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Are humans programmed to worship? (The article Rush is looking for?)
Holland Sentinel Online ^ | 11-13-04 | Bill Broadway

Posted on 12/13/2004 10:00:21 AM PST by Matchett-PI

TALKING: Author and behavioral geneticist Dean Hamer talks at his home in Washington. (Washington Post photo by Juana Arias)

Are humans programmed to worship? Author says people have genetic propensity toward religious belief

By Bill Broadway The Washington Post

WASHINGTON -- Dean Hamer has received much criticism for his new book, "The God Gene: How Faith is Hardwired Into Our Genes."

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This may be the article Rush was just talking about.
1 posted on 12/13/2004 10:00:21 AM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: Matchett-PI

The truth is that everyone has a God-shaped hole in their hearts.


2 posted on 12/13/2004 10:02:39 AM PST by little jeremiah (What would happen if everyone decided their own "right and wrong"?)
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To: oldglory; MinuteGal; mcmuffin; sheikdetailfeather; JulieRNR21; Hannity; rush; blackie; ...

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3 posted on 12/13/2004 10:03:05 AM PST by Matchett-PI (All DemocRATS are either religious moral relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
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To: little jeremiah

That's why when we try to fill it with things that aren't God, it's never filled.


4 posted on 12/13/2004 10:03:35 AM PST by little jeremiah (What would happen if everyone decided their own "right and wrong"?)
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To: Matchett-PI

Dean Hamer's impugned decade-long attempt to fabricate a "gay gene" doesn't inspire much confidence in his latest line of work....


5 posted on 12/13/2004 10:09:25 AM PST by AntiGuv ()
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To: little jeremiah

Yes, and when we fill it with God, even the most painful events in life become reason to praise Him and rejoice in His goodness.


6 posted on 12/13/2004 10:10:00 AM PST by trebb (Ain't God good . . .)
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To: AntiGuv

Exactly. Rush is talking about this right now. Of course the bottom line agenda is that nobody can be "blamed" for what they do or don't do since they are already pre-programmed to be that way, and they "can't help it".

Rush: "It's tatamount to taking away a value-system."


7 posted on 12/13/2004 10:15:48 AM PST by Matchett-PI (All DemocRATS are either religious moral relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
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To: Matchett-PI
I don't know what Rush is all worked up about. I learned this in the first grade at Catechism.

6. Q. Why did God make you?
A. God made me to know Him, to love Him, and to serve Him in this world, and to be happy with Him for ever in heaven.

Of course we're wired for religion...God made us that way.

8 posted on 12/13/2004 10:18:17 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: pgkdan

Hard-wiring sure doesn't do much for the doctrine of free will..

Whatever the case, if anyone thinks that Dr. Hamer's work is designed to support or advance Christianity, then they don't know much about Hamer's background.

PS. I have no problem with the idea in the abstract. I have a problem with bad science, which is Hamer's middle name IMHO.


9 posted on 12/13/2004 10:21:37 AM PST by AntiGuv ()
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To: Matchett-PI
Are humans programmed to worship? (The article Rush is looking for?)

I never knew I was programmed to worship the article that Rush was looking for.....

10 posted on 12/13/2004 10:22:52 AM PST by NeoCaveman (There is no dufu but DUFU and PJ Comix is its writer)
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To: little jeremiah
God designed ALL creation to proclaim His glory.

Psalm 19

1 The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.

2 Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge.

3 There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard.

4 Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.

11 posted on 12/13/2004 10:27:09 AM PST by stars & stripes forever
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To: Matchett-PI
No offense meant, but it may be that human ego is a major factor in people believing in an hereafter life.

People just don't want to even consider that they are a beautiful accident that will not go on forever.

12 posted on 12/13/2004 10:28:52 AM PST by squirt-gun
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To: little jeremiah
The truth is that everyone has a God-shaped hole in their hearts.

I couldn't pass this up. To a degree you are correct, but those who come to Christ seeking to fulfill that "hole" is seeking a lifestyle change.

Here is what I mean: The message of the Gospel has become watered down over the past century. Churches started teaching that turning to Christ would "fill" the hole in our heart. They started preaching of the fruits of the spirit, rather than convicting people of their sins.

One who comes to Christ for a life style change at best will become a back slider. Why? Because when they are confronted by difficulties (or persecution as Christ tells us will happen to believers), then they think "hey, where is the Love, joy, peace, etc that I was supposed to encounter by becoming a Christian?" As their life didn't get better, they will fall back into their old habits.

Jesus warned us of Hell. He showed us that no one could keep the law, in deed or in our hearts. That we are all guilty of sinning against our heavenly father and deserve eternity in Hell.

