeats itself. More environmental factors.

15.) Noted child sex-abuse expert David Finkelhor found that "boys victimized by older men were over four times more likley to be currently engaged in homosexual activity than were non-victims. The finding applied to nearly half the boys who had such an experience. Further, the adolescents themselves often linked their homosexuality to their victimization experiences."

(Bill Watkins & Aaron Bentovim, "The Sexual Bause of Male Adolescents: A Review of Current Research, " Journal of Child Psychiatry 33, (1992); in Byren Finkelman, Sexual Abuse(New York: Garland Publishing, 1995), p. 316

16.) The Archives of Sexual Behavior:

"One of the most salient findings of this study is that 46% of homosexual men and 22% of homosexual women reported having been molested by a person of the same gender."

(Marie, E. Tomeo "Comparative Data of Childhood and Adolescent Molestation in Heterosexual and Homosexual Persons." Archives of Sexual Behavior 30 (2001): 539)

17.) A study of 279 homosexual and bisexual men with Aids and control patients reported:

"More than half of both case and control patients reported a sexual act with a male by age 16 years, approximately 20% by age 10 years."

(Harry W. Haverkos, "The Initiation of Male Homosexual Behavior," The Journal of the American Medical Association 262 (July 28, 1989): 501)

18.) A stduy of 229 convicted child molesters found that:

"86% of offenders against males described themselves as homosexual or bisexual."

(W.D. Erickson, Behavior Patterns of Child Molesters, Archives of Sexual Behavior 17 (1988): 83)

19.) A National Institue of Justice report states that:

"the odds that a childhood sexual abuse victim will be arrested as an adult for any sex crime is 4.7 times higher than for people...who experienced no victimization as children."

(Cathy Spatz Widom, "Victims of Childhood Sexual Abuse - Later Criminal Consequences, Victims of Childhood Sexual Abuse Series: NIJ Research in Brief (March 1995): 6)

20.) A Child Abuse and Neglect study found that 59% of male child sex offenders had beenvictims of contact sexual abuse as a child.

(Michelle Elliott, "Child Sexual Abuse Prevention: What offenders Tell Us" Child Abuse and Neglect 19, (1995): 582)


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To: Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...

When I was a Kid my dad called them Queers and Fruits...

They ruined the true meaning of Gay...


61 posted on 12/13/2004 10:43:22 AM PST by missyme
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Damn it! and all this time I thought the sun was out at 3 a.m.... Damn it!


62 posted on 12/13/2004 10:44:56 AM PST by odoso (Millions for charity, but not one penny for tribute!)
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To: Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...

At least the fence-post knot-holers should agree with you.


63 posted on 12/13/2004 10:46:05 AM PST by Old Professer (The accidental trumps the purposeful in every endeavor attended by the incompetent.)
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To: little jeremiah

Of course they, else they wouldn't.


64 posted on 12/13/2004 10:46:54 AM PST by Old Professer (The accidental trumps the purposeful in every endeavor attended by the incompetent.)
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To: KC_for_Freedom

There are those who propose that it is population-pressure driven.


65 posted on 12/13/2004 10:48:47 AM PST by Old Professer (The accidental trumps the purposeful in every endeavor attended by the incompetent.)
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To: cvq3842
I believe Ann Heche used to be Ellen DeGeneres' "girlfriend," but then married a man.

I guess you have to know who these icons from pop culture are in order to "get it". I didn't recognize her because I've never seen her. Thankfully.

So she seems to have changed her mind . . .

I think that there are many people don't care a whit what sex person they are cavorting with. It it gets ya off, go for it.

I hear that many married women are going "bi" in order to get turned on without having affairs with men other than their husbands. Often with the moronic husbands going along so they can view other women having sex with their wives. It takes all kinds....

66 posted on 12/13/2004 10:50:28 AM PST by Protagoras (Christmas is not a secular holiday)
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To: Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...

"Homophilia" does exist. The term was invented to describe patients who found themselves far more turned on by members of their own sex; Even though they were trying to be heterosexual, they just couldn't find members of their own sex attractive.

