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Cheating suspected in vote
Washington Times ^ | 12/16/04 | Ralph Z. Hallow

Posted on 12/15/2004 10:55:11 PM PST by kattracks

Republicans in Washington state suspect Democrats, with 500 patronage jobs at risk, are cheating in what is now the unprecedented third counting of the 2,883,341 ballots cast in the Nov. 2 election for governor.
    In the current hand recount, Democrats keep discovering untabulated ballots. The state's Republicans, who thought they had elected Dino Rossi as the first Republican governor in 20 years, are furious.
    State Republican Party Chairman Chris Vance says he can't decide whether Democrat officials in heavily Democratic King County — where uncounted or improperly discarded ballots keep popping up — are "colossally incompetent or completely corrupt."

 "This is the third time King County has added numbers to the pool," says Rossi spokeswoman Mary Lane. She said that two days before officials were to certify the election, King County announced it had 10,000 more ballots than it had originally thought.


    During a machine recount, King County announced it had found more than 1,000 additional ballots. Then, on the morning that the state Supreme Court was due to hear oral arguments in a lawsuit over the disputed election, King County said it discovered 561 ballots that had been improperly thrown out. Officials in the Democrat-dominated county later turned up two more batches of ballots in the bottom of boxes.
    "It's a troubling pattern," Miss Lane says.


    The King County Canvassing Board yesterday voted 2-1 to begin the process of verifying the ballots.


    Republicans in the state say they see a parallel to the 2000 Florida presidential election recount, when most of the disputed ballots were in heavily Democratic counties overseen by Democratic election officials.


(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: dinorossi; lane; marummy; mary; marylane; ralphzhallow; votefraud

1 posted on 12/15/2004 10:55:11 PM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks

And if 561 isn't enough, they'll find more "votes" in some closet or desk drawer.


2 posted on 12/15/2004 10:57:17 PM PST by nj26
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To: nj26
And if 561 isn't enough, they'll find more "votes" in some closet or desk drawer.

Count on it. Then, in the next election, we'll see if Washingtonians are really that dumb to take it laying down.
3 posted on 12/15/2004 11:00:08 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: nj26

Oh gee, look at this pile of votes I just stepped in!


4 posted on 12/15/2004 11:01:17 PM PST by this_ol_patriot
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To: Chad Fairbanks; Publius; CyberCowboy777; Libertina; Spanaway Lori; cmsgop

Going national ping.


5 posted on 12/15/2004 11:01:25 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Wannabe Princess)
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To: nj26
They're going to have to. Whatcom County came in with its manual recount, and even though this hippie university county went for Gregoire, six net votes were added to Dino Rossi's total!

I can't wait for the Pierce and Snohomish County totals. They almost always vote Rat. Practically everywhere Dino Rossi led, he has added net votes in the manual recount. With the size of the numbers in Pierce and Snohomish, he's bound to add at least a dozen apiece. The fraudmeisters in King have got to be having some sleepless nights.

6 posted on 12/15/2004 11:01:53 PM PST by hunter112 (Total victory, both in the USA and the Middle East!)
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To: kattracks
Why no "oopsies" in the Republican precincts?

Wouldn't Republicans be more likely to "misplace" ballots cast for Democrat candidates?

Why can't Democrat-appointed officials in Democrat-controlled precincts accurately keep track of every Democrat ballot on election day, so those ballots can be certified as Democrat votes and tabulated into final vote counts on election night?

I'm puzzled, confused, mystified.

I'm puzzled because I thought they were the party of the smart people.

(steely)

7 posted on 12/15/2004 11:05:48 PM PST by Steely Tom (Fortunately, fhe Bill of Rights doesn't include the word 'is'.)
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To: kattracks

Did the Seattle/King County elections people train in Albuquerque & Dona Anna Counties in New Mexico?

Maybe the County Clerk better check the trunk of her car one more time; she may have forgotten she has a couple more (stuffed) unopened ballot boxes in there.


8 posted on 12/15/2004 11:06:12 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: kattracks

This whole thing is win/win/win for us Repubs here in Washington. If Dino wins, we win. If Dino loses, Gregoire takes office with a huge stinky cloud around her and spends four years without credibility...another win, of sorts. Finally, if Dino loses, he comes back in two years and clobbers Maria Cantwell for US Senate!


9 posted on 12/15/2004 11:06:48 PM PST by poindexter
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To: kattracks

The Washington State Democratic Chairman cries, literally, in pubic and the Repubs are whiners? King County has "found" just enough ballots to possibly eke out a victory, and we are whiners? This from the county who, oops, forgot to send out the military ballots on time, and we are whiners? They want to count "found: ballots that were accidentally overlooked or misplaced as long as they are not the late-mailed military ballots? Puhleez! For anyone of us Washingtonians who care, this is an electoral nightmare.


10 posted on 12/15/2004 11:06:54 PM PST by lil varmint
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To: kattracks
Vance says he can't decide whether Democrat officials in heavily Democratic King County — where uncounted or improperly discarded ballots keep popping up — are "colossally incompetent or completely corrupt."

Hmmmmmm......"collossaly incompetent or completely corrupt?" Hmmmmmm....ALL OF THE ABOVE!

11 posted on 12/15/2004 11:11:18 PM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: lil varmint

Are you saying there are returned military absentee ballots, in hand, that they won't count because they were received late as a result of being sent out late? I hope you're saying that because someone must have some sort of legal claim as a result.


12 posted on 12/15/2004 11:24:40 PM PST by Swampmarine
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To: kattracks

The truth is the corrupt state attorney general and the DNC and the King County elections officials are as dirty as sin.

They have now 'found' 'mystery' ballots SEVEN TIMES since Rossi was elected.

These are the worst communist cheaters around. They are SCUM and I hope a book is written about this. They can call it "Christine Gregoire, corrupt attorney general and her 'rat minions steal an election through vote manufacturing."


13 posted on 12/15/2004 11:26:51 PM PST by sarah_f (Know Islam, Know Terror.)
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To: Swampmarine

Are you saying there are returned military absentee ballots, in hand, that they won't count because they were received late as a result of being sent out late?

That's a fact! Democrats want every vote counted as long as it has Gregoire's name circled AND isn't a military ballot.

A caller on talk radio in Seattle today, who said that he is one of the Democratic counters in King County, stated that people cannot fault the way the counting is taking place because it makes up for Florida 2000 and Ohio this year.
Please don't anyone raise the question of whether corruption is involved. It really is quite obvious.


14 posted on 12/15/2004 11:55:08 PM PST by taxesareforever
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To: kattracks
The election in Washington has been decided by the socialist/Marxist/communist/fascists. Votes can be made, counting is unnecessary. The rule of one party will rule the state. If you don't like that....you will be shot. Good bye democracy in Washington. You people that don't like it, move or go to a reeducation camp, or you will be shot.
15 posted on 12/16/2004 12:00:44 AM PST by timydnuc (I'll die on my feet before I'll live on my knees.)
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To: Swampmarine

Haven't heard of anyone pressing the issue. The King County Records & Elections folks basically said, "Gee, we're real sorry that those ballots went late & you were disenfranchised. We're trying to figure out what happened & fix the problem, but there's nothing we can do about you not getting your right to vote in this election."

From what I heard, the Court told these weasels that this is supposed to be a RECOUNT of previously counted ballots...NOT A RECANVASS. Thus, they were told, you cannot bring in ballots that were not in the original machine or hand counts. Sounds to me like the Court would have to reverse itself to allow these new "found" ballots, as well as 571 absentees that were originally set aside & not counted because the signatures could not be validated. Of course, that's not hard to imagine. King County could show Kerry a thing or two about flip-flopping.

Does anyone else see the irony here? Christine Gregoire was our Attorney General. Apparently, she has no problem standing by & witnessing overt fraud...so long as it works to her favor. Just another whore lawyer.


16 posted on 12/16/2004 12:04:51 AM PST by torqemada ("Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!")
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To: kattracks
Misplaced ballots are a common occurrence. From Florida 2000 and other disputed elections, I surmise that at least some of these ballots were slipped in by elections office employees so that they can be "discovered" and counted as if they were in the office all the time. Most of those ballots are probably otherwise valid but ought not to be counted because they were not turned in on time, while some ballots are cooked up by elections office employees.

The fundamental problem is that ballots are not treated with a level of security and accountability equivalent to say, the flow of dollar bills at the cash registers in Wal-Mart or in a bank. In addition, there is poor transparency and accountability in most elections offices. When an election is so close that a major office is on the line, the temptation to cheat is extraordinary and the normal level of security grossly inadequate.

Washington Republicans need to get angry and start "name and shame" efforts that slam local election officials and compliant judges as compromised and corrupt. A couple of dozen provocative roads signs on major thoroughfares, renewed and added to daily would have an impact. Well done "Burma Shave" style signs are especially effective because they can draw a lot of attention and allow extended messages.
17 posted on 12/16/2004 12:08:18 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

Yes, exactly. Stodgy comments to the media don't do the job. We have to get very creative, and very aggressive, NOW.


18 posted on 12/16/2004 12:11:41 AM PST by California Patriot
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To: poindexter
Finally, if Dino loses, he comes back in two years and clobbers Maria Cantwell for US Senate!

I don't know about that, unfortunately. 2 years is a long time in politics and a lot of people have short memories, so this whole unpleasant episode may become a distant memory for a good portion of the population. Also, too, while some of these left-leaning/liberal may be willing to vote for a republican, whether it's a rino or a true conservative, for strictly state office, they almost never will vote for one for statewide federal office (i.e., senator).

19 posted on 12/16/2004 12:24:35 AM PST by gop_gene
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To: gop_gene

Exactly. So many FReepers on these threads are indulging in baseless speculation. Thanks for this moment of mature perspective.


20 posted on 12/16/2004 12:28:36 AM PST by California Patriot
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To: kattracks
"colossally incompetent or completely corrupt."

Please. It's most definitely the latter.

21 posted on 12/16/2004 12:31:31 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: torqemada

Just seems to me the 571 are being counted because they claim it was an administrative error that kept them out of previous counts. If the late returned absentee ballots are also the result of an administrative error, why aren't they also being counted.


22 posted on 12/16/2004 12:42:28 AM PST by Swampmarine
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To: kattracks

I pray that the Demo's will be exposed as the cheaters and liars that they are!


23 posted on 12/16/2004 12:50:56 AM PST by myvoice
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To: kattracks
State Republican Party Chairman Chris Vance says he can't decide whether Democrat officials in heavily Democratic King County — where uncounted or improperly discarded ballots keep popping up — are "colossally incompetent or completely corrupt."

History has repeatedly shown that socialists/Marxists/leftists are BOTH "colossally incompetent AND completely corrupt" .... so why is Chris Vance confused???? Such is the very nature of socialism/communism. Consider the "father" of communism ... Karl Marx .... he completely blew TWO major inheritances .... and then demanded that someone else take care of him .... and this is the person that the left gets their ideas on economics from?????? What's wrong with THIS picture????

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24 posted on 12/16/2004 1:57:57 AM PST by Neil E. Wright (An oath is FOREVER)
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To: California Patriot
Unfortunately, in a crisis, Republican leaders tend to act like the middle class businessmen and professionals they so often are: careful, sober-minded, like insurance lawyers trying to defeat a claim or accountants justifying a disputed deduction. Good at their work, but with no appetite for a street fight.

On the other side, are union activists and thugs, plaintiff's lawyers, civil rights agitators, and inveterate leftists. Aggressive, even dishonest tactics come naturally to them, and they are shameless about it. They all too often roll Republicans as if they were prep students in crested blazers and penny loafers who had wandered into a bad neighborhood.
25 posted on 12/16/2004 3:00:16 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: Swampmarine; torqemada
The lawsuit that the Democrats lots to a UNANIMOUS state Supreme Court decision was to force all of the counties to reconsider every ballot. State law has a provision that allows local canvassing boards to "correct mistakes" and it is under that clause that the Dems are now seeking to count those magical "found" ballots.

It is my understanding that any county can now mine for votes the same way King County is, but it is up to each local canvassing board to decide to do it and then decide whether or not to accept any "found" votes. They have up until the date that this rerecount is certified to "amend" their totals. There are individual certifications done by each county and something like 33 of the 39 are already done. I don't know if they are allowed to go back after their county canvassing board certifies their total to now mine for more votes. It is very complicated.

Then there's the added complication that Gregoire and the Dems are paying for this recount. Can they refuse to pay Rossi counties for the extra labor it will take to go back and find votes like King County is?

I believe lurking in all of this we have the fact that King County had a judge that allowed the county elections officials to give the list of rejected ballots to the Dems who then went door-to-door asking only Gregoire voters to "correct" their ballot problems. A judge in another WA county that went heavily for Rossi did not allow this to happen.

Classic case waiting in the wings for Bush/Gore USSC ruling........

26 posted on 12/16/2004 4:49:58 AM PST by SW6906
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

Going national ping.


It's about time!


27 posted on 12/16/2004 7:24:19 AM PST by Just Lori (Before you can win the peace, you have to win the WAR!!!)
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To: Steely Tom

Wouldn't Republicans be more likely to "misplace" ballots cast for Democrat candidates?


No, we wouldn't. It's a matter of fairness and ethics and playing by the rules. In those areas, the Dems are bankrupt!


28 posted on 12/16/2004 7:26:22 AM PST by Just Lori (Before you can win the peace, you have to win the WAR!!!)
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29 posted on 12/16/2004 10:50:54 AM PST by CyberCowboy777 (Zip it Hippie! - http://www.casualconservative.com/)
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To: kattracks

DemoncRAPS cheat? My heavens! (Sarc)


30 posted on 12/16/2004 11:26:33 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: poindexter

There are 2 problems with your theory:

1. Gregoire will have both houses of the legislature. While she may not have public confedence, she'll be able to ram all kinds of things down our throat.

2. Can't-vote-well may have won by a tiny margin but now she's a good looking, incumbent Democrat woman in a Democrat state, not a weird looking, screeching bitch only psudo- incumbent. And Dino won the Governors office by talking about state issues and downplaying his conservative views on abortion and such. It would be much harder for him to win federal office.

We really need Dino to win this time around.


31 posted on 12/16/2004 12:09:06 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: Rockingham

Nail-on-the-head BUMP!


32 posted on 12/16/2004 2:35:52 PM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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To: Rockingham

Exactly right. We are wimps and we need to get tough.

The way to start is to get very, very angry -- so angry that we think more about what WE can do to THEM than
we whine about THEY are doing to US.


33 posted on 12/16/2004 3:46:03 PM PST by California Patriot
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To: Swampmarine

We're all asking the same question. Of course, I don't know how many military ballots were actually returned (late or otherwise). If I had been told that my ballot could not get back in time to be counted, I probably wouldn't even bother filling it out. Would you?


34 posted on 12/16/2004 4:09:23 PM PST by torqemada ("Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!")
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

BUMP LOLOL Getting our 15 minutes! ;)


35 posted on 12/16/2004 4:11:25 PM PST by Libertina (Dino Rossi WON the election TWICE!)
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To: Libertina

We all need to look under our Christmas trees and maybe, just maybe we can "find" some votes for Dino.


36 posted on 12/16/2004 8:28:50 PM PST by elder5 (Rossi Is Our Governor.....Well Maybe.....Someday)
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To: Libertina

We all need to look under our Christmas trees and maybe, just maybe we can "find" some votes for Dino.


37 posted on 12/16/2004 8:29:13 PM PST by elder5 (Rossi Is Our Governor.....Well Maybe.....Someday)
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To: elder5

LOL As long as we all are still voting, why not?


38 posted on 12/16/2004 10:09:31 PM PST by Libertina (Dino Rossi WON the election TWICE!)
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