The real message of the gospel is that WE did the crime, and Jesus paid the fine. Because of his sacrifice, we are offered the free gift of grace, pardoned from Hell. People who turn to Christ for a lifestyle change will wither under persecution. Those who have come to the Jesus to repent of their sins will not wilt under persecution, but have the fruits of the spirit (love, joy, peace, etc) because they know that the persecution they face here is temporary.

13 posted on 12/13/2004 10:28:54 AM PST by The Bard (http://www.reflectupon.com/)
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To: pgkdan
See, this is the kind of thing I have a problem with:

At least one gene, which goes by the name VMAT2, controls the flow to the brain of chemicals that play a key role in emotions and consciousness. This is the "God gene" of the book's title, and Hamer acknowledges that it's a misnomer. There probably are dozens or hundreds more genes, yet to be identified, involved in the universal propensity for transcendence, he said.

In other words, his title is deceptive. All Hamer is talking about are the various genes implicated in emotional responses that happen to coincide with spirituality. It's like tracking down foremost gene involved in dopamine or seratonin and calling it a "popsicle gene" (because eating popsicles makes most people happy, and those are the main chemicals involved in happiness).

It's a misleading characterization of the science and it's typical of Hamer's work..

14 posted on 12/13/2004 10:29:35 AM PST by AntiGuv ()
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To: AntiGuv; All
Had a friend over for dinner last night and the gay subject came up. She insists that it is a proved fact that there is a "gay Gene". I told her that she needs to study more about it than go on hear-say. Do any of you know for sure if it has been proved whether there is a gay gene or not. I don't believe it but could be wrong.

I am cautious as a few years ago a "scientist" wrote that there was a gene but several months later it turned out that the guy was gay himself and the article was bogus.

15 posted on 12/13/2004 10:30:28 AM PST by fish hawk
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To: fish hawk

I know for sure that a "gay gene" has not been proven to exist, and that if anything the current state of research strongly points against it in males at least.

There is strong evidence for the influence of prenatal hormones in ultimate sexuality, but that has nothing to do with a "gay gene"..


16 posted on 12/13/2004 10:34:09 AM PST by AntiGuv ()
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To: Matchett-PI; All

Okay - here is the scripture: "EVERYMAN has been given A MEASURE OF FAITH".

Why does everyman need "a measure of faith" - in order to believe Jesus is the Son of GOD, our Savior.

But .. in Deut. 28-29, GOD clearly says, "I've set before you blessing and cursing, NOW YOU CHOOSE".


17 posted on 12/13/2004 10:35:27 AM PST by CyberAnt (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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To: squirt-gun
"human ego is a major factor"

That's for sure. The temptation to be "God" has always been irresistable. [Gen.3:5]

18 posted on 12/13/2004 10:36:11 AM PST by Matchett-PI (All DemocRATS are either religious moral relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
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To: trebb

I could not agree more. Been thinking about this very point lately.

The more we feel grateful to God, on a daily or minute by minute basis, the happier we are in any circumstances.


19 posted on 12/13/2004 10:36:46 AM PST by little jeremiah (What would happen if everyone decided their own "right and wrong"?)
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To: AntiGuv

Thank you. Since I posted I have found another thread on FR that is all about this subject. According to it there is no proof of a gay gene. Aloha


20 posted on 12/13/2004 10:38:00 AM PST by fish hawk
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To: pgkdan

But this "scientist" says that only SOME people have this genetic claptrap thing. Some do, some don't. IOW, it's just some quirk of biology that makes some mindless robots believe in "god" and other mindless robots NOT believe in "god".


21 posted on 12/13/2004 10:38:11 AM PST by little jeremiah (What would happen if everyone decided their own "right and wrong"?)
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To: fish hawk
She insists that it is a proved fact that there is a "gay Gene".

It's the same one that makes some people like Streisand & Minelli...

22 posted on 12/13/2004 10:39:36 AM PST by talleyman (Merry Christmas!)
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To: AntiGuv

Very interesting analysis. Thanks.

As far as the "gay gene," certain behaviors (such as alcoholism, obesity and homosexuality) MAY have a genetic component. But it's not like eye color or height. It's a behavior. where the behavior has negative health effects, society generally discourages it.


23 posted on 12/13/2004 10:40:14 AM PST by cvq3842
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To: CyberAnt
"Okay - here is the scripture: "EVERYMAN has been given A MEASURE OF FAITH"."