Homosexuality is a behavior. It was conflated with homophilia by the MSM so as to confuse terms; it is much easier to denounce homsexuality than homophilia. The Catholic church, for instance, finds homosexuality to be emphatically and categorically denounced in the bible, but has significantly more difficulties on the issue as to whether homophiles should be excluded from the priesthood. (Rome has said they should be, but has failed to discipline anyone from the American Church which nearly unanimously permits homophiles into the priesthood. Rome opposes the ordination of homophiles because it finds that the tremendous sacrifice of priestly celibacy (which is fantastically greater of a burden than simple abstinence) requires sexually and emotionally healthy persons.


67 posted on 12/13/2004 10:50:39 AM PST by dangus
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To: wolf24
If there is a gay gene then there is also a foot fetish gene, a beastiality gene, and you...well you get the picture. Not so much a gene, wolf. More a matter of taste. Coke or Pepsi, McDonalds or Burger King. A personal choice according to individual tastes. Some couples are happy in the straight missionary, others need to get covered in talcum powder and have oranges thrown at them (so I have heard). There is no gene accounting for that.
68 posted on 12/13/2004 10:52:40 AM PST by speed_addiction (Ninja's last words, "Hey guys. Watch me just flip out on that big dude over there!")
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To: missyme

I'm not sure that it is all that helpful to toss out what would likely be interpreted as derogatory names but the strangest thing about it to me is the way the term 'queer' has been almost marketed and foisted on the public - at least it sure appears that this term is trumpeted from the 'inside' as opposed to something that comes from the 'outside'. Oh right, I forgot - 'they' are celebrating their diversity, difference, uniqueness etc.

At some levels, the whole thing gets very basic. For example, what is a homosexual? The word gets tossed about as if everyone knows what it means.... but what does it really mean?


69 posted on 12/13/2004 10:52:49 AM PST by Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...
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To: Hildy

Love your tag line - so very true.

Ok for the science.

Now what about those teenagers who in puberty form strong attachments to the same sex? What about those teenagers who do not even realize that they are different in their attachments?

Do people really believe teenagers go out on a Saturday and say - "Gee, what can I do to make my peers hate me, bring utter scorn on me?"

I don't. I believe that something goes amiss somewhere along the line in puberty where they do not progress to the "discovering women" stage. I believe they live years of confusion as their friends form attachments to the other sex and they begin to realize they are somehow different from their friends as girlfriend situations are somehow forced to them.

They then drift into associations with other males not hooked up with girlfriends and trouble ensues.

I don't know what causes this - whether an early attack, a missing step in the sexual development stage or what.

But - ask any parent of a young gay person what they saw in the development of that child. I doubt you will find that that child decided willfully to be turned on by males and form strong attachments to males rather than females.

Ask any teenage girl why she is not attracted to her male gay friends sexually. I think you will find that there is just missing chemistry and it just does not take.

Who can explain chemistry among the sexes?

I agree there are choices. I agree that some "experiment" or seek gross diversions. But, in addition, there are the teenagers caught in this mess and we don't need to condemn them - we need answers to help them live in this world.


70 posted on 12/13/2004 10:53:01 AM PST by ClancyJ (Middle America is what makes America - not the Liberal "elitists" and the Media)
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To: wolf24
If there is a gay gene then there is also a foot fetish gene, a beastiality gene, and you...well you get the picture.

I agree. It is ridiculous to think that any one gene controls our feelings, desires, and emotions. If we have free will, we are all able to freely choose to love men or women anytime we want to.
71 posted on 12/13/2004 10:53:10 AM PST by BikerNYC
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To: elmer fudd

Homophilia (attraction to memners of one's own gender) may not be a choice; homosexuality (sexual relations with members of one's own gender) is. That said, even homosexuals culpability for their own sins may be somewhat lessened (but by no means eliminated!) by compulsive or addictive disorders.


72 posted on 12/13/2004 10:53:18 AM PST by dangus
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
I'm curious... do you believe the same thing about people who lust for sex with farm animals?

Yeah, that's where the whole arguement falls apart. Are people born with leather-fetish or rubber-fetish or fill in the blank fetish? There are all sorts of odd things that turns on certain people, and the only real explaination for those is it is a learned behavior. Sexuality is a powerful positive reinforcement mechnism, and to discount its ability to shape ones sexuality is just plain ignorant.

