Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

GOP Has Lock on South, and Democrats Can't Find Key
LA Times ^ | December 15, 2004 | Ronald Brownstein

Posted on 12/15/2004 1:26:56 AM PST by RWR8189

WASHINGTON — The generation-long political retreat of Democrats across the South is disintegrating into a rout.

President Bush dominated the South so completely in last month's presidential election that he carried nearly 85% of all the counties across the region — and more than 90% of counties where whites are a majority of the population, according to a Times analysis of election results and census data.

The Times' analysis, which provides the most detailed picture yet of the vote in Southern communities, shows that Bush's victory was even more comprehensive than his sweep of the region's 13 states would suggest.

His overwhelming performance left Sen. John F. Kerry clinging to a few scattered islands of support in a region that until the 1960s provided the foundation of the Democratic coalition in presidential politics. Kerry won fewer Southern counties than any Democratic nominee since the Depression except Walter F. Mondale in 1984 and George S. McGovern in 1972, according to data assembled by The Times and Polidata, a firm that specializes in political statistics.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: brownstein; bush43; bushcountry; bushvictory; deepsouth; kerry; south; southernvote

1 posted on 12/15/2004 1:26:56 AM PST by RWR8189
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: RWR8189

I think what the Dems need to do is keep pounding the fact that the south is just a bunch of ignorant bigotted rednecks....


2 posted on 12/15/2004 1:29:45 AM PST by Always Right
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RWR8189

Next they'll tell us that the sun will come up in the morning, water is wet, and the mystery of who is buried in Grant's Tomb. Duh!


3 posted on 12/15/2004 1:31:23 AM PST by The Loan Arranger (The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Always Right

Try www. (f-word) thesouth.com; it's a strategy that's really endearing. I've pointed out this website to all of my friends and neighbors.


4 posted on 12/15/2004 1:32:02 AM PST by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: RWR8189
My $.02 is that the Republicans have a lock on the South because they are perceived as being slightly less damaging to the country than the Democrats.
5 posted on 12/15/2004 1:36:27 AM PST by spodefly (I've posted nothing but BTTT over 1000 times!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Comment #6 Removed by Moderator

To: RWR8189

BUMP


7 posted on 12/15/2004 1:38:51 AM PST by nickcarraway
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: gidfree10

8 posted on 12/15/2004 1:39:05 AM PST by spodefly (I've posted nothing but BTTT over 1000 times!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: RWR8189
Forty years later, under a Southern Republican president, the South has become an electoral fortress for the GOP.

DNC-supporter LA Times demonstrates its own cluelessness: Bush is not Southern, he's a Texan. Big ol' difference there, son.

9 posted on 12/15/2004 1:40:46 AM PST by macbee ("Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." - Napoleon Bonaparte)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RWR8189

Its not peas and collared greens in the South anymore. That picture's a lang tyme out o'date. Yankees don't quite git it.


10 posted on 12/15/2004 1:48:39 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: macbee

Texans son, are both Southern and Western.


11 posted on 12/15/2004 1:49:34 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: spodefly
My $.02 is that the Republicans have a lock on the South because they are perceived as being slightly less damaging to the country than the Democrats.

If the onslaught of Criminal Invaders (recently referred to as Guest Workers) continues, that sense of "less damaging" will be short term memory. What say you, Jorge? Blackbird.

12 posted on 12/15/2004 2:09:07 AM PST by BlackbirdSST
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: RWR8189

The key: Illegal Immigration.


13 posted on 12/15/2004 2:19:40 AM PST by CTpatriot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop

You are so right! I was born a Texan, raised in So. Calif. and now live in Tenn. I have had it all.


14 posted on 12/15/2004 2:46:19 AM PST by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: CTpatriot

I think HIllary has figured this out.......http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1289338/posts


15 posted on 12/15/2004 4:03:57 AM PST by mo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Always Right
"I think what the Dems need to do is keep pounding the fact that the south is just a bunch of ignorant, bigotted inbred rednecks..."
16 posted on 12/15/2004 4:08:33 AM PST by Rebelbase (Who is General Chat?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: RWR8189
You could almost feel sorry for these Democrat "spokespersons" at the LATimes, weeping in their cappucino and hoping against hope for hope.

Almost...? Nahhhh. They deserve whatever they get.

If they think a Democrat wipeout's underway now, wait'll the Republicans consolidate their support in the Black and Hispanic enclaves, where people are as disgusted with the Democrats' (nonexistent) "moral values", anti-Americanism, Marxism, and self-serving propaganda as the rest of the population is!

MESSAGE TO BROWNSTEIN: It's worse than you think!

17 posted on 12/15/2004 4:19:26 AM PST by Savage Beast (This is the choice: confrontation or capitulation. Appeasement is capitulation.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RWR8189

Hummmm....Kerry won fewer Southern votes than anyone since Mondale and McGovern. Could it be because the South won't vote for NORTHERN LIBERALS??? And they actually pay Brownstein for these non-stories...amazing!


18 posted on 12/15/2004 4:23:40 AM PST by kittymyrib
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RWR8189

Describing a train wreck to an eye witness.


19 posted on 12/15/2004 4:38:20 AM PST by jmaroneps37 ( Frist/ Blackwell in 2008 for a landslide: you saw it here first.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SittinYonder

I love it how those "oh so brave" libbers sign their names to their literary efforts. One would think Michael Moore would at least put his name to his writing . . . since all he wants is attention.


20 posted on 12/15/2004 5:22:12 AM PST by geedee (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: RWR8189

The Midwest and Mid Atlantic States are also well on there way to being GOP locks as a long overdue re-alignments there are well underway. It will take a few more cycles, but provided the Dems keep running as the idea that American's want to live in a secular socialist democracy, and that Republicans keep running good candidates, Dems are going to be left with the left coast and a shrinking north east.


21 posted on 12/15/2004 5:26:42 AM PST by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Always Right
"I think what the Dems need to do is keep pounding the fact that the south is just a bunch of ignorant bigotted rednecks...."

Yes; it's been working so well for them. Do I really need to add a sarcasm tag?

22 posted on 12/15/2004 5:32:23 AM PST by sweetliberty (Just because we CAN do something, doesn't mean we should.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

Comment #23 Removed by Moderator

To: FrankWild
"Some on Free Republic say the same things about white southerners that the Democrats do."

Yep; and some of us southerners encourage it so more yankees don't decide they want to live in the south.

24 posted on 12/15/2004 5:46:09 AM PST by sweetliberty (Just because we CAN do something, doesn't mean we should.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: RWR8189
This is the final pieces of Gingrich's plan falling into place.

When the Congress went GOP in '94, it became inevitable. The repulsiveness of the northeastern liberal Democrat establishment merely accelerated what would have happened eventually.

The South is a bit stubborn politically. Now that they've turned on the Dims, it'll be very hard to get them back. We're looking at possibly another 40 years of GOP dominance in the South.
25 posted on 12/15/2004 6:03:24 AM PST by George W. Bush
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Always Right
I think what the Dems need to do is keep pounding the fact that the south is just a bunch of ignorant bigotted rednecks....

With the comments about the South voting republican because of a backlash against LBJ and the civil rights laws?? .. I think this article attempted to do that

26 posted on 12/15/2004 6:07:49 AM PST by Mo1 (Should be called Oil for Fraud and not Oil for Food)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: jmaroneps37

Ohio freeper? I am. Like the idea but would really love to have Blackwell as gov first.


27 posted on 12/15/2004 6:15:26 AM PST by FreedomNotSafety
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: RWR8189
The question: Can Democrats come up with a new biracial coalition?"

As long as Democrats view the people in terms of "race" and "coalitions" and "minorities," they are doomed to nominate the ultralibs who cannot win the presidency.

28 posted on 12/15/2004 6:35:07 AM PST by catpuppy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Comment #29 Removed by Moderator

To: RWR8189

The best part is, we ain't seen nothing yet. We win overwhelmingly in the South even though we get around 10% of the black vote. Once black conservative Republicans can break through in the region (Herman Cain came close in the GOP Senate primary in Georgia, and several House candidates came close as well), it will provide us with better spokesmen in order to convince black conservatives and moderates that the Democrat Party does not stand for their values. And once we get 30% of the black vote, it will make it mathematically impossible for the Democrats to win statewide in any state in the South, and would give us all but a handful of black-majority and black-plurality congressional districts (and we could even win in some black-majority and black-plurality districts).


30 posted on 12/15/2004 6:56:54 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Coop; KQQL; BlackRazor

Something some of you may find interesting.... I can't remember who all was into the polling data, etc during the campaign.

22 of the 26 Senators from the Southern State are now republican.


31 posted on 12/15/2004 7:17:09 AM PST by deport
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: deport
Map


Map

Square miles of
counties won
Bush 2.54 million
Kerry 592,000
Population (2003) of
counties won
Bush 159,2 million
Kerry 130.9 million
Counties won by less than 5 percentage points
Bush 164
Kerry 146
Note: County election data is not reported for Alaska,

Source: the Associated Press, ESRI Inc. USATODAY analysis by Paul Overberg.

32 posted on 12/15/2004 7:26:32 AM PST by deport
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: SittinYonder
The domain is registered to "Thomas Paine" in Madison Wisconsin. Yeah, these cowardly Blue staters do not wish to put their real names on the domain registry.

Try doing a whois search for that domain name. You can do a whois search from www.whois.net

33 posted on 12/15/2004 10:07:12 AM PST by lormand (Yankee Go Home!...but please take me with you)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: deport

KQQL has been banned since September or so...


34 posted on 12/15/2004 10:52:40 AM PST by RWR8189 (Its Morning in America Again!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop
Texans son, are both Southern and Western.

The writer used the term "Southern" and that's what I take issue with. While "Southern" would be a label which a native of Virginia or Alabama would certainly be comfortable with, my experience of Texans is that even those in the southeast (around, say, Beaumont or Port Arthur) would not accept that designation. Frankly, most Texans seem to consider themselves simply as "Texans" and their culture seems far more Southwestern (with its strong Hispanic influences) than Southern.

Any real honest-to-goodness Lone Star Staters should feel free to jump on in here and set me straight.

35 posted on 12/15/2004 1:18:34 PM PST by macbee ("Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." - Napoleon Bonaparte)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: All
How should I reply to the Dems who say that regarding the southern racist Democrats of the 1960's, they switched to the Republican party?
36 posted on 12/15/2004 2:09:14 PM PST by mojojockey
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: mojojockey

A few switched but the majority stayed.

Al Gores dad is one, Fritz Hollings and Byrd are 2 others.


37 posted on 12/15/2004 2:53:52 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Free the Fallujah one)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: TASMANIANRED

Also William Fulbright Clinton's mentor. All big Dems.


38 posted on 12/15/2004 2:54:26 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Free the Fallujah one)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: mo

You are right.... If the so-called Republican candidate or party in '08 has no answer to illegal aliens, then the so-called Democrat candidate and party will win... big time. End of story.


39 posted on 12/15/2004 4:23:38 PM PST by CTpatriot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson