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LAPD Plan to Curb Flashlight Beatings
Yahoo news ^ | 12/15/2004 | Unknown

Posted on 12/15/2004 12:25:58 PM PST by Lazamataz

LOS ANGELES - The city's police commission unveiled a plan Tuesday aimed at discouraging officers from using flashlights as weapons, except in emergencies.

The proposal comes months after a telvised beating by Officer John Hatfield showed him striking a motorist 11 times following a foot chase. The June 23 incident sparked widespread objection to the use of flashlights as weapons.

"Officers don't mind being held accountable as long as they have a clear policy to follow, and that's what we're providing here," said Alan Skobin, vice president of the police commission.

The proposed policy, to be considered Jan. 11, stops short of the near-total bans on practice enacted in other large cities. It states that flashlights should only be used for light and should only be used as a weapon in very unusual circumstances.

The proposal seems to permit officers to use flashlights to stop violent suspects, said Bob Baker, president of the Police Protective League, the Los Angeles Police Department officers' union.

"We support policies that, at the end of the watch, mean we are going home safe," Baker said.

Ricardo Garcia, criminal justice director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California, said the proposal was a good start.

"But I'd like to see them move away from even this permissive a use of flashlight," Garcia said. "On the positive side, at least this will give officers some training on how if they're going to strike with a flashlight to do it. Before this, they could pretty much do anything."

At the time of the Miller incident, the LAPD had no formal policy on proper use of a flashlight to subdue a suspect.

After the beating, Chief William J. Bratton said he would forbid the use of heavy metal flashlights like the one used by Hatfield. Bratton said the department would develop small, lightweight rubber flashlights, which it is still in the process of doing.

The new proposal would require a written explanation and critical review whenever a flashlight is used as a weapon.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: beating; donutwatch; flashlight; govwatch; lapd; rodneyking
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This is absolutely the single funniest headline I have read all day.
1 posted on 12/15/2004 12:25:58 PM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Sir Gawain; Wolfie; Cap'n Crunch; Southack; Travis McGee; Squantos

Ping for finally addressing the Flashlight Beating issue.


2 posted on 12/15/2004 12:28:30 PM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: Lazamataz

nerf flashlights.

Problem solved!


3 posted on 12/15/2004 12:28:52 PM PST by flashbunny (Every thought that enters my head requires its own vanity thread.)
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To: mhking; Xenalyte

Just.... damn.


4 posted on 12/15/2004 12:29:17 PM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: flashbunny; Conspiracy Guy
nerf flashlights.

Brilliance!

5 posted on 12/15/2004 12:29:54 PM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: Lazamataz
Yeah! What do we do now when our flashlights get out of control or wont obey the overlords? Timeouts? /sarcasm
6 posted on 12/15/2004 12:29:56 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Never underestimate the power of a cacophony of Cowbells played in unison...It shocks the mind.)
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To: Lazamataz

anybody know a good patent lawyer???

Next on deck: nerf batons.


7 posted on 12/15/2004 12:30:59 PM PST by flashbunny (Every thought that enters my head requires its own vanity thread.)
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To: Lazamataz

this is just so defense attorneys can't say "so you beat my poor, defenseless client with a steel pipe officer?"

rather than "beat them with an expandable ,steel baton called an ASP."


8 posted on 12/15/2004 12:31:56 PM PST by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the Piece: Hope IS on the way...)
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To: flashbunny
Next on deck: nerf batons

Nerf bullets.

That way, Joyclyn Elders will be happy.

9 posted on 12/15/2004 12:32:02 PM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: flashbunny

10 posted on 12/15/2004 12:32:47 PM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Lazamataz
The proposal comes months after a telvised beating by Officer John Hatfield showed him striking a motorist 11 times following a foot chase. The June 23 incident sparked widespread objection to the use of flashlights as weapons.

Where is the widespread objection to criminals running....?

11 posted on 12/15/2004 12:33:18 PM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: Lazamataz

It's a safety device. Lets you see what you're hitting.


12 posted on 12/15/2004 12:33:32 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Rodney King

How do you feel about this?