73 posted on 12/13/2004 10:57:52 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Old Professer
There are those who propose that it is population-pressure driven.

We know rats get agressive it the population of the cage is too large. I think people do this too. I don't see how having lots of people (like in big cities) leads to homosexuality, birth control is available and lots of sex can be had. Homosexual men have lots of sex, because each has a partner with the sex drive of a male. Thus they are both males. but attracted not to females. I am not referring here to prison homosexuality, (where women are not available, that is another thing, and is not the kind of homosexuality we are talking about here.) But I would not propose that population pressure has anything to do with it other than high population will allow a larger base number of homosexuals (at the same percentage).

74 posted on 12/13/2004 11:01:18 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: ClancyJ
Why are they caught in this mess? Because society has made it an acceptable alternative. When I was in school the notion that there were troubled girls who turned to each other for sex is preposterous. There were boys, however, who were definitely effiminate.

It brings more problems than it solves for young girls, I believe.

75 posted on 12/13/2004 11:01:31 AM PST by Hildy ( The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue)
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To: Hildy

I disagree. What about all the years before society made it acceptable?

A study needs to be done of parents of gays and see what they noticed over the years of development.

Again - how many teenagers do you know that seek to choose options that bring scorn on them their entire lives? They just want to be accepted by their peers. They are not accepted - no matter what society attempts to do.

How could you get a young normal teenager to avoid girls and instead only be interested in relationships of the same sex. It could not be done.

I have not noticed young men sitting down and deciding they would like girls - not men. I have seen young men totally enamored of a young girl and you could not make them be able to ignore them.

Now why is this? Did you make a choice sexually? I seem to remember having boyfriends in the first grade - and I did not make a "choice".


76 posted on 12/13/2004 11:08:56 AM PST by ClancyJ (Middle America is what makes America - not the Liberal "elitists" and the Media)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Thanks for posting this.

I have long contended, based on my personal observations of the messed-up lives of people who come from abusive families, that the people who end of going off the reservation on this issue do so because of emotional, physical, and/or sexual abuse in their childhoods. It's not always the parents doing the abusing, sometimes it's Uncle Joe or the neighbor or another adult, oh, say, a parish priest or a camp counselor, etc. But if a child is smashed up and pressed out of measure, he's not going to grow up strong and sturdy like children who are well-loved, properly nurtured, and have good role models.

My $.02.


77 posted on 12/13/2004 11:10:17 AM PST by GretchenM (Because the wicked never stop, the righteous must work even harder.)
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To: dangus
Ah, so I see that you've answered the question which I posed in Post #69 (no pun intended). I have to give your response a little more thought but I think I agree with you - homosexuality is a behavior and therefore a homosexual (if we want to use that word) is one who has sex with a member of their own gender. A homosexual (or sodomite) is not someone who is simply attracted to others of their gender - it is someone who is acting on those impulses.

By the way, it's not just the Catholic church that thinks homosexuality is denounced in scripture - anyone reading the Bible can plainly see that it is vehemently denounced. As far celibacy goes, this is not something that is mandated for priest in scripture at all. As a matter of fact, the Jewish priests were required to be married. Sexual desires were not something to be suppressed - they were just supposed to be channeled into the natural and healthy and prescribed outlet. Celibacy is just an idea Rome got that has nothing to do with the Bible.
78 posted on 12/13/2004 11:10:57 AM PST by Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...
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To: Hildy

Oh, I forgot - I am a female - not a male. Don't want to add confusion to our discussion.


79 posted on 12/13/2004 11:11:37 AM PST by ClancyJ (Middle America is what makes America - not the Liberal "elitists" and the Media)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
If so, are all sexual lusts other than a lust for the opposite sex part of a "genetic abnormality" that people are born with?

I would also throw in the pedophiles. Are they born with a lust for little girls and boys? Is there a gene we can isolate for that? It all falls under the same heading. I do not think it is natural in any of these cases, but of course that is just my opiniion.

80 posted on 12/13/2004 11:16:55 AM PST by calex59
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