That wouldn't be classed as a "genetic" propensity

24 posted on 12/13/2004 10:41:50 AM PST by Matchett-PI (All DemocRATS are either religious moral relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
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To: AntiGuv; fish hawk

Here's a link to the thread about the lack of evidence for a "gay" gene, a summary put together by an alert freeper:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1300464/posts


25 posted on 12/13/2004 10:42:10 AM PST by little jeremiah (What would happen if everyone decided their own "right and wrong"?)
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To: fish hawk

"Do any of you know for sure if it has been proved whether there is a gay gene or not. I don't believe it but could be wrong." - fish hawk

The same guy (Dr. Dean Hammer) who is the subject of this thread, is also the subject of this one:

Science Shows That Homosexuals Are Not "Born That Way."
December 13, 2004
Posted on 12/13/2004 12:51:59 PM EST by Laissez-faire capitalist
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1300464/posts

1.)Dr. Dean Hamer who failed to find a "gay gene":
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26 posted on 12/13/2004 10:45:55 AM PST by Matchett-PI (All DemocRATS are either religious moral relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
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To: little jeremiah

Thanks for the link. Merry Christmas and God bless.


27 posted on 12/13/2004 10:46:47 AM PST by fish hawk
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To: Matchett-PI
...they are already pre-programmed to be that way...

There is a considerable amount of truth to this. While we're still in the womb, the basic course of our lives is already shaped by who we're born to and what genes they impart to us. Here are just some of the things that, well before birth, will shape your life and the range of life choices open to you:

To a considerable degree, we are predestined to be the people we become.

28 posted on 12/13/2004 10:47:50 AM PST by Wolfstar (Counting down the days to when the new White House puppy arrives.)
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To: little jeremiah

Thanks for that link. Very interesting. I see that both Dean Hamer and Simon Levay have recanted the characterization of their research that led to the widespread belief in a "gay gene" (which is rather different from a gay 'influence' or whatever - a much more subjective and circumstantial aspect of behavioral genetics).


29 posted on 12/13/2004 10:48:20 AM PST by AntiGuv ()
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To: cvq3842

What this guy is talking about in this book is human spirituality, not worship. Our spirit, soul, or whatever you want to call it is made in Gods image. (suprise! it's not our bodies which are created in Gods image) This is our "God" gene. It gives us our sense of right and wrong. Otherwize we would be animals and have no concience, which the Godless left wants to be.


30 posted on 12/13/2004 10:51:21 AM PST by Nuzcruizer
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To: Matchett-PI
Are humans programmed to worship? Author says people have genetic propensity toward religious belief

Take religion out of public life, and people fill it with things like Environmental activisim, which certianly calls for lots of faith.

This is why communists typically attack religion. They see it as "competition".

The problem with progressives actively seeking to destroy Western style Christianity is that they may succede to some extent, but they can't guarantee what it will be replaced with. They're playing with fire, and they have no idea how it will come back to bite them. (Islamism perhaps?)

31 posted on 12/13/2004 10:53:05 AM PST by narby
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To: little jeremiah

A bottomless hole in one's heart can only be filled by that which is infinite.


32 posted on 12/13/2004 10:55:38 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Wolfstar

See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1300469/posts?page=7#7


33 posted on 12/13/2004 10:56:46 AM PST by Matchett-PI (All DemocRATS are either religious moral relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
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To: narby

See: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1300469/posts?page=7#7


34 posted on 12/13/2004 10:57:30 AM PST by Matchett-PI (All DemocRATS are either religious moral relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
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To: Matchett-PI
NO..in fact quite the opposite

The "nature" of man is EVIL the Word aka Jesus Christ is quite clear on this..

It is our nature to do evil and plan evil non stop...it's what we do....we were re programed by at the Garden when Eve and then Adam fell into sin...and we lost our divine nature and put on a robe of selfish fleshly desire..

Only Divine intervention can cause us to do what is right, and good and pure....

The lie that man is good...is a secular humanist - Marxist lie...designed to trick mankind into worshiping the self as god...and to seek human solutions to all problems (especially the ones man created in the first place)

Man is programed to avoid worship...it is discipline to worship God....as

He is the author and finisher of our faith....not us...lest any man should boast...

imo
35 posted on 12/13/2004 11:06:48 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: AntiGuv; Dr. Eckleburg; OrthodoxPresbyterian; thePilgrim; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; ..
Hard-wiring sure doesn't do much for the doctrine of free will..

Members of the GRPL have been saying that for over a year!


36 posted on 12/13/2004 11:06:50 AM PST by Gamecock (The GRPL: Boldly celebrating a year of defending Reformed doctrine on FR!)
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To: Gamecock
"Thou madest us for Thyself, and our hearts are not at rest until they find repose in Thee." - The Confessions of St. Augustine
37 posted on 12/13/2004 11:08:12 AM PST by jude24 (sola gratia)
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To: Matchett-PI

Matchett, to acknowledge how much of our lives is shaped before we're born by both "nature" and "nurture" is simply common sense. Doing so in no way denies the existence of God or the extent to which we are responsible for being good custodians of the life given to us. However, we ARE given a particular type of life to lead. We are, so to speak, directed or channeled onto a particular life path. Once we're on that path, however, what we make of it is up to us. Why God chose to create us in this way, I cannot say. But He clearly did.