13 posted on 12/15/2004 12:33:37 PM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: Lazamataz

So I take it flashlight beatings can only be conducted curbside? Wonder if the gutter counts.


14 posted on 12/15/2004 12:34:06 PM PST by A Navy Vet (CARE PACKAGES for our TROOPS: www.opgratitude.com)
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To: Lazamataz
6-D cell mag-foo on your noggin ain't no joke.

Mag lites are considered a tactical weapon. Keep one within reach.

15 posted on 12/15/2004 12:34:11 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Lazamataz

Personally, I'd like to see the headline "LAPD Plan to Double Flashlight Beatings."


16 posted on 12/15/2004 12:34:11 PM PST by LanPB01
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To: flashbunny
Wait this one is much better...


17 posted on 12/15/2004 12:34:11 PM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Lazamataz

Well, on the one hand it's a good thing, on the other hand it will be harder for certain people to sue the city.


18 posted on 12/15/2004 12:34:15 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along)
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To: OXENinFLA

needs to be in tactical black...


19 posted on 12/15/2004 12:34:50 PM PST by flashbunny (Every thought that enters my head requires its own vanity thread.)
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To: Lazamataz

Outlaw flashlights and only outlaws will have...well, you know.


21 posted on 12/15/2004 12:36:20 PM PST by TheBigB (Smartass remarks $5.00...with extra pithiness $2.00 more!)
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To: stainlessbanner

22 posted on 12/15/2004 12:37:50 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Never underestimate the power of a cacophony of Cowbells played in unison...It shocks the mind.)
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To: TheBigB

< obligatory > 3-day cooling off period for flashlites


23 posted on 12/15/2004 12:38:03 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Lazamataz
EEeeeeeevil flashlights! There oughtta be a law!

Confiscate them all!

24 posted on 12/15/2004 12:38:10 PM PST by TChris (Most people's capability for inference is severely overestimated)
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To: Lazamataz

Who are beating the flashlights and why are they doing it?


25 posted on 12/15/2004 12:38:33 PM PST by aomagrat (Where weapons are not allowed, it is best to carry weapons.)
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To: K4Harty
<---This is the "Thumper"
26 posted on 12/15/2004 12:38:58 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Never underestimate the power of a cacophony of Cowbells played in unison...It shocks the mind.)
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To: stainlessbanner

These are obviously ASSAULT flashlights!


27 posted on 12/15/2004 12:39:02 PM PST by TheBigB (Smartass remarks $5.00...with extra pithiness $2.00 more!)
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To: Lazamataz

What's wrong with letting the criminal "See the Light" (and then see stars)?


28 posted on 12/15/2004 12:40:00 PM PST by YouPosting2Me
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To: Lazamataz

An exchange I had while working in corrections:

Citizen: Is that a Club?

Slim: No, it's a Baton.

Citizen: What do you do with it?

Slim: I club people.


29 posted on 12/15/2004 12:40:37 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (I'm here because I'm not all there.)
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To: Lazamataz

We need to pass some Flashlight Control legislation, right now!


30 posted on 12/15/2004 12:40:42 PM PST by Ryan Spock
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To: aomagrat
And What did Bush know and when did he know it? /sarcasm
31 posted on 12/15/2004 12:40:58 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Never underestimate the power of a cacophony of Cowbells played in unison...It shocks the mind.)
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To: Lazamataz
Nerf bullets.

Already been done. Now the LAPD just needs to procure a few!


32 posted on 12/15/2004 12:41:01 PM PST by TChris (Most people's capability for inference is severely overestimated)
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To: Lazamataz

The very reason why cops hold their six "D" cell MAG-LITEs by the front with the handle on their shoulder while you look for your license is so if you make one false move they can crack your skull with it. This is common knowledge told to me by a cop.


33 posted on 12/15/2004 12:41:16 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Culture_Values_Morality
The NEW L.A.P.D. Tactical Arrest Gear (TAG)...


34 posted on 12/15/2004 12:41:51 PM PST by Hatteras
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To: K4Harty; TheBigB; Lazamataz; Tijeras_Slim

"When did you stop beating your flashlight?"


