Posted on 12/15/2004 11:24:22 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
A recall election is now set for an Estes Park, Colo., trustee who refuses to stand up and recite the Pledge of Allegiance during the Town Board meetings.
"I have not been standing for the Pledge of Allegiance due to a conflict I have with the wording of the pledge, specifically the words 'under God,'" Councilman David Habecker said.
Habecker said it's a violation of church and state to include the words in the pledge and for that reason, he won't stand.
The board began reciting the pledge before meetings earlier this year at the suggestion of Trustee Lori Jeffrey-Clark. She suggested it as a way to show respect for the country during wartime.
Jeffrey-Clark said Habecker is expressing his personal views, not representing townspeople, when he sits down.
Habecker, who's served on the Town Board for 12 years, said he doesn't oppose the meaning of the pledge, and considers himself a patriot.
But some other council members and residents are upset about his actions and have enough signatures to hold a recall election. That recall election will occur Tuesday, Feb. 15.
All residents will vote on whether to recall David Habecker and a choice for his replacement in the event the recall passes. The recall is expected to cost a few thousand dollars.
"I'm sad for the community, that there is that much intolerance in our community. But if the people want to have a voice in what's going on, this is their way of doing it. And I will respect whatever the wishes of the community are," Habecker said.
Estes Park, which has about 5,500 residents, is the eastern gateway to Rocky Mountain National Park about 60 miles northwest of Denver.
Your post was dumb because you assumed that atheists have no moral code and do not see anything wrong with comitting murder.
I doubt he even knows what that word means.
He is representing the people who elected him.
I didn't dismiss everything as stupid.
Only the things you said.
What is tiresome is the assertion by some that Christianity is the only path to God. It is similarly tiresome to hear from radical Zionists that opposing Israeli government actions is anti-Semitic, and then asserting that any such criticism from a Jew represents the view of a self-hating Jew.
This nonsense has been going on around here and elsewhere for far too long and I'm sick of having to wade through such pious unadulterated crap.
Enough is enough.
He's not worthy to hold office in America. He has "reservations" about what we stand for.
He does not understand that his liberty flows from his creator...."one nation under God with liberty and justice for all"
A moral code may be descended from religious moral codes, but that does not mean an atheist subscribes to that religion.
There are many aspects of the Christian moral code, for example, that are universal. No murder, no stealing etc. Some aspects of the Christian moral code are not universal and are purely religious in nature (no golden idols etc.)
Man has no interest in preserving other men unless they can be used to insure his existence.
Of course, but a smart man, whether religious or atheist, realizes that it is in his best interests to exist as part of a greater group.
Well....he's mentioning it now and has to run for reelection. Again, would you rather he lied (as most politicians do) and act the part of hypocrite?
So he should lie (as most politicians with his views do) so as to better "represent" his district?
i never said that christianity was the only path to God. however it is percieved by many to be the main path, and therefore one that must be stamped out at all costs.
the elites have been waging war against God in general and Christianity in particular for decades and THAT is tiresome.
the fact that anybody equates my defence of God and Christianity with "Christianity is the only path..." shows the effect of social programming on that person.
We have been barraged with A + B = C for so many years that we unconciously think the way they have programmed us to think.
Be aware so you may take appropriate action against being led "down the garden path"
He understands, and this isn't anything to be recalled over. Let the imbeciles who voted for him suffer with him, next time they might be more careful who they elect. So this was stupid.
He is supposed to be representing everyone of us his constituents.
You? He is your councilman? What if he represented someone who hated the pledge? Then it would be OK. Just one mind you, since he represents everyone. Another stupid statement.
By not reciting the Pledge during in a public forum is tantamount to dereliction of duty.
LOL, goofy as all the rest.
Just another politician that see himself as larger than the office they hold.
LOL, you are a funny guy. You don't know anything about the guy except what's in the article.
He was elected to serve the public, not to use his office as tool to promote his personal beliefs.
So, if he was in Germany in 1939, he would be wrong to refuse to say "Seig Heil"? (And don't get even goofier by saying I'm comparing the pledge to that)
He should be hanged.
LOL, a new high!!!
He doesn't believe in God, so we should be indifferent as to the morality of his existence.
Welcome to the Taliban and Ossama Bin Laden.
Like I said, goofiest post of the day award.
I have no idea what you mean by this.
France, Germany, Spain, and Norway are now seeing Islam on the march, swarming the East and the West. They are half-way under the whip already and they do not even see it.
Keep America free; keep your liberty; pledge allegiance to the Republic under God.
Uhhhh...yep! And I'd do it again I would!
'Temerity' is my middle name.
Actually, it's Anthony but I'm thinking of changing it. =;^)
Here's an interesting mental exercise: What do you and others think will be the next major liberal whine issues to come along? They constantly have to have SOMETHING to bitch about or they're miserable. If you'll think about it, twenty years ago, no one, not even hardcore liberals, griped about the pledge, or felt a burning desire to see homo marriages, or had a problem with MERRY CHRISTMAS, or any of a multitude of other examples.
Ever wonder what made each of these issues become so passionately important all at once? And what will be their whine issues in five years, ten years?
MM
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