Skip to comments.Are humans programmed to worship? (The article Rush is looking for?)
Posted on 12/13/2004 10:00:21 AM PST by Matchett-PI
TALKING: Author and behavioral geneticist Dean Hamer talks at his home in Washington. (Washington Post photo by Juana Arias)
Are humans programmed to worship? Author says people have genetic propensity toward religious belief
By Bill Broadway The Washington Post
WASHINGTON -- Dean Hamer has received much criticism for his new book, "The God Gene: How Faith is Hardwired Into Our Genes."
(Excerpt) Read more at hollandsentinel.com ...
The truth is that everyone has a God-shaped hole in their hearts.
That's why when we try to fill it with things that aren't God, it's never filled.
Dean Hamer's impugned decade-long attempt to fabricate a "gay gene" doesn't inspire much confidence in his latest line of work....
Yes, and when we fill it with God, even the most painful events in life become reason to praise Him and rejoice in His goodness.
Exactly. Rush is talking about this right now. Of course the bottom line agenda is that nobody can be "blamed" for what they do or don't do since they are already pre-programmed to be that way, and they "can't help it".
Rush: "It's tatamount to taking away a value-system."
6. Q. Why did God make you?
A. God made me to know Him, to love Him, and to serve Him in this world, and to be happy with Him for ever in heaven.
Of course we're wired for religion...God made us that way.
Hard-wiring sure doesn't do much for the doctrine of free will..
Whatever the case, if anyone thinks that Dr. Hamer's work is designed to support or advance Christianity, then they don't know much about Hamer's background.
PS. I have no problem with the idea in the abstract. I have a problem with bad science, which is Hamer's middle name IMHO.
I never knew I was programmed to worship the article that Rush was looking for.....
1 The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
2 Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge.
3 There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard.
4 Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.
People just don't want to even consider that they are a beautiful accident that will not go on forever.
I couldn't pass this up. To a degree you are correct, but those who come to Christ seeking to fulfill that "hole" is seeking a lifestyle change.
Here is what I mean: The message of the Gospel has become watered down over the past century. Churches started teaching that turning to Christ would "fill" the hole in our heart. They started preaching of the fruits of the spirit, rather than convicting people of their sins.
One who comes to Christ for a life style change at best will become a back slider. Why? Because when they are confronted by difficulties (or persecution as Christ tells us will happen to believers), then they think "hey, where is the Love, joy, peace, etc that I was supposed to encounter by becoming a Christian?" As their life didn't get better, they will fall back into their old habits.
Jesus warned us of Hell. He showed us that no one could keep the law, in deed or in our hearts. That we are all guilty of sinning against our heavenly father and deserve eternity in Hell.
The real message of the gospel is that WE did the crime, and Jesus paid the fine. Because of his sacrifice, we are offered the free gift of grace, pardoned from Hell. People who turn to Christ for a lifestyle change will wither under persecution. Those who have come to the Jesus to repent of their sins will not wilt under persecution, but have the fruits of the spirit (love, joy, peace, etc) because they know that the persecution they face here is temporary.
At least one gene, which goes by the name VMAT2, controls the flow to the brain of chemicals that play a key role in emotions and consciousness. This is the "God gene" of the book's title, and Hamer acknowledges that it's a misnomer. There probably are dozens or hundreds more genes, yet to be identified, involved in the universal propensity for transcendence, he said.
In other words, his title is deceptive. All Hamer is talking about are the various genes implicated in emotional responses that happen to coincide with spirituality. It's like tracking down foremost gene involved in dopamine or seratonin and calling it a "popsicle gene" (because eating popsicles makes most people happy, and those are the main chemicals involved in happiness).
It's a misleading characterization of the science and it's typical of Hamer's work..
I am cautious as a few years ago a "scientist" wrote that there was a gene but several months later it turned out that the guy was gay himself and the article was bogus.
I know for sure that a "gay gene" has not been proven to exist, and that if anything the current state of research strongly points against it in males at least.
There is strong evidence for the influence of prenatal hormones in ultimate sexuality, but that has nothing to do with a "gay gene"..
Okay - here is the scripture: "EVERYMAN has been given A MEASURE OF FAITH".
Why does everyman need "a measure of faith" - in order to believe Jesus is the Son of GOD, our Savior.
But .. in Deut. 28-29, GOD clearly says, "I've set before you blessing and cursing, NOW YOU CHOOSE".
That's for sure. The temptation to be "God" has always been irresistable. [Gen.3:5]
I could not agree more. Been thinking about this very point lately.
The more we feel grateful to God, on a daily or minute by minute basis, the happier we are in any circumstances.
Thank you. Since I posted I have found another thread on FR that is all about this subject. According to it there is no proof of a gay gene. Aloha
But this "scientist" says that only SOME people have this genetic claptrap thing. Some do, some don't. IOW, it's just some quirk of biology that makes some mindless robots believe in "god" and other mindless robots NOT believe in "god".
It's the same one that makes some people like Streisand & Minelli...
Very interesting analysis. Thanks.
As far as the "gay gene," certain behaviors (such as alcoholism, obesity and homosexuality) MAY have a genetic component. But it's not like eye color or height. It's a behavior. where the behavior has negative health effects, society generally discourages it.
That wouldn't be classed as a "genetic" propensity
Here's a link to the thread about the lack of evidence for a "gay" gene, a summary put together by an alert freeper:
"Do any of you know for sure if it has been proved whether there is a gay gene or not. I don't believe it but could be wrong." - fish hawk
The same guy (Dr. Dean Hammer) who is the subject of this thread, is also the subject of this one:
Science Shows That Homosexuals Are Not "Born That Way."
December 13, 2004
Posted on 12/13/2004 12:51:59 PM EST by Laissez-faire capitalist
1.)Dr. Dean Hamer who failed to find a "gay gene":
Thanks for the link. Merry Christmas and God bless.
There is a considerable amount of truth to this. While we're still in the womb, the basic course of our lives is already shaped by who we're born to and what genes they impart to us. Here are just some of the things that, well before birth, will shape your life and the range of life choices open to you:
To a considerable degree, we are predestined to be the people we become.
Thanks for that link. Very interesting. I see that both Dean Hamer and Simon Levay have recanted the characterization of their research that led to the widespread belief in a "gay gene" (which is rather different from a gay 'influence' or whatever - a much more subjective and circumstantial aspect of behavioral genetics).
What this guy is talking about in this book is human spirituality, not worship. Our spirit, soul, or whatever you want to call it is made in Gods image. (suprise! it's not our bodies which are created in Gods image) This is our "God" gene. It gives us our sense of right and wrong. Otherwize we would be animals and have no concience, which the Godless left wants to be.
Take religion out of public life, and people fill it with things like Environmental activisim, which certianly calls for lots of faith.
This is why communists typically attack religion. They see it as "competition".
The problem with progressives actively seeking to destroy Western style Christianity is that they may succede to some extent, but they can't guarantee what it will be replaced with. They're playing with fire, and they have no idea how it will come back to bite them. (Islamism perhaps?)
A bottomless hole in one's heart can only be filled by that which is infinite.
Members of the GRPL have been saying that for over a year!
Matchett, to acknowledge how much of our lives is shaped before we're born by both "nature" and "nurture" is simply common sense. Doing so in no way denies the existence of God or the extent to which we are responsible for being good custodians of the life given to us. However, we ARE given a particular type of life to lead. We are, so to speak, directed or channeled onto a particular life path. Once we're on that path, however, what we make of it is up to us. Why God chose to create us in this way, I cannot say. But He clearly did.
Most reasonable people believe what they like and do not try to convert, convince, intimidate, cajole or otherwise insist that others must agree with them.
Unreasonable people insist other must do as they do.Muslims seem to be a perfect example of unreasonable people, many of whom have demonstrated that they will kill those who do not agree with their interpretation of God.
The Left has an agenda and this guy Hamer is busily engaged in advancing it. You've missed the whole point.
I don't intend to be dragged into a different subject.
Actually, I haven't missed the point, but merely partially agreed with the article. And I don't intend to drag you into anything. Of course the Left has an agenda! It's had one ever since Marx published his "Communist Manifesto." I am inalterably opposed to the Left and its agenda. However, I am also capable of acknowledging the obvious regarding the role that genetics (nature) and those to whom we're born (nurture) play in shaping our lives.
Here is a good explanation of our spiritual selves, And why God created us the way he did. It's too long to post here, and chopping it up doesn't do it justice.
Everything we do, we do by choice.
Thanks. I'll definitely read it.
I studied anthropology in college, and one of the things I learned was that certain human social structures always reappear. They can't be eliminated from society. One of those structures is religion. Today it is said we live in a secular society in which many people---the best people, the most enlightened people---do not believe in any religion. But I think that you cannot eliminate religion from the psyche of mankind. If you suppress it in one form, it merely re-emerges in another form. You can not believe in God, but you still have to believe in something that gives meaning to your life, and shapes your sense of the world. Such a belief is religious.ML/NJ
Today, one of the most powerful religions in the Western World is environmentalism. Environmentalism seems to be the religion of choice for urban atheists. Why do I say it's a religion? Well, just look at the beliefs. If you look carefully, you see that environmentalism is in fact a perfect 21st century remapping of traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs and myths.
There's an initial Eden, a paradise, a state of grace and unity with nature, there's a fall from grace into a state of pollution as a result of eating from the tree of knowledge, and as a result of our actions there is a judgment day coming for us all. We are all energy sinners, doomed to die, unless we seek salvation, which is now called sustainability. Sustainability is salvation in the church of the environment. Just as organic food is its communion, that pesticide-free wafer that the right people with the right beliefs, imbibe.
the muslim "god" isn't the same as the Jewish-Christian God. Our press, dumb as ever, keeps making the mistake of thinking it is.
The Mulim god, who's NAME is "Allah" (no, Allah does not mean god in Arabic, ilhah does) is the complete opposite of the one true God, in fact it's His arch enemy. Muslims are tricked into believing that their Allah is the true God. If you read how islam began, you'd have no doubt as to who it really is. Here is a good read:
The left seems to fear people taking actions "in God's name. What I fear about the left is that they are basically saying there ARE no rules, other than what they think up and agree on.