35 posted on 12/15/2004 12:43:38 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Lazamataz
Sheeesh, they could ruin the flashlight.

They should stick to using their hardened nightsticks, that's what they were desiged for.

36 posted on 12/15/2004 12:45:00 PM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: Lazamataz

I bet the LAPD only beats the black flashlights. They gotta stop beating up the poor flashlights!

I hope the NAAFL can shed some light on this sore subject. (National Aassociation for the Advancement of Flashlights


37 posted on 12/15/2004 12:45:23 PM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Stay safe in the "sandbox" Greg!)
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To: stainlessbanner
Bill Clinton model...


38 posted on 12/15/2004 12:47:12 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (I'm here because I'm not all there.)
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To: stainlessbanner

We got trained in USCG LEO school how to use a maglite as effectively as possible to make a suspect compliant.


39 posted on 12/15/2004 12:47:16 PM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Stay safe in the "sandbox" Greg!)
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To: K4Harty

Dang, as the Greaseman would say, a good thorough application of that 6-Cell and the perp will be spittin' chiclets...


40 posted on 12/15/2004 12:47:35 PM PST by Hatteras
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To: Lazamataz

The beatings will continue until morale improves...


41 posted on 12/15/2004 12:48:19 PM PST by mhking
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To: Tijeras_Slim

The flashlights we were issued came with several lenses. One was a white opaque lens. My chief asked what it was for, so I told him it was for blind people. He never got it.


42 posted on 12/15/2004 12:49:04 PM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Stay safe in the "sandbox" Greg!)
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To: Lazamataz

I thought that was the purpose of those big mags. Everybody I know who has one (including myself) considers them a tool of self defense. The light projection is just a bonus feature.


43 posted on 12/15/2004 12:49:14 PM PST by discostu (mime is money)
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To: Lazamataz

Substitute "9MM Ruger" for "flashlight" in the article...it's even funnier.


44 posted on 12/15/2004 12:50:38 PM PST by rightinthemiddle (Free Speech is a Right. Being Wrong is Just Wrong.)
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To: Lazamataz
At the time of the Miller incident, the LAPD had no formal policy on proper use of a flashlight to subdue a suspect.

Formal policy on proper use? Like a Standing Operating Procedure?

1) Shine flashlight into suspect's eyes while chanting "Go toward the light, go toward the light" in a slow, calming voice.

2) Continue this until suspect enters a semi-trance state, then give the signal to your partner or other officer on the scene.

3) Upon receiving the signal, the partner or assistant will find the nearest blunt object and strike the suspect repeatedly (may we suggest a flashlight for this task?)

45 posted on 12/15/2004 12:50:54 PM PST by Ryan Spock
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To: Fierce Allegiance
That would be the NAACF - because if you noticed, all the flashlights being used are umm...non-white. There might be a racial side to this story we are not getting from the media. /sarcasm
46 posted on 12/15/2004 12:52:25 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Never underestimate the power of a cacophony of Cowbells played in unison...It shocks the mind.)
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To: Lazamataz
Dude, this is too funny. I am in Holiday Hell right now, and this made me laugh for the first time today.

And I'm with you . . . it's about damn time this burning issue was addressed.
47 posted on 12/15/2004 12:53:18 PM PST by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: Xenalyte
I am in Holiday Hell right now...

Hey, we should get together and hang out! I'm staying at the Holiday Purgatory just down the street!

48 posted on 12/15/2004 12:55:43 PM PST by Ryan Spock
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To: Lazamataz

I hope the rubber flashlights are pink.

They would go nicely with plastic handguns and sneakers.

Builds esprit d'corps, doncha know. Gangs, beware.


49 posted on 12/15/2004 12:58:06 PM PST by PoorMuttly ("The right of the People to be Muttly shall not be infringed,")
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To: Lazamataz

The new plan will limit the number of flashlight beating that each officer can administer. Officers with more time on the force can of course beat more people with a flashlight than a new recruit.

We are hoping to decrease flashlight beatings by 10%.


lol


50 posted on 12/15/2004 12:59:15 PM PST by stockpirate (Check out my homepage and learn about sKerry and his Socialist friends.)
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