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To: wideawake
You'll notice that he also takes the Aristotle/Spinoza dodge.

Aristotle believed that the world always existed and the Unmoved Mover (i.e. God) always existed and that the UM did nothing much other than organize the preexisting world.

Spinoza believed that the world always existed and that the world and everything in it was God (thoroughgoing pantheism), eliminating Aristotle's distinction.

Both of these theologies dodge the obvious question: where does the world come from if God was not its author?

Your last question seems to ignore the points you made earlier about the world having always existed. If the world (i.e., physical being of some sort) has always existed, the question, 'Where does the world come from?', is already answered.

20 posted on 12/13/2004 2:45:32 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored
Aristotle recognized the eternity of the world as a question unresolvable by scientific observation, not as a satisfying answer to the question of the world's existence.

The existence of a world that has no internal principle or constituent power that explains its own existence is problematic.

24 posted on 12/13/2004 2:49:34 PM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: snarks_when_bored
Your last question seems to ignore the points you made earlier about the world having always existed. If the world (i.e., physical being of some sort) has always existed, the question, 'Where does the world come from?', is already answered.

Good point. If it has always existed, then it was never created, and there is no creator.

49 posted on 12/13/2004 4:43:28 PM PST by beavus
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