38 posted on 12/13/2004 11:13:49 AM PST by Wolfstar (Counting down the days to when the new White House puppy arrives.)
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To: narby
Re # 31..Take religion out of public life...

Most reasonable people believe what they like and do not try to convert, convince, intimidate, cajole or otherwise insist that others must agree with them.

Unreasonable people insist other must do as they do.Muslims seem to be a perfect example of unreasonable people, many of whom have demonstrated that they will kill those who do not agree with their interpretation of God.

Pathetic.

39 posted on 12/13/2004 11:15:36 AM PST by squirt-gun
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To: Wolfstar

The Left has an agenda and this guy Hamer is busily engaged in advancing it. You've missed the whole point.

I don't intend to be dragged into a different subject.


40 posted on 12/13/2004 11:21:42 AM PST by Matchett-PI (All DemocRATS are either religious moral relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
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To: joesnuffy

See #40.


41 posted on 12/13/2004 11:22:29 AM PST by Matchett-PI (All DemocRATS are either religious moral relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
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To: Matchett-PI
The Left has an agenda and this guy Hamer is busily engaged in advancing it. You've missed the whole point.

Actually, I haven't missed the point, but merely partially agreed with the article. And I don't intend to drag you into anything. Of course the Left has an agenda! It's had one ever since Marx published his "Communist Manifesto." I am inalterably opposed to the Left and its agenda. However, I am also capable of acknowledging the obvious regarding the role that genetics (nature) and those to whom we're born (nurture) play in shaping our lives.

42 posted on 12/13/2004 11:26:26 AM PST by Wolfstar (Counting down the days to when the new White House puppy arrives.)
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To: Wolfstar

Here is a good explanation of our spiritual selves, And why God created us the way he did. It's too long to post here, and chopping it up doesn't do it justice.

http://www.goodnewschristianministry.org/clockchapter2.htm


43 posted on 12/13/2004 11:27:36 AM PST by Nuzcruizer
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To: Matchett-PI

Everything we do, we do by choice.


44 posted on 12/13/2004 11:28:12 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Nuzcruizer

Thanks. I'll definitely read it.


45 posted on 12/13/2004 11:29:24 AM PST by Wolfstar (Counting down the days to when the new White House puppy arrives.)
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To: Matchett-PI
From a speech by Michael Crichton:
I studied anthropology in college, and one of the things I learned was that certain human social structures always reappear. They can't be eliminated from society. One of those structures is religion. Today it is said we live in a secular society in which many people---the best people, the most enlightened people---do not believe in any religion. But I think that you cannot eliminate religion from the psyche of mankind. If you suppress it in one form, it merely re-emerges in another form. You can not believe in God, but you still have to believe in something that gives meaning to your life, and shapes your sense of the world. Such a belief is religious.

Today, one of the most powerful religions in the Western World is environmentalism. Environmentalism seems to be the religion of choice for urban atheists. Why do I say it's a religion? Well, just look at the beliefs. If you look carefully, you see that environmentalism is in fact a perfect 21st century remapping of traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs and myths.

There's an initial Eden, a paradise, a state of grace and unity with nature, there's a fall from grace into a state of pollution as a result of eating from the tree of knowledge, and as a result of our actions there is a judgment day coming for us all. We are all energy sinners, doomed to die, unless we seek salvation, which is now called sustainability. Sustainability is salvation in the church of the environment. Just as organic food is its communion, that pesticide-free wafer that the right people with the right beliefs, imbibe.

ML/NJ
46 posted on 12/13/2004 11:30:49 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: squirt-gun

the muslim "god" isn't the same as the Jewish-Christian God. Our press, dumb as ever, keeps making the mistake of thinking it is.
The Mulim god, who's NAME is "Allah" (no, Allah does not mean god in Arabic, ilhah does) is the complete opposite of the one true God, in fact it's His arch enemy. Muslims are tricked into believing that their Allah is the true God. If you read how islam began, you'd have no doubt as to who it really is. Here is a good read:
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/toc.html


49 posted on 12/13/2004 11:39:33 AM PST by Nuzcruizer
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To: Nuzcruizer

Good point.

The left seems to fear people taking actions "in God's name. What I fear about the left is that they are basically saying there ARE no rules, other than what they think up and agree on.

Scary.


50 posted on 12/13/2004 11:39:48 AM PST by cvq